Snapped Anterior Cruciate Ligament....

  • abflexman

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    Jul 10, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    I managed to snap my ACL last week playing football (soccer). Stupid accident which happened when i jumped up at a corner and when i landed the knee just buckled.

    It was the first injury I have ever experienced so its a new experience for me not being able to be active - I hate it!

    I have been told its a 6 to 9 month recovery after an operation which I will need if i want to play contact sport again. Which i do! I then have to add the waiting list time for the operation which could be months - its a depressing thought!

    I was wondering what it was like for others who have suffered this injury, how long it took them to recover and whether they got back to the same fitness strength as before.

    Cheers, James
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    Jul 10, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    I'm currently in the waiting gap for surgery on my ankle ligaments. Tore them in the mountains in Afghanistan...

    Now the VA is saying I might not even need it tho. I've been doing all the physical therapy crap they told me to do, and I guess it's been working!

    At any rate, my ankle still feels pressure, if not pain, in almost every step. And this all started in February. Fun.

    Now I'm debating whether the surgery will make it better or worse, I've heard my share of both. Good luck tho!
  • abflexman

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    Jul 10, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    Cheers man, and good look with what you decide to do.

    I just hate being inactive and its depressing seeing my leg muscles waste away! I have my first physio session thursday and cannot wait!
  • ryno

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    Was your meniscus also damaged with the injury?
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    About four weeks ago, I was jogging and pulled a muscle in my right leg BAD. I literally when from a proverbial 60 to 0 in what felt like a second. I couldn't walk for a few days and my biggest worry was that I popped a ligament in my leg. Well, after a week or so, it was evident that I was healing up, but I couldn't jog. After a little more than a month, I can jog again icon_biggrin.gif

    Being out of commission like that drives me insane. I try to jog everyday, but clearly that wasn't going to happen a few weeks ago. I'm still not 100%, but I can jog now with no problems at all. I can totally relate to you being annoyed by the prospects of a 6-9 month recovery. I went through something similar when I broke my foot 6 years ago. No jogging for 9 months icon_sad.gif That is something I never want to repeat again.
  • abflexman

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    I was told there could be some torn cartilage also - I actually have the MRI Tuesday to pick the full extent.

    I have just had the physical examination where the Doc was quite positive it was the ACL - i guess i should pin my hopes he may have been wrong?!
  • RSportsguy

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    Good luck! I hope the doctor is wrong! Please keep us updated!!
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    Jul 10, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    The thought of injury scares me, If I couldn't be active for 6-9 months... I am legitimately frightened of the person I would turn into.

    Good luck on your recovery!
  • abflexman

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    Thanks everyone, I'll keep you all posted.

    I am too scared of what i may turn into not getting regular exercise or playing sport!! Although crutches are great for the arms i have found ;-)
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Jul 10, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    abflexman said Although crutches are great for the arms i have found ;-)


    Spoken for the truth. If you get a good pair of crutches and some help, you might be able to entertain yourself with mid-air scissor kicks. Though I don't recommend doing it with a broken foot.
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    Jul 11, 2011 12:53 AM GMT
    Sorry.
    Sounds like your professional career is over.
  • brendanmuscle...

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    Jul 11, 2011 3:31 AM GMT
    You shouldn't have to wait months for a surgery like this

    i tore my distal right biceps tendon last year- i had surgery 6 days after the injury.
  • abflexman

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    Jul 11, 2011 7:32 AM GMT
    The operation waiting list can be very long on the NHS, depends on the operation in question and the hospital, 6-12 months wait is not unheard of in the UK! Hopefully I won't have to wait that long as that would force me to find the money to go private!

    As for my professional career over, I wish I played football professionally!! I just love playing sports- all kinds, especially football, hockey and tennis. All 3 will be out of bounds for a while! But on the plus side I guess it'll give me extra time in the gym!
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jul 11, 2011 8:01 AM GMT
    I'm a medical imaging technologist. We use radiation to take pictures.

    Anyway, this really hot 20 something baseball player came to me today with a leg that was a mangled mess. I'm guessing he was gay from his interaction with me but that's irrelivant. If he calls me, I'll update you on that.

    I helped the porter with the stretched and the cute guy said to me, "Everyone who looks at my leg makes that face." I hadn't even realised I'd made a face. He said his father couldn't even look without feeling like throwing up.

    From the appearance, it looked like he had a serious complicated fracture, even before doing his XRay. I told one of my co-workers, "This is our next OR case."

    After I did his X-Rays, it turned out that he only had a dislocated knee, which is extremely rare. They popped it back into place. We did a CT scan with intravascular contrast to check for vascular damage, and then sent him home.

    Your knee damage might turn out to be less serious than you think. Bits of cartilage floating around in the joint space can cause all kinds of problems, then disappear for months.

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    Jul 11, 2011 8:15 AM GMT
    abflexman saidI managed to snap my ACL last week playing football (soccer). Stupid accident which happened when i jumped up at a corner and when i landed the knee just buckled.

    It was the first injury I have ever experienced so its a new experience for me not being able to be active - I hate it!

