Steroids

  • Vaughn

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    Jul 07, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
    I watched the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" the other night. I found it very informative. What're your thoughts on A. Steroids?
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 07, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
    It made me think it would make more sense to have them legalized but controlled. That way doctors will be required to monitor the situation. Congress also passed the law making them a felony without the support of the FDA or the DEA at the time.
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    Jul 07, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
    I won't choose to take them, their harmful and potentially deadly side effects are well documented. But I choose not to make the heavily judgmental remarks some do make towards those who take them.
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 07, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidI won't choose to take them, their harmful and potentially deadly side effects are well documented. But I choose not to make the heavily judgmental remarks some do make towards those who take them.


    Apparently there are only 3 deaths recorded a year. Fewer people are admitted to emergency rooms for steroids than vitaminosis. Unfortunately the effects of steroids appear to be largely undocumented. I think it is in poor judgment to tamper with one's hormonal balance.
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    Jul 07, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    *sound of crickets chirping........*
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    Jul 07, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
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    Jul 07, 2011 11:14 PM GMT
    I'm not a fan of steroids because I'm happy with my current size.
    However, I'd rather have steroids than hemorrhoids.
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    Jul 07, 2011 11:28 PM GMT

    Star904 pointed out a great example....but just to top it off.... please, if you can, name ONE person who has had life-long benefits from taking A. Steroids.
    This does NOT include people who are prescribed this medication for reasons OTHER than developing bigger bodies.
  • KinesiologyMa...

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    Jul 07, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    Vaughn said
    Ariodante saidI won't choose to take them, their harmful and potentially deadly side effects are well documented. But I choose not to make the heavily judgmental remarks some do make towards those who take them.


    Apparently there are only 3 deaths recorded a year. Fewer people are admitted to emergency rooms for steroids than vitaminosis. Unfortunately the effects of steroids appear to be largely undocumented. I think it is in poor judgment to tamper with one's hormonal balance.


    watched the same documentary. However the comment of steroids only causing 3 deaths is like saying AIDS doesn't kill anyone. It is the secondary infection that causes deaths in AIDS patients just how heart attacks and cancer is what kills a person on steroids.

  • Vaughn

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    Jul 08, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    KinesiologyMajor said


    watched the same documentary. However the comment of steroids only causing 3 deaths is like saying AIDS doesn't kill anyone. It is the secondary infection that causes deaths in AIDS patients just how heart attacks and cancer is what kills a person on steroids.



    Vaughn saidIt made me think it would make more sense to have them legalized but controlled. That way doctors will be required to monitor the situation. Congress also passed the law making them a felony without the support of the FDA or the DEA at the time.


    I don't believe the bit on cancer is actually known. I remember the whole thing with estrogens taken by woman to stave off menopause and slow down the aging process seemed to be getting breast cancer. I don't know what happened with that, however taking estrogens should probably be made illegal with A. Steroids. In the documentary a doctor read off the effects of vitamin C. I plugged into the library search engine at my school. Less than a page of studies were found and none of them were in PDF format. All the evidence online I've found was anecdotal. There are already many controlled substances on the market with a prescription or merely with the coming of age and an ID. It is very naive to assume people aren't using them just because they are illegal or a few people had skin problems. It would be better monitored like SSRIs or antipsychotics. Serious studies should probably be done on the matter.
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    Jul 08, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    Taking steroids is analogous -- even if the intensity is different -- to tanning. You are doing harm to your health in the name of good looks.

    Some people are naturally tanned. On the other hand, there are people like me who are death pale and would need a huge sacrifice to achieve the bronzed look by means of tanning.

    When you look someone you find attractive, do you ask yourself if he achieved this beauty by means of an honest effort? Or if he's only pretty because of good genes? Maybe steroids? Do you date industrious ugly guys just because of their effort?

    Probably not.

    But don't worry: the truth is not always visible. You can't look at someone and undoubtedly know how much of his beauty is due to merit or how much of his ugliness is due to vice. This is a very unequal world and appearance will not tell us the truth, though we like to think it does.

    Don't say you are looking for merit when you reject effort-driven guys who are nevertheless cursed with bad genes. We want good looking guys and most of us will never ask if they had a little help from mother nature, or perhaps a good chemistry.

    If you, moralists, were all meritocratic as you say you are, why are you not dating ugly guys who work their asses off to look better? This is one of the reasons why people use steroids after all: effort alone won't give you a boyfriend. To be moralistic about steroid use while drooling for muscular guys is as hypocritical as using cocaine and complaining about the violence of drug dealers. Don't complain about a system you are feeding.
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 08, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    bachian said To be moralistic about steroid use while drooling for muscular guys is as hypocritical as using cocaine and complaining about the violence of drug dealers. Don't complain about a system you are feeding.


    I'm not sure I understand this.

    I don't have any real interest in steroids. I like being thrown around in bed and I I were to break 150 I'd be a bit screwed. Especially here in Tucson where the gays aren't in great shape. I generally don't have problems getting big muscular guys who I drool over. You don't need muscles to get muscles.
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    Jul 08, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    Vaughn said
    bachian said To be moralistic about steroid use while drooling for muscular guys is as hypocritical as using cocaine and complaining about the violence of drug dealers. Don't complain about a system you are feeding.


    I'm not sure I understand this.

