Motorcyclist Dies On Ride Protesting Helmet Law In New York

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    Jul 03, 2011 11:24 PM GMT
    I'm sorry, but this is just stupid, and a symbolic tale for us all.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/motorcyclist-dies-helmet-protest_n_889427.html
    ONONDAGA, N.Y. -- Police say a motorcyclist participating in a protest ride against helmet laws in upstate New York died after he flipped over the bike's handlebars and hit his head on the pavement.

    The accident happened Saturday afternoon in the town of Onondaga, in central New York near Syracuse.

    State troopers tell The Post-Standard of Syracuse that 55-year-old Philip A. Contos of Parish, N.Y., was driving a 1983 Harley Davidson with a group of bikers who were protesting helmet laws by not wearing helmets.

    Troopers say Contos hit his brakes and the motorcycle fishtailed. The bike spun out of control, and Contos toppled over the handlebars. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.

    Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.
  • rnch

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    Jul 04, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    ahhhhh the irony....


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  • Webster666

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    Jul 04, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    I just read that. Thought it was funny.
    Steel usually beats pavement, but pavement always beats skull.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    This will be a "Darwin Award" nominee, no doubt. Sorry to hear about any loss of life though.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    Hmmm...how ironic, no? icon_neutral.gif

    All the more reason to wear a helmet. I have a bicycle and I wear a helmet every time I go out for a ride. It may not look cool, but I'd rather be uncool and be alive than be dead.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:41 AM GMT
    Columbusite777 saidHmmm...how ironic, no? icon_neutral.gif

    All the more reason to wear a helmet. I have a bicycle and I wear a helmet every time I go out for a ride. It may not look cool, but I'd rather be uncool and be alive than be dead.


    Well, motorcycles and bicycles are quite different beasts... and many studies will attest that helmet use [for bicyclists] can put the rider more in harm's way than an unhelmeted one.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:45 AM GMT
    I'm sorry to sound harsh but cmon this guy obviously weighed the risks and chose his position, and it backfired. You can't feel tooo bad for people who refuse to do the right thing then get caught.

    Just like Ryan from Jackass. Sure, it's sad he died, but he was drunk driving and wrecked, and it killed him. He was at fault. I only so much compassion for people who learn the hard way after being defiant and so damn stupid.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:50 AM GMT
    Care to quote those studies about bicycle helmets being bad?

    Ninety-one percent of bicyclists killed in 2008 reportedly weren't wearing helmets. Stats from 1994 to 2008 are remarkably consistent.
    http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm

    It's not so much the bicycle is high speed that needs a helmet, it's what might hit you that is going to cause you to fly towards that telephone pole and then to the pavement.

    Back to motorcycle mandatory helmet laws:
    http://www.safetylit.org/citations/index.php?fuseaction=citations.viewdetails&citationIds%5b%5d=citjournalarticle_83978_22
    Depending on the particular measure that is employed, states with universal helmet laws have motorcyclist fatality rates that are on average 22-33% lower in comparison to the experience with no helmet law. Additionally, partial coverage helmet laws are associated with reductions in motorcyclist fatality rates of 7-10%, on average.
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    Jul 04, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    Having had motorcycles since I could walk practically, I understand both sides of this issue. If you've never ridden a motorcycle without a helmet there's no way to understand the feeling of it. I don't think anyone thinks it's safe to ride without a helmet....it's more of an issue of the government telling us we have to wear one. I personally rarely rode without a helmet even when it was legal where I lived. Although it was nice to be able to make that decision for myself.
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    Jul 04, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidCare to quote those studies about bicycle helmets being bad?

