Voters trust Obama more than Congressional Republicans, still blame Bush for economy

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    Jul 14, 2011 12:07 PM GMT
    Apparently the American people agree with the liberals and leftists.

    Quinnipiac
    President Is Best Of The Worst On Economy, U.S. Voters Tell Quinnipiac University National Poll; Voters Blame Bush Over Obama 2-1 For Financial Mess

    American voters disapprove 56 - 38 percent of the way President Barack Obama is handling the economy, but by 45 - 38 percent they trust the president more than congressional Republicans to handle the economy, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

    The country is in a recession, 71 percent of American voters say, but by 54 - 27 percent they blame former President George W. Bush more than President Obama.

    The president gets a 47 - 46 percent job approval rating, unchanged from the June 9 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. That tops a 64 - 28 percent disapproval for Democrats in Congress and a 65 - 26 percent disapproval for Republicans. Obama outscores congressional Republicans on several points in the deficit reduction battle:

    Voters will blame Republicans over Obama 48 - 34 percent if the debt limit is not raised;

    Voters say 67 - 25 percent that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling should include tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations, not just spending cuts;

    Voters say 45 - 37 percent that Obama's proposals to raise revenues are "closing loopholes," rather than "tax hikes";

    But voters say 57 - 30 percent that Obama's proposals will impact the middle class, not just the wealthy.

    "The American people aren't very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling institute.

    "Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of President Obama's handling of the economy, but by 2-1 they pin the blame on former President George W. Bush rather than Obama, who is now more than 60 percent through his term of office."

    "Given this public view, it might be reasonable to expect that the president's re-election campaign will be, as it was in 2008, running against the former president, in addition to the actual GOP nominee," said Brown. "The key voting bloc, independents, say 49 - 24 percent that Bush is more responsible for the economy than Obama."

    By a 62 - 32 percent margin, American voters say it's more important to reduce unemployment than to reduce the federal budget deficit. But they say 49 - 43 percent it's more important to reduce unemployment than to reduce government spending.

    While 71 percent of voters say they like the president personally, they dislike most of his policies 48 - 45 percent.

    When it comes to Obama's job approval, his base remains intact. Democrats give him a thumbs up 81 - 11 percent, while disapproval is 83 - 13 percent among Republicans and 53 - 40 percent among independent voters. Obama gets a 50 - 41 percent approval rating among women, but men disapprove 51 - 43 percent.

    "Obama has established a bond with the American people on a personal level. Even Republicans say 49 - 32 percent they like him personally. But his policies are another story," said Brown. "Look at independents, who like him as a person 70 - 15 percent, but dislike his policies 55 - 35 percent."


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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 14, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
    Glad they do.. the more I hear about the negotiation efforts, the
    more irritation I have toward the republicans and their positions.
    What a mess.

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    Jul 14, 2011 12:25 PM GMT
    To better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.
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    Jul 14, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.


    Obama doesn't need to blame Bush for anything. What this poll shows is that while Obama's performance doesn't thrill some, they ultimately blame Bush for getting us into this mess.

    And the video to which you refer is specious at best. Yes, raising taxes on the working and middle classes are bad in a recession since they are the most hammered by the economic downturn. What is different about this recession is that the wealthy and corporations recovered MUCH more quickly then the majority of Americans, and can, therefore, afford to pay more in taxes to help us dig out of this recession.

    That is a widely shared view that has not changed in nearly 18 months.
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    Jul 14, 2011 12:55 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.
    .



    I don't give a damn about campaign strategy! I want the damned republicans and Obama to reach an agreement over the current budget stalemate and get things back on a reasonable track for this country.
    Screw campaign bullshit at this point!!!

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    Jul 14, 2011 1:00 PM GMT
    Good thing that Obama will be running against Bush next election. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 14, 2011 1:07 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidGood thing that Obama will be running against Bush next election. icon_rolleyes.gif


    All the candidates from the GOP are doubling down on Bush's terrible policies, so it's not so much running against Bush as pointing to their attempts to resurrect his failed agenda.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 14, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
    wait. But the Boehmer House was debating light bulbs yesterday
    That was important ...... Right?


    Right?


    Oh and the measure was defeated by it's own majority party anyway


    Jobs jobs jobs ...... Lol
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 14, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidGood thing that Obama will be running against Bush next election. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Lets hope to hell we never have a Bush in any election!

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    Jul 14, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    riddler78 saidGood thing that Obama will be running against Bush next election. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Lets hope to hell we never have a Bush in any election!

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    Why not? Hillary could have made an even better President. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 14, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.


    Obama doesn't need to blame Bush for anything. What this poll shows is that while Obama's performance doesn't thrill some, they ultimately blame Bush for getting us into this mess.

    And the video to which you refer is specious at best. Yes, raising taxes on the working and middle classes are bad in a recession since they are the most hammered by the economic downturn. What is different about this recession is that the wealthy and corporations recovered MUCH more quickly then the majority of Americans, and can, therefore, afford to pay more in taxes to help us dig out of this recession.

    That is a widely shared view that has not changed in nearly 18 months.

    BTW that video you referred to as specious came from your blessed MSNBC.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 14, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidthe video to which you refer is specious at best.



    But, of course, the poll you refer to is indisputable icon_rolleyes.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 14, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidit's not so much running against Bush as pointing to their attempts to resurrect his failed agenda.



    Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't Obama pretty much continued with Bush's agenda? Hasn't that been one of the biggest beefs that his own party seem to be having with him? Just sayin'...
  • GQjock

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    Jul 14, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    wait. But the Boehmer House was debating light bulbs yesterday
    That was important ...... Right?


    Right?


    Oh and the measure was defeated by it's own majority party anyway


    Jobs jobs jobs ...... Lol
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    Jul 14, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    shovel ready jobs!!!
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    Jul 14, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 saidit's not so much running against Bush as pointing to their attempts to resurrect his failed agenda.



    Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't Obama pretty much continued with Bush's agenda? Hasn't that been one of the biggest beefs that his own party seem to be having with him? Just sayin'...


    In some respects, the Left has criticized him for sticking with Bush policies (e.g. warrantless wiretapping, the wars, tax cut extension), but his economic policies have been very different.
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    Jul 14, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.





    FYI - THE RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.
    Therefore, OBVIOUSLY - we're no longer "in a recession".

    Nice try, but FAIL.
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    Jul 14, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.

    FYI - THE RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.
    Therefore, OBVIOUSLY - we're no longer "in a recession".

    Nice try, but FAIL.

    Are you high on something, seriously? I never mentioned the term "RECESSION". Are you so intent to criticize that you concoct something that wasn't said, then proceed to criticize your concoction?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 14, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 saidit's not so much running against Bush as pointing to their attempts to resurrect his failed agenda.



    Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't Obama pretty much continued with Bush's agenda? Hasn't that been one of the biggest beefs that his own party seem to be having with him? Just sayin'...


    You're being corrected since you are wrong...

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  • Webster666

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    Jul 14, 2011 8:18 PM GMT
    Well, it's been obvious that the Republicans have offered nothing but a plan to gut Social Security and Medicare, plans that pretty much all of us have paid into, all of our working lives.

    Plus, the President has always offered to compromise, where the Republicans insist on getting everything they want, regardless.
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    Jul 14, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.

    FYI - THE RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.
    Therefore, OBVIOUSLY - we're no longer "in a recession".

    Nice try, but FAIL.

    Are you high on something, seriously? I never mentioned the term "RECESSION". Are you so intent to criticize