    I don't have any real interest in steroids. I like being thrown around in bed and I I were to break 150 I'd be a bit screwed. Especially here in Tucson where the gays aren't in great shape. I generally don't have problems getting big muscular guys who I drool over. You don't need muscles to get muscles.


    Don't worry, I wasn't with you in mind when I wrote it! icon_smile.gif

    You are very fortunate for having such seduction power but unfortunately this does not apply to most of us, as many other threads here can tell. I'm sure steroid use would go down if everyone had your luck.
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    Jul 08, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    I won't take steroids but I won't condemn guys who do--they're entitled to do what they want with their bodies so long as no one is prejudiced in the process. To each his own. Interestingly, I'd wrestled competitively against guys who I thought exhibited typical steroid-induced muscles but I still beat them.
  • dalek19

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    Jul 08, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    a co worker of mine had some serius side effects. He turned BRIGHT yellow and his whole body itched non stop for like 4 months. His liver almost died. Dont take them
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    Jul 08, 2011 2:48 AM GMT
    Wow those are some seriously scary photos Stan904! Yikes.

    I wouldn't take them for a number of reasons although the no pain, all gain is tempting. You'd have to keep taking them to stay big, not to mention all the side effects—it's just not worth it.
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    Jul 08, 2011 2:53 AM GMT
    dalek19 saida co worker of mine had some serius side effects. He turned BRIGHT yellow and his whole body itched non stop for like 4 months. His liver almost died. Dont take them

    Sounds like your co-worker got some bogus steroids.
  • ryno

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    Jul 08, 2011 2:58 AM GMT
    I think it's interesting how there was a ban on a substance that only had a handful of case studies to determine its effects. However tobacco products, which have been linked to numerous health problems, are completely legal. You still have to consider, though, that this relates to pretty much everything we do and how the government regulates it. Should we make all "unhealthy" food illegal to produce or ban skydiving and bungee jumping as it can increase your chance of injury or death? Some would say no being an enfringement of freedom, but others yes because there are financial costs involved treating those injured/sick from those activites/lifestyles. Somethings to consider, but I'll stop before this becomes an essay.
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    dalek19 saida co worker of mine had some serius side effects. He turned BRIGHT yellow and his whole body itched non stop for like 4 months. His liver almost died. Dont take them


    It's called Jaundice I got that way from my meds when I was 18. All my hair fell out. ALOT OF THINGS do this. It's not that common of a side effect. Most steroids are not Hepatoxic (Sp?). Vitamins can do that to you. My cousin says his former boss did it and that his boss said his body felt like it was messed up. I talked to a friend at mine in school who is one of the bigger guys at the rec after watching the documentary and he said I'd be surprised at how wide spread steroid use is.
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    Thats why it's odd that anecdotal evidence is used to support banning steroids.
    We've already established how the method works.
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    Jul 08, 2011 3:16 AM GMT
    Personally, while i'm not even considering taking them till the end of my goal. I have no problem with people that use them. Often times people think that it's an easy way out or a cop out. They don't realize that people that are on steroids have to do a lot of work otherwise they're just going to get fat. It's not a magical pill or injection and boom you're all muscular. You have to work, often times i've seen people that have taken it work hell of a lot harder than those that don't.

    If it's something someone wants to do the only thing i have a problem with is if they're doing it in a stupid way... People that do too much or that go overboard on it are crazy. Still, i won't judge them because at the end of the day, they're the ones that have to live with their own body. If they like what they're accomplishing and what they're doing with their body, who are you to judge?
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:18 AM GMT
    What about ectomorphs?
  • squash4dave

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
    Vaughn saidIt made me think it would make more sense to have them legalized but controlled. That way doctors will be required to monitor the situation. Congress also passed the law making them a felony without the support of the FDA or the DEA at the time.


    They are now and always have been legal. But, now they are a controlled substance. They are treated like narcotics by the DEA. They are not approved for body building. They have an legitimate use; for muscle loss in cancer patients, muscle wasting in AIDS patients, and son on. They only became a controlled substance because of abuse by people wanting to use them as performance enhancers. Even so, a major problem is that guys who use them think that if a little is good, a lot is better. That's where you get problems like roid rage. And they don't cycle them. So, your body can't produce testosterone, because the continued use doesn't give your body the chance to start making it's own again. It's production is suppressed by steroids. Also, prolonged use puts you at increase risk for testicular cancer. Also can cause heart problems. Anybody remember the incredibly built porn star Brett Mycles? He dies of a cardiomyopathy as a result of anabolic steroid abuse.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    The severe acne in the photo is not a reasonable example of AAS side effects. That's going to be rare, and hugely impacted by individual genetics and predispositions.

    I think in a lot of ways messages like that are counter-productive to discouraging use, just like those silly anti-pot ads that were on a few years ago (anyone see that? Pot makes you get the munchies and run someone over on the way to taco bell...). People see something like that, then see the bodybuilders and models, and their friends, who have no such side effects and nothing even approximating it. It's a small logical leap to assume that the anti-roid crowd is exaggerating the side effects.

    Unfortunately, the substantive risks of AAS abuse take a long time to manifest and aren't easily linked directly to AAS abuse.
  • Montague

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    Jul 08, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    Vaughn saidI watched the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" the other night. I found it very informative. What're your thoughts on A. Steroids?


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