    I have been told its a 6 to 9 month recovery after an operation which I will need if i want to play contact sport again. Which I do! I then have to add the waiting list time for the operation which could be months - its a depressing thought!

    I was wondering what it was like for others who have suffered this injury, how long it took them to recover and whether they got back to the same fitness strength as before.

    Cheers, James

    Hey James, I've snapped the ACL in both of my knees, with 2 injuries on my left...1 on my right and were 8 yrs apart. My last Right knee surgery involved Medial Meniscus damage also.The Orthopedist cut away the damaged cartilage, but the ACL couldn't be reattached, so he took a center section of my Patellar Tendon and used that to mimic the damaged ACL function and it's held in place with Titanium screws. The total recovery with long term physical therapy took a year. This was due in large to the very physical job I have requiring my 100% functionality before a return to work. If your job is less strenuous, you will probably be back in the time frame your Dr. gave you. Also, keep in mind, this was my second knee injury and both of my ACL's were snapped.

    The downside is, in strenuous sports requiring lateral movement and frequent & sudden change of direction like in racquet sports and football...this taxes the ACL and you may not have full ability you had prior to your injury. I gave up Downhill snow skiing and am not as competitive in racquetball as I was before the surgery. The upside, i am able to kick-ass in the gym with my declined leg presses. Also a word of caution that I received from both my Orthopedic Surgeon & my Physical Therapist was not to do heavy Quad Leg Extensions from the 90 degree position. I was advised to start the movement with the knee in a 45 degree bend so that the quads kick in immediately, whereas the knee does a lot of the work from 90 degree to the 45 degree position before the quads take over! Good luck with your surgery and recovery man. If you have any other questions, feel free to message me direct.

    Cheers,
    --Rob
  • brendanmuscle...

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    Jul 11, 2011 8:31 AM GMT
    abflexman saidThe operation waiting list can be very long on the NHS, depends on the operation in question and the hospital, 6-12 months wait is not unheard of in the UK! Hopefully I won't have to wait that long as that would force me to find the money to go private!

    As for my professional career over, I wish I played football professionally!! I just love playing sports- all kinds, especially football, hockey and tennis. All 3 will be out of bounds for a while! But on the plus side I guess it'll give me extra time in the gym!

    Is this what you get with "Universal Healthcare"? icon_sad.gif

    Is there any way you can push to be put further up the list? Importnantness of getting the surgery done asap? ( with some injuries, time is of the essence- i do not know much about ACL tears though) time was of the essence in my injury though, it was a total tendon tear on my biceps.

    I hope you have a speedy recovery though. Stay strong, keep your head up and don't give up. If it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger!
  • abflexman

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    Jul 12, 2011 7:25 PM GMT
    brendanmuscles said

    Is this what you get with "Universal Healthcare"? icon_sad.gif

    Is there any way you can push to be put further up the list? Importnantness of getting the surgery done asap? ( with some injuries, time is of the essence- i do not know much about ACL tears though) time was of the essence in my injury though, it was a total tendon tear on my biceps.

    I hope you have a speedy recovery though. Stay strong, keep your head up and don't give up. If it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger!



    I have to say I cannot knock our National Health Service here in the UK, they have treated me and my family so well in the past, but I just have no idea how long this operation could take!

    I had my MRI scan today, and have to wait till the end of the month for the results - bit of a pain. But I start physio Thursday.

    Thank you for the kind words, I'll definitely keep strong, I am determined to come back fitter and stronger!!
  • brendanmuscle...

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    Jul 13, 2011 3:03 AM GMT
    Just ask for a copy of the images, and try to find someone to interpret the images. it only takes a radiologist or doctor a matter of a few minutes.
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    Jul 13, 2011 3:11 AM GMT
    I was running a couple of weeks ago training for the marathon and the side of my knee started hurting. It hurts more when I bend it, or when I go up or down the stairs. I Googled and found Runner's Knee and Iliotibial Band Syndrome? It sucks because I have a half-marathon in a month and I havent kept up with any training in 3 weeks. Has anyone experienced this?
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    Jul 13, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    Three years ago, playing basketball in a league, I tore my ACL, MCL and lateral meniscus in my right knee attempting to block a game tying shot (that ultimately missed, but it was only half time) and coming down my knee buckled and the swelling was ridiculous. I had surgery about a month or two later (I waited because I was scared and hoped it would miraculously get better). However, don't think you'll be inactive after the surgery.
    Two days after surgery, my PT started and those are some intense workouts. Mainly on the one knee, but there is also some bike riding and treadmill work involved. You won't be able to go as hard, but you will definitely not be rotting away on a couch or bed. I started biking more and swimming also, but couldn't play basketball again for about a year. I probably could have, but I was so terrified of tearing it again. However, I am now back to banging int he post, out-jumping guys half my age for rebounds and blocking shots just like old times.
    One word of advice is to be very diligent with your PT, especially at home. It's easy at the sessions with the therapist, but what you do at home is key. I also used the ligaments from a cadaver, which is kinda creepy, but it cuts the recovery time in half nearly.
    Hopefully that helps, but don't let anyone scare you because it's, honestly, not that bad and you can still be active. You'll be doing leg presses, one legged squats, leg extensions and curls by the end of the first month. You just won't be playing soccer any time soon, but you can surely still be active. I was back benching while still on my crutches and people are pretty helpful when loading or unload bars, etc. So keep your head up man, it's not that bad, I promise.
  • abflexman

