South California?

  • Mepark

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    Jul 12, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    I don't know whether to laugh or take this seriously?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/south-california-proposed-as-51st-state-by-republican-supervisor.html

    Looks more like an "East California."
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    Jul 12, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
    It will never happen. It would have to be approved by the states legislature, and what state would ever vote to decrease its own size? Every few years someone brings up splitting up California and it never happens.
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    Jul 12, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
    There are many in the southwest part of LA county (South Bay beach cities) who would love to be in the new state, but the old one would never let us go because we pay so much in taxes.
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    Jul 12, 2011 4:31 AM GMT
    "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said.

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  • Hunter9

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    Jul 12, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
    This wonderful proposed 51st state of South California will include the counties of Riverside, San Bernadino, Imperial, Kern, Tulare, Kings County and Fresno County... wow what a shithole.

    And what makes them think that San Diego county is going to want to be a part of the area that I usually refer to as the Toilet of California?
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    Jul 12, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    I'm all for it, even though it's a typically hair-brained idea by a right wing wacko.

    Once that's done, the first thing I'd hope the legitimate state of Calfiornia does is to make sure that all water supplies from the north should be surcharged if the water crosses the new border.

    We'd make sure that the south gets charged for what the water actually costs. We're sick and tired of the lazy wasteful people of South California living off the dole of the north. We must protect our own precious fluids; let the South Californians suck muddy Colorado River water.

    That's only the beginning....I'm sure we'd come up with all sorts of ways to ensure that the new state of South California pays its way, instead of living off the north's largesse.....



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    Jul 12, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    ....oh, I forgot, the new state of South California won't have much of a tax base. True, there are a few well-to-do counties...like Orange and San Diego, but mostly those counties will be taxing the people of say, Huntington Beach, royally to pay for roads and other infrastructure in Barstow, and Blythe, and Needles.

    Frankly, this would be good news to the rest of us. Most of the tax base would be left to what is now Northern and Central California, of course. Some of the wealthiest counties would be on our side of the wacked out Mason-Dixon Line. We'll see your Disneyland with our Silicon Valley....and most of the intellectual energy in the state would definitely NOT be in South California, with the exception of San Diego County....which would definitely NOT vote for this, by the way.

    Conservatives have such interesting pipe-dreams.....be careful, you may get what you wish for...and I'd say you haven't worked it out very well.

    P.S. I would miss Disneyland, though.icon_biggrin.gif
  • jonniejarko

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    Jul 12, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    Republican, Riverside. Enough said.
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    thats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    I got into two nor cal schools on that list. And they gave me no money. It made me feel like a loser icon_cry.gif
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    sundayswim said"If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said.

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    I love that quote as well.
  • austex85

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    Jul 12, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    I got into two nor cal schools on that list. And they gave me no money. It made me feel like a loser icon_cry.gif


    awww *tear*
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:26 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    I got into two nor cal schools on that list. And they gave me no money. It made me feel like a loser icon_cry.gif


    awww *tear*


    its okay though cuz like....the students at UCSF Caltech and UCLA are still like...totally safe and stuff. icon_smile.gif
  • austex85

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    Jul 12, 2011 5:27 AM GMT
    fastprof said....oh, I forgot, the new state of South California won't have much of a tax base. True, there are a few well-to-do counties...like Orange and San Diego, but mostly those counties will be taxing the people of say, Huntington Beach, royally to pay for roads and other infrastructure in Barstow, and Blythe, and Needles.

    Frankly, this would be good news to the rest of us. Most of the tax base would be left to what is now Northern and Central California, of course. Some of the wealthiest counties would be on our side of the wacked out Mason-Dixon Line. We'll see your Disneyland with our Silicon Valley....and most of the intellectual energy in the state would definitely NOT be in South California, with the exception of San Diego County....which would definitely NOT vote for this, by the way.

    Conservatives have such interesting pipe-dreams.....be careful, you may get what you wish for...and I'd say you haven't worked it out very well.

    P.S. I would miss Disneyland, though.icon_biggrin.gif


    most of the intellectual energy in California will instead be drained out to Texas icon_razz.gif

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/06/migration
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    on the east coast if you get into berkeley, people will totally ride your D for the rest of the school year
  • jonniejarko

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    Jul 12, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    Agreed with all. But let's not diss my alma mater now.

  • austex85

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    Jul 12, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    on the east coast if you get into berkeley, people will totally ride your D for the rest of the school year


    not so sure about that. people in the east coast know of berkeley, but definitely don't think of it as better than any of the elite private schools on the east coast or the "public ivies" like michigan or uva. people in california definitely overestimate the prestige of the UCs.

    edit: that said, berkeley is a fine school; a top-notch one in fact, but people in Cali blow it out of proportion
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:35 AM GMT
    austex85 said
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    on the east coast if you get into berkeley, people will totally ride your D for the rest of the school year


    not so sure about that. people in the east coast know of berkeley, but definitely don't think of it as better than any of the elite private schools on the east coast or the "public ivies" like michigan or uva. people in california definitely overestimate the prestige of the UCs.

    edit: that said, berkeley is a fine school; a top-notch one in fact, but people in Cali blow it out of proportion


    dekriuman, dont argue with the asian guy about schools. he has done his research on them since birth. fho da realz.
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    on the east coast if you get into berkeley, people will totally ride your D for the rest of the school year


    not so sure about that. people in the east coast know of berkeley, but definitely don't think of it as better than any of the elite private schools on the east coast or the "public ivies" like michigan or uva. people in california definitely overestimate the prestige of the UCs.

    edit: that said, berkeley is a fine school; a top-notch one in fact, but people in Cali blow it out of proportion


    dekriuman, dont argue with the asian guy about schools. he has done his research on them since birth. fho da realz.


    I go to carnegie mellon. All i do is argue with asian people.
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    Jul 12, 2011 5:44 AM GMT
    austex85 said
    dekiruman said
    AvadaKedavra said
    austex85 said
    AvadaKedavra saidthats a pretty accurate breakout. those are all red counties.

    Too bad all the residents of south california will have to pay out of state tuition for their kids to go to the tops universities which are all in the old california.

    You know like:

    UC Berkeley
    UCSF
    Stanford
    Caltech
    UCLA


    Stanford & Caltech are private, so no in-state/out-of-state distinction

    and it's debatable whether the rest are "top" icon_cool.gif


    thats right. they are.

    altho, compared to like cal state fresno and uc riverside they are pretty much heaven. thats not debatable.


    on the east coast if you get into berkeley, people will totally ride your D for the rest of the school year


    not so sure about that. people in the east coast know of berkeley, but definitely don't think of it as better than any of the elite private schools on the east coast or the "public ivies" like michigan or uva. people in california definitely overestimate the prestige of the UCs.

    edit: that said, berkeley is a fine school; a top-notch one in fact, but people in Cali blow it out of proportion


    I feel like a lot of people think romanticize the idea of going to berkeley because they view it as the opportunity to get a high quality education without the pretentious feel of some of the other elite colleges.
  • austex85

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    Jul 12, 2011 6:11 AM GMT
    Trollileo said
    The proposed 51st state would be the fifth largest by population, more populous than Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. South California would take nearly a third of the population away from California, making the Golden State the second-largest state after Texas.
    Um... What? Do they mean by population?


    no they mean by # of burrito stands
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    Jul 12, 2011 6:14 AM GMT
    Stupid idea!! Not new. Prior to World War II, the northern part of the state had a similar idea, but went nowhere. Governor Brown's spokesman said it best:

    "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona,"
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    Jul 12, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    Let's just give it back to Mexico icon_razz.gif