British Muslims more proud of gay rights than secular peers, poll claims

  • metta

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    Jul 04, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
    British Muslims more proud of gay rights than secular peers, poll claims

    http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/5646/4/07/2011/british-muslims-more-proud-of-gay-rights-than-secular-peers-poll-claims.aspx
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    Jul 05, 2011 2:24 AM GMT

    Good to hear.

    Let's hope it spreads throughout the Islamic world and the world in general.

    Riyadh pride 2012- here we come!!

    Maybe Qatar could introduce gay marriage to coincide with the World Cup?
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    Jul 05, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    tanlejos said
    Good to hear.

    Let's hope it spreads throughout the Islamic world and the world in general.

    Riyadh pride 2012- here we come!!

    Maybe Qatar could introduce gay marriage to coincide with the World Cup?


    Let's not get too excited.The keyword here is "British"
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    Jul 06, 2011 2:00 AM GMT
    Like the old saying goes... "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." This topic and this article are so misleading. If you took the time to read the print, you'd know that poll wasn't asking if the participants were "proud of gay rights" but rather if they were "proud of the way Britain treats gays." This could be interpreted a number of ways. A participant *could* read this question and think along the lines of, 'Yes, I am proud that England allows gay men and women to adopt children and serve in the military' or they could just as easily think about the recent rash of gay-bashings in London or the fact that gays cannot legally marry. With that level of ambiguity, there is no way the outcome could not be skewed. The fact that 15% of Muslims polled answered "strongly agree" does in no way, shape, or form suggest they are more accepting than their secular counterparts, and common sense would tell you that claim could never be true. This is irresponsible journalism and a poorly designed poll. My guess is whoever conducted this research had an agenda.
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    Jul 06, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    @Kevin_Boring:

    I dont think you can say anything until the actual report is published. Until then your opinions are just that... opinions and speculation icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 06, 2011 3:06 AM GMT
    No need to wait. Looks like my bullshit detector is working just fine.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100094274/new-poll-shows-that-the-multicultural-utopia-is-finally-within-reach-or-not/

    Highlights:

    "Just one problem: the poll was gathered from a “weighted sample of 2,086 British citizens”, in the words of Demos, which means that, as one of the commenters on the Liberal Conspiracy site pointed out, they asked just 11 Buddhists,
 12 Sikhs, 19 Hindus, 
16 Jews and 47 Muslims. Just 47 people – that’s smaller than the average Valentine’s Day press release-cum-public survey “proving” that women prefer chocolates to flowers."

    and

    "The YouGov poll was funded by the Runnymede Trust, the well-supported think tank that coined the word “Islamophobia”, and which still openly believes in multiculturalism."

    Like I said, irresponsible journalism.
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    Jul 06, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    Kevin_Boring saidNo need to wait. Looks like my bullshit detector is working just fine.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100094274/new-poll-shows-that-the-multicultural-utopia-is-finally-within-reach-or-not/

    Highlights:

    "Just one problem: the poll was gathered from a “weighted sample of 2,086 British citizens”, in the words of Demos, which means that, as one of the commenters on the Liberal Conspiracy site pointed out, they asked just 11 Buddhists,
 12 Sikhs, 19 Hindus, 
16 Jews and 47 Muslims. Just 47 people – that’s smaller than the average Valentine’s Day press release-cum-public survey “proving” that women prefer chocolates to flowers."

    and

    "The YouGov poll was funded by the Runnymede Trust, the well-supported think tank that coined the word “Islamophobia”, and which still openly believes in multiculturalism."

    Like I said, irresponsible journalism.


    You just gave me an intellectual boner if that's possible.
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    Jul 06, 2011 6:38 AM GMT
    Kevin_Boring saidLike the old saying goes... "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." This topic and this article are so misleading. If you took the time to read the print, you'd know that poll wasn't asking if the participants were "proud of gay rights" but rather if they were "proud of the way Britain treats gays." This could be interpreted a number of ways. A participant *could* read this question and think along the lines of, 'Yes, I am proud that England allows gay men and women to adopt children and serve in the military' or they could just as easily think about the recent rash of gay-bashings in London or the fact that gays cannot legally marry. With that level of ambiguity, there is no way the outcome could not be skewed. The fact that 15% of Muslims polled answered "strongly agree" does in no way, shape, or form suggest they are more accepting than their secular counterparts, and common sense would tell you that claim could never be true. This is irresponsible journalism and a poorly designed poll. My guess is whoever conducted this research had an agenda.



    That!
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    Jul 06, 2011 12:17 PM GMT
    Kevin_Boring saidNo need to wait. Looks like my bullshit detector is working just fine.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100094274/new-poll-shows-that-the-multicultural-utopia-is-finally-within-reach-or-not/

    Highlights:

    "Just one problem: the poll was gathered from a “weighted sample of 2,086 British citizens”, in the words of Demos, which means that, as one of the commenters on the Liberal Conspiracy site pointed out, they asked just 11 Buddhists,
 12 Sikhs, 19 Hindus, 
16 Jews and 47 Muslims. Just 47 people – that’s smaller than the average Valentine’s Day press release-cum-public survey “proving” that women prefer chocolates to flowers."

    and

    "The YouGov poll was funded by the Runnymede Trust, the well-supported think tank that coined the word “Islamophobia”, and which still openly believes in multiculturalism."

    Like I said, irresponsible journalism.


    Thanks for researching this and setting it clear!
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    Jul 06, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    Kevin_Boring saidLike the old saying goes... "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." This topic and this article are so misleading. If you took the time to read the print, you'd know that poll wasn't asking if the participants were "proud of gay rights" but rather if they were "proud of the way Britain treats gays." This could be interpreted a number of ways. A participant *could* read this question and think along the lines of, 'Yes, I am proud that England allows gay men and women to adopt children and serve in the military' or they could just as easily think about the recent rash of gay-bashings in London or the fact that gays cannot legally marry. With that level of ambiguity, there is no way the outcome could not be skewed. The fact that 15% of Muslims polled answered "strongly agree" does in no way, shape, or form suggest they are more accepting than their secular counterparts, and common sense would tell you that claim could never be true. This is irresponsible journalism and a poorly designed poll. My guess is whoever conducted this research had an agenda.


    While I would agree, I would observe that the Telegraph certainly has an agenda of its own.
  • Jimmy201001

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    Jul 07, 2011 2:35 AM GMT
    I suppose these Muslims may include those who have fled from Islamic states for a better life in the UK. However make no mistake, attitudes to homosexuality in the Muslim religion have barely changed - just look at the recent spate of anti-gay slogans being printed in tube stations in east London recently (and thankfully justice has been made for these hate criminals)
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    Jul 07, 2011 6:04 AM GMT
    hahahahah i read the articles that quantified the single study with an ambiguous question to 47 Muslims.
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    Jul 07, 2011 6:14 AM GMT
    Meanwhile the first ever gay pride parade, sponsored by the US, didn't go over well in Pakistan:

    http://www.albawaba.com/us-commits-cultural-terrorism-sponsoring-gay-pride-event-pakistan-381751