    Ninety-one percent of bicyclists killed in 2008 reportedly weren't wearing helmets. Stats from 1994 to 2008 are remarkably consistent.
    http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm

    It's not so much the bicycle is high speed that needs a helmet, it's what might hit you that is going to cause you to fly towards that telephone pole and then to the pavement.


    studies in which observers noticed drivers trailing helmeted bicyclists more closely - though it did not result in more accidents during the test period; just a greater likelihood for accidents. i'm not against helmet use for bicyclists [i wore a helmet continuously for 5 years before this one]: but accident statistics in europe show a completely different story than north america; while, enforced helmet use leads to lower cycling rates and paradoxically, higher accident rates in such countries as new zealand.

    i'm just remembering these studies off the top of my head from a bike message board, so i'll have to check the sources myself in a bit..
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    Jul 04, 2011 3:03 AM GMT
    It's called unnatural selection. The government is trying to stop the weeding out of fools, especially when money is concerned--money better spent on other things than hospital costs. icon_lol.gif

    Same thing goes for things like vaccine laws and graphic smoking packaging:
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    Jul 04, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Let's hope the bikers aren't stubborn and start wearing their helmets.
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    q1w2e3 saidCare to quote those studies about bicycle helmets being bad?

    Ninety-one percent of bicyclists killed in 2008 reportedly weren't wearing helmets. Stats from 1994 to 2008 are remarkably consistent.
    http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm

    It's not so much the bicycle is high speed that needs a helmet, it's what might hit you that is going to cause you to fly towards that telephone pole and then to the pavement.


    studies in which observers noticed drivers trailing helmeted bicyclists more closely - though it did not result in more accidents during the test period; just a greater likelihood for accidents. i'm not against helmet use for bicyclists [i wore a helmet continuously for 5 years before this one]: but accident statistics in europe show a completely different story than north america; while, enforced helmet use leads to lower cycling rates and paradoxically, higher accident rates in such countries as new zealand.

    i'm just remembering these studies off the top of my head from a bike message board, so i'll have to check the sources myself in a bit..


    But it's not the effect of the helmets on mortality due to closed head injuries that's in question--it's their unintended effect on the biker's behavior that's questionable. E.g. bikers might think that the helmet will protect them much more than it will, and take unnecessary risks. Wearing helmets while biking drunk is still more dangerous than wearing helmets while not biking drunk.

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    Jul 04, 2011 9:23 AM GMT
    In theory, I understand the sentiment. But a few facts are unappreciated, or unaccounted for.

    One is that after a helmetless biker crashes, some poor slob has to hose his brains off the pavement. To me that doesn't seem quite fair, unless the biker's insurance provides a bonus check to the clean-up crew.
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    Jul 04, 2011 9:38 AM GMT
    It's just very sad to me that some people feel the necessity to protest mandates like these where the intentions behind them are entirely out of safety concerns. It was a stupid thing for this guy to do, yes, but his death is all the same very serious... icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 04, 2011 10:44 AM GMT
    metatextual said
    Columbusite777 saidHmmm...how ironic, no? icon_neutral.gif

    All the more reason to wear a helmet. I have a bicycle and I wear a helmet every time I go out for a ride. It may not look cool, but I'd rather be uncool and be alive than be dead.


    Well, motorcycles and bicycles are quite different beasts... and many studies will attest that helmet use [for bicyclists] can put the rider more in harm's way than an unhelmeted one.


    I think you're referring to a study that Wikipedia (not a source I'd feel comfortable citing) referenced as:

    "One small study from England found that vehicles passed a helmeted cyclist with measurably less clearance (8.5 cm) than that given to the same cyclist unhelmeted (out of an average total passing distance of 1.2 to 1.3 metres).[66]" The footnote 66 referenced is ^ "Walker, Ian (2007). "Drivers overtaking bicyclists: Objective data on the effects of riding position, helmet use, vehicle type and apparent gender". Accident Analysis & Prevention 39 (2): 417–425. doi:10.1016/j.aap.2006.08.010. http://www.drianwalker.com/overtaking/overtakingprobrief.pdf".

    Quoting one "small study" as evidence that a bicyclist shouldn't wear a helmet is pretty ridiculous. Even if we accept this "one small study", the difference cited is 8.5 cm or 3.3 inches.

    And if I feel strongly about this, here's why:
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    The helmet on the right is the one I used in the 2009 Tour de Palm Springs.
    See the huge dent in the shell? That's the dent that would've been in my skull when I hit the asphalt doing 22 mph.

    It's nearly certain that at the speed and angle I hit the pavement that there would've been significant head trauma had I not been wearing my helmet.

    So, yeah, don't quote one small study to contradict endless other larger ones and expect it to fly - especially when some of us don't need a study. We've lived the 'research' in real life.
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    Jul 04, 2011 11:17 AM GMT
    All motorcyclists should be wearing helmets. They may think their driving is the best and they won't crash, but a drunk driver rammed into my dad and killed him, he had a helmet on and still died. This guy who died wearing no helmet is proof that there shouldn't be such a law allowing no helmet.
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    Jul 04, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
    I know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet. I think it should be their choice. Not local, state or federal govt's. I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens. I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to. Had many wipe-outs too. But when off my property? No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt. I wear them when I want to. (Usually in bad weather) But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts? Absolutely. But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%. Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet." Of course they would say that at this protetst rally. Give me a break.

    -Tristan
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    Jul 04, 2011 12:19 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet. I think it should be their choice. Not local, state or federal govt's. I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens. I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to. Had many wipe-outs too. But when off my property? No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt. I wear them when I want to. (Usually in bad weather) But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts? Absolutely. But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%. Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet." Of course they would say that at this protetst rally. Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones.

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.
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    Jul 04, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
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    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet. I think it should be their choice. Not local, state or federal govt's. I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens. I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to. Had many wipe-outs too. But when off my property? No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt. I wear them when I want to. (Usually in bad weather) But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts? Absolutely. But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%. Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet." Of course they would say that at this protetst rally. Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones.

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power. They are not doing us a favor.
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing. Selfish? Hardly. All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do. It's my bed (or grave) that I make.

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit. You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan
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    Jul 04, 2011 12:42 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet.  I think it should be their choice.  Not local, state or federal govt's.   I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens.  I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to.  Had many wipe-outs too.  But when off my property?  No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt.  I wear them when I want to.  (Usually in bad weather)  But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts?  Absolutely.  But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%.  Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet."   Of course they would say that at this protetst rally.  Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones. 

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power.  They are not doing us a favor.  
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing.  Selfish?  Hardly.  All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do.  It's my bed (or grave) that I make. 

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit.  You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan


    Funny, you failed to comment on my paralysis comment. And the fact that i'm getting personal with you is due to my dad losing his life in a motorcycle accident so I know first hand how it feels to lose someone. Whether your family and friends know you're not using a helmet doesn't change the fact that they'll grieve if you die. And your stupid mistake will cost them. How isn't that ignorant? Why don't you set up a new bank account with money to cover a funeral for yourself if something happens, god forbid. Because if you die, youre leaving your family to pay for all that.
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    Jul 04, 2011 12:56 PM GMT
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet.  I think it should be their choice.  Not local, state or federal govt's.   I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens.  I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to.  Had many wipe-outs too.  But when off my property?  No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt.  I wear them when I want to.  (Usually in bad weather)  But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts?  Absolutely.  But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%.  Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet."   Of course they would say that at this protetst rally.  Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones. 

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power.  They are not doing us a favor.  
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing.  Selfish?  Hardly.  All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do.  It's my bed (or grave) that I make. 

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit.  You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan


    Funny, you failed to comment on my paralysis comment. And the fact that i'm getting personal with you is due to my dad losing his life in a motorcycle accident so I know first hand how it feels to lose someone. Whether your family and friends know you're not using a helmet doesn't change the fact that they'll grieve if you die. And your stupid mistake will cost them. How isn't that ignorant? Why don't you set up a new bank account with money to cover a funeral for yourself if something happens, god forbid. Because if you die, youre leaving your family to pay for all that.


    I didn't fail to comment on your paralysis comment. I didn't, because it's not important to me. It's your personal, first hand issue, is yours and yours alone. Could care less honestly. (Curious, was dear old dad wearing a helmet? icon_confused.gif )
    We have all lost people in our lives. Lost a cousin in a car accident. Was he wearing a seatbelt? No. We all make choices in life good or bad.
    As I did say earlier, it is 100% safer to wear a helmet or seatbelt that's a fact. But it should be the individual's right to choose.

    Financially speaking money would not be a problem. All ready have the living will and the DNR on file. But thanks for your concern.

    Tirstan
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    Jul 04, 2011 1:04 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet.  I think it should be their choice.  Not local, state or federal govt's.   I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens.  I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to.  Had many wipe-outs too.  But when off my property?  No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt.  I wear them when I want to.  (Usually in bad weather)  But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts?  Absolutely.  But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%.  Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet."   Of course they would say that at this protetst rally.  Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones. 