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    Jul 13, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    slimtoned1 saidThree years ago, playing basketball in a league, I tore my ACL, MCL and lateral meniscus in my right knee attempting to block a game tying shot (that ultimately missed, but it was only half time) and coming down my knee buckled and the swelling was ridiculous. I had surgery about a month or two later (I waited because I was scared and hoped it would miraculously get better). However, don't think you'll be inactive after the surgery.
    Two days after surgery, my PT started and those are some intense workouts. Mainly on the one knee, but there is also some bike riding and treadmill work involved. You won't be able to go as hard, but you will definitely not be rotting away on a couch or bed. I started biking more and swimming also, but couldn't play basketball again for about a year. I probably could have, but I was so terrified of tearing it again. However, I am now back to banging int he post, out-jumping guys half my age for rebounds and blocking shots just like old times.
    One word of advice is to be very diligent with your PT, especially at home. It's easy at the sessions with the therapist, but what you do at home is key. I also used the ligaments from a cadaver, which is kinda creepy, but it cuts the recovery time in half nearly.
    Hopefully that helps, but don't let anyone scare you because it's, honestly, not that bad and you can still be active. You'll be doing leg presses, one legged squats, leg extensions and curls by the end of the first month. You just won't be playing soccer any time soon, but you can surely still be active. I was back benching while still on my crutches and people are pretty helpful when loading or unload bars, etc. So keep your head up man, it's not that bad, I promise.


    Hey, thanks for the encouragement! - I have first physio session tomorrow and cannot wait to get started! Hearing your story gives me great motivation!
  • abflexman

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    Jul 22, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
    So I have been doing my physio for the past week and man its tough!

    I am doing the exercises 3 times a day, and slowly seeing some more movement. Its as if the joint has just fused up. I have been off 2 crutches for over a week now, and am going to go totally crutchless tomorrow!

    Back to the hospital next friday for the results of the MRI keeping fingers crossed for no other damage. I was hoping for more movement in my knee as its nearly been a month now, and i am really hating not doing proper exercise!!

    As soon as I can I will be making up for lost time!
  • RSportsguy

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    Jul 23, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    Good luck! I hope your MRI results come back with good news for you!!
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    Jul 26, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
    Hey James,
    I tore my ACL early last year playing five a side football. Luckily I’m in a health scheme with my work and was able to go private so I had my operation only a few months later, that was last June I had the hamstring graft. My surgeon said I’d managed to tear the ACL right of the bone.
    I just wanted you to know from someone who has had the surgery that it is worth it and I’m so glad I had it done. I did find it very frustrating not being able to do the sports I usually like, so I used to spend loads of time on my phisio in the gym.
    I was able to go road biking within a couple of months after my operation and even managed to go skiing in January just seven months later and I was back playing football after eight months.
    It still aches a little bit occasionally if I do too much, but then not much more than the rest of me (I think I’m getting old.) Other than that I have no problems with it, in fact the only time it really hurt was when I first came round after the operation.
    It’s good that you’re doing phisio already you really want to build your quad muscle up as much as possible because it surprising how quickly it will disappear.

    Good Luck with the recovery you’ll be back playing football before you know it.
    Kev.
  • abflexman

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    Jul 26, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
    Wolvesfan saidHey James,
    I tore my ACL early last year playing five a side football. Luckily I’m in a health scheme with my work and was able to go private so I had my operation only a few months later, that was last June I had the hamstring graft. My surgeon said I’d managed to tear the ACL right of the bone.
    I just wanted you to know from someone who has had the surgery that it is worth it and I’m so glad I had it done. I did find it very frustrating not being able to do the sports I usually like, so I used to spend loads of time on my phisio in the gym.
    I was able to go road biking within a couple of months after my operation and even managed to go skiing in January just seven months later and I was back playing football after eight months.
    It still aches a little bit occasionally if I do too much, but then not much more than the rest of me (I think I’m getting old.) Other than that I have no problems with it, in fact the only time it really hurt was when I first came round after the operation.
    It’s good that you’re doing phisio already you really want to build your quad muscle up as much as possible because it surprising how quickly it will disappear.

    Good Luck with the recovery you’ll be back playing football before you know it.
    Kev.


    Hey Kev, thanks for this, I have been doing my extension exercises 3 times a day! Making slow progress but i am getting more and more movement in it, although with that i get more and more aches!

    I am back to the hospital Friday to see what the doc says. Unfortunately I don't have any private health care, but if i do have to wait forever I would consider going private.

    Its great to hear you are back playing football though, and that you were skiing by the new year! Really gives me some hope. At the moment I am just trying not to turn into a fat mess!!