Pros and Cons of San Diego and Portland,OR

  • ART67

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    Jul 04, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
    Moving to an undecided location in 2-3 years and San Diego and Portland,OR are in the running. What are the pros and cons of living in each?
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    Jul 04, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    Pros: There are gay people in both places.
    Cons: Both are fucking cold as fuck in the winter.
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    Jul 04, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    There's more variety in San Diego, in terms of people, culture, and things to do. Plus, sunny/clear weather for most of the year. I haven't been to Portland, but I hear it's great for outdoor enthusiasts. Plus, cost of living is really cheap. But weather is pretty blah.
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    Jul 04, 2011 10:38 PM GMT
    San Diego is expensive, but the weather here is pretty much as perfect as it gets on planet Earth.
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    Jul 04, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidSan Diego is expensive, but the weather here is pretty much as perfect as it gets on planet Earth.


    I think you meant Honolulu? lol

    Yeah I've been to San Diego and I thought the weather is nice. Too cold for beach though on winter months still. I was there in November and it was only in the 60s. I brought swim trunks for nothing icon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif
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    Jul 04, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    cityaznguy said
    Ariodante saidSan Diego is expensive, but the weather here is pretty much as perfect as it gets on planet Earth.


    I think you meant Honolulu? lol

    Yeah I've been to San Diego and I thought the weather is nice. Too cold for beach though on winter months still. I was there in November and it was only in the 60s. I brought swim trunks for nothing icon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif


    Everyone's perfect weather definition will vary. For me if it's hot enough for the water at the beach to be warm it's too hot for me. But if it's above 75 it's too hot for me icon_razz.gif And it's below 75 it's too cold. You'd think that'd be unfairly strict but I can pretty much get away with those unrealistic expectations here icon_biggrin.gif
  • ART67

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    Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    Thanks for the input guys. Just visited Oregon this summer. Loved it. I guess I really should test drive both locations(San Diego & OR) during the winter months just to get the full experience.
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    Sep 23, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
    Everyone in Portland looks like they're homeless.
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    Sep 23, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidPros: There are gay people in both places.
    Cons: Both are fucking cold as fuck in the winter.


    Paul, you have obviously never been to MI. icon_smile.gif Winter here does not even compare to San Diego. 50 degrees at night is NOT cold. I have been there about 15 times, and every month of the year. San Diego has perfect weather, though it is very expensive.
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    Sep 23, 2011 3:37 PM GMT


    Just MHO:

    SD pro: weather, diversity, people pretty friendly
    SD con: most everything is expensive, some hardcore social conservatives in SD county,traffic & urban sprawl

    PDX pro: strong indie scene, affordable housing, great transit and walkable neighborhoods
    PDX con: local economy has been weak for years..but in migration continues..competition for ANY job can be intense. Never ending drizzle from Nov to May gets old. traffic

    I love both places, its a tough call....but whichever one you decide, please make sure you have a job lined up before you go. Neither cities are the kind of places I would want to live without a source of income.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 23, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    The people in San Diego are gonna be WAY more attractive.
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    Never been to San Diego; to Portland many a times because it's in my backyard.

    Portland known for its ice storms in the winter where its so cold that the rain turns everything it touches into ice.

    Suggest visiting both cities it their crappiest season - does San Diego even have one? - and then decide.
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    The two cities appeal to completely different lifestyles. I loved living in Portland because it was amazing having both the metropolitan feel of PDX but natural wonders within fairly short driving distance. From my house I could see Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Hood, and it was a fairly short drive to them... or to the beautiful Columbia River Gorge. Or even a couple hours to the beach.

    Love Portland, and I always recommend it icon_smile.gif. Especially if you like being outdoorsy at all like I do.
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    From Portland here.
    One of the most beautiful places when its sunny.... unfourtunately it rains 50% of the year haha, sometimes for weeks nonstop.
    But if you are a fan of the active outdoor lifestyle you will feel right at home!

    Hipster bikers everywhere

    And yeah the whole area shuts down for about 2 weeks due to the ice storm
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    Sep 24, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    Recently escaped San Diego about 8 months ago. Drove through Portland to Seattle. Not qualified to offer an opinion on Portland.