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power.  They are not doing us a favor.  
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing.  Selfish?  Hardly.  All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do.  It's my bed (or grave) that I make. 

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit.  You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan


    Funny, you failed to comment on my paralysis comment. And the fact that i'm getting personal with you is due to my dad losing his life in a motorcycle accident so I know first hand how it feels to lose someone. Whether your family and friends know you're not using a helmet doesn't change the fact that they'll grieve if you die. And your stupid mistake will cost them. How isn't that ignorant? Why don't you set up a new bank account with money to cover a funeral for yourself if something happens, god forbid. Because if you die, youre leaving your family to pay for all that.


    I didn't fail to comment on your paralysis comment.  I didn't, because it's not important to me.  It's your personal, first hand issue, is yours and yours alone.  Could care less honestly. (Curious, was dear old dad wearing a helmet? icon_confused.gif )
    We have all lost people in our lives.  Lost a cousin in a car accident.  Was he wearing a seatbelt?  No.  We all make choices in life good or bad.    
    As I did say earlier, it is 100% safer to wear a helmet or seatbelt that's a fact.  But it should be the individual's right to choose.

    Financially speaking money would not be a problem.  All ready have the living will and the DNR on file.  But thanks for your concern.

    Tirstan


    I guess you're all for suicide? If your parents were trying to commit suicide, you'd allow them to, right? Because it's their choice. 

    Drunk driving. Also an individuals choice, correct? If they spin out of control and hit a couple people, they had the right. Am I correct?

    Dear old dad? Don't fucking mock me. He died young, so fuck off. And yes, he was wearing a helmet. He was killed by a drunk driver. He died from blood loss, not a head injury. 
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    TheKrisPandemic said
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    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet.  I think it should be their choice.  Not local, state or federal govt's.   I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens.  I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to.  Had many wipe-outs too.  But when off my property?  No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt.  I wear them when I want to.  (Usually in bad weather)  But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts?  Absolutely.  But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%.  Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet."   Of course they would say that at this protetst rally.  Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones. 

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power.  They are not doing us a favor.  
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing.  Selfish?  Hardly.  All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do.  It's my bed (or grave) that I make. 

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit.  You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan


    Funny, you failed to comment on my paralysis comment. And the fact that i'm getting personal with you is due to my dad losing his life in a motorcycle accident so I know first hand how it feels to lose someone. Whether your family and friends know you're not using a helmet doesn't change the fact that they'll grieve if you die. And your stupid mistake will cost them. How isn't that ignorant? Why don't you set up a new bank account with money to cover a funeral for yourself if something happens, god forbid. Because if you die, youre leaving your family to pay for all that.


    I didn't fail to comment on your paralysis comment.  I didn't, because it's not important to me.  It's your personal, first hand issue, is yours and yours alone.  Could care less honestly. (Curious, was dear old dad wearing a helmet? icon_confused.gif )
    We have all lost people in our lives.  Lost a cousin in a car accident.  Was he wearing a seatbelt?  No.  We all make choices in life good or bad.    
    As I did say earlier, it is 100% safer to wear a helmet or seatbelt that's a fact.  But it should be the individual's right to choose.

    Financially speaking money would not be a problem.  All ready have the living will and the DNR on file.  But thanks for your concern.

    Tirstan


    I guess you're all for suicide? If your parents were trying to commit suicide, you'd allow them to, right? Because it's their choice. 

    Drunk driving. Also an individuals choice, correct? If they spin out of control and hit a couple people, they had the right. Am I correct?

    Dear old dad? Don't fucking mock me. He died young, so fuck off. And yes, he was wearing a helmet. He was killed by a drunk driver. He died from blood loss, not a head injury. 


    Now you are really stretching it here...LOL!

    Suicide? Abosolutely for it. If my parents wanted to do that? Of course I would try to convince them out of it. But ultimately it's their choice. As it should be everyone's.

    Drunk driving? Don't be "ignorant" as you like to say. That puts others in danger so there HAS TO BE A LAW against it. A car in the hands of a drunk driver is the same as a loaded gun.

    Well thank goodness dear old/young dad was wearing his helmet. icon_wink.gif

    Have a safe and happy day! icon_cool.gif
    Tristan
    -remember you made this personal. icon_wink.gif
  • Neurons

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    Jul 04, 2011 1:17 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 said
    TheKrisPandemic said
    musclefetish1 saidI know many here will think this is stupid....but I agree with people protesting having to wear the helmet.  I think it should be their choice.  Not local, state or federal govt's.   I have had dirtbikes all through out my teens.  I always wore a helmet when on my own property because it was my choice to.  Had many wipe-outs too.  But when off my property?  No helmet.
    I don't always put on a seatbelt.  I wear them when I want to.  (Usually in bad weather)  But the second I see a cop, I take it off.

    Do I think it's 100% safer to wear helmets and seatbelts?  Absolutely.  But no one has the right to tell me that I HAVE to wear them on/in a vehicle that I have bought and paid for and own 100%.  Me not wearing a seatbelt, or someone not wearing a helmet harms no one but that person.

    This article for example, quoting the cops as saying, ".....Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet."   Of course they would say that at this protetst rally.  Give me a break.

    -Tristan


    The state gives you the right to use the vehicles. They give you the license and they have the right to inforce the laws as they please. Especially a helmet law. Don't like it? Then you dont have to use the privilege. It's not only ignorant to not wear it, but its also selfish to your friends and loved ones. 

    So that ignorant statement that says it hurts no one but you is complete bullshit.

    What happens if you crash? You die, right? Well what if you don't? What if you become paralyzed from the neck down? It'll be your family and others who take care of you. You're not going to be able to do it alone.


    Well WE give the state that power.  They are not doing us a favor.  
    Unless it's a gov't vehicle or a company vehicle, no one should be able to tell me what I should or shouldn't be wearing.  Selfish?  Hardly.  All my friends and family know how I feel and know what I do.  It's my bed (or grave) that I make. 

    You are entitled to your opinion, and me to mine.

    It's not an ignorant statement, and it's not bullshit.  You getting personal with me, however, is bullshit toughguy.

    Tristan


    Funny, you failed to comment on my paralysis comment. And the fact that i'm getting personal with you is due to my dad losing his life in a motorcycle accident so I know first hand how it feels to lose someone. Whether your family and friends know you're not using a helmet doesn't change the fact that they'll grieve if you die. And your stupid mistake will cost them. How isn't that ignorant? Why don't you set up a new bank account with money to cover a funeral for yourself if something happens, god forbid. Because if you die, youre leaving your family to pay for all that.


    I didn't fail to comment on your paralysis comment.  I didn't, because it's not important to me.  It's your personal, first hand issue, is yours and yours alone.  Could care less honestly. (Curious, was dear old dad wearing a helmet? icon_confused.gif )
    We have all lost people in our lives.  Lost a cousin in a car accident.  Was he wearing a seatbelt?  No.  We all make choices in life good or bad.    
    As I did say earlier, it is 100% safer to wear a helmet or seatbelt that's a fact.  But it should be the individual's right to choose.

    Financially speaking money would not be a problem.  All ready have the living will and the DNR on file.  But thanks for your concern.

    Tirstan


    I guess you're all for suicide? If your parents were trying to commit suicide, you'd allow them to, right? Because it's their choice. 

    Drunk driving. Also an individuals choice, correct? If they spin out of control and hit a couple people, they had the right. Am I correct?

    Dear old dad? Don't fucking mock me. He died young, so fuck off. And yes, he was wearing a helmet. He was killed by a drunk driver. He died from blood loss, not a head injury. 


    Now you are really stretching it here...LOL!

    Suicide?  Abosolutely for it.  If my parents wanted to do that?  Of course I would try to convince them out of it.  But ultimately it's their choice.  As it should be everyone's.

    Drunk driving?  Don't be "ignorant" as you like to say.  That puts others in danger so there HAS TO BE A LAW against it.  A car in the hands of a drunk driver is the same as a loaded gun.  

    Well thank goodness dear old/young dad was wearing  his helmet. icon_wink.gif

    Have a safe and happy day!  icon_cool.gif
    Tristan


    You're obviously fucked up so I'm done. Au revoir, imbecile.