    IMHO, San Diego weather is affected by the steep drop off of the ocean floor that allows cold water to get closer to shore. Much of the time, you have a cooler onshore wind that helps the area maintain reasonable temps until mid September. Then, probably due to the deserts not getting as much solar heat as the days get shorter, you have "offshore flow" where hot wind from over the desert is drawn out towards the ocean. The two wildfires I lived through happened in October/November time.

    California is an expensive place to live due to demand and state taxes.

    San Diego was nicknamed "Enron by the Sea" due to an extremely generous pension plan set up for city employees that isn't resolved.

    Housing has probably dropped in price significantly over the past 10 years. But, plan on living close to where you work. San Diego traffic "management" is run by a department of green cards that can't synchronize traffic signals and only extended green cycles for main thoroughfares after spending millions on consultants.

    The gay-friendly Hillcrest area is nice. I drove there for haircuts and you have to check out "Urban Moes" and "Chocolat" across the street. But, parking is a bitch.

    Before I moved there, a coworker in Chicago described it as "like being on vacation every day". If it weren't for my straight friends, I'd stay home.

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    Sep 24, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    San Diego:

    Traffic sucks.. Bad, not as bad as LA, but live close to where you work.

    Everything is expensive, such as gas.. gas is pretty much above $4/ gallon thru most of the county.

    I rented a studio in backwater Escondido (northern SD county) for $900 / month and that's considered cheap.

    Weather is hit or miss, we didn't even really have a summer this year or last year. However without fail, there will be a week of 80 deg weather in January hahah

    Stuff to do: pretty awesome really. If you can't find something in SD, you can just roll up to LA
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    Sep 24, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    How is this even a competition??!! No one likes the PNW, we are just stuck here cus of our jobs!
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    Sep 24, 2011 1:59 AM GMT
    Just moved out of SD to Hawaii so if anything I can compare those 2 but not Portland really. I've only made connections at PDX.

    SD was cold for me but mild so I could deal with it. Temperatures day by day don't change too much and his and low usually within 10 degrees. Never rains but when it does the city shuts down. Roads can't handle it and neither can the people.

    I lived in North Park, worked at the airport, and gym in PB sometimes...traffic didn't bother me too much at all. Unless you are on the 8 during rush hour or 5 going towards La Jolla, it's not too bad. Then again I got really lucky with traffic I think. Or I'm used to Hawaii traffic where I put my car in park and just wait 20 mins to move 5 feet.

    SD is still very nice. Work brought me to Hawaii. If that falls thru I'll be back in SD in a heat beat. Cheaper and less traffic then Hawaii.
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    Sep 24, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    There are no cons to living in San Diego. The scenery is gorgeous. The people are gorgeous. If you move there I will move with you. I'm serious.
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    Sep 24, 2011 3:26 AM GMT
    SkittleGangsta saidHow is this even a competition??!! No one likes the PNW, we are just stuck here cus of our jobs!


    'No one likes the PNW'?...
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    Sep 24, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    If the gay community ignores you because you aren't rich and beautiful, nice weather isn't going to fix that.

    If you aren't finding happiness, don't do like I did and stay for 14 years, hoping it'd get better.

    One more thing about temperature. It varies by neighborhood. There are some tall hills east of I-15 near the Scripps Ranch/MIra Mesa area, up by hwy 56.

    One mile east can increase ambient temps by as much as 10 degrees because of the terrain.

    One more thing, Santee is a nice place to visit..in the wintertime. I'd avoid living there for reasons other than its climate. FWIW.
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    Sep 24, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
    Portland (Seattle and the Pac. NW in general) is awesome... for me. Love all the public lands we can go out fishing and hunting and camping and hiking on. Love the coffee, micro brewed beer and wine culture, fun restaurants and farmers markets. Great gay community. Folks tend to be nice and easy going after they assimilate a couple years. No shortage of gyms and movie theaters and real culture too. Freeway traffic does suck these days at rush hours. Deal with it. Small price to pay.
    OK, it does rain here but at least it's not snow but you can drive to snow w/in an hour and have 10' of it to snow shoe in, ski, telemark ski/back country, etc. Then there's the east side of Oregon and Washington to enjoy road trips to and maybe even live. Small towns for sure.
    San Diego had no downside weather wise (cycle 12 months of the year) except the cost of living. Love visiting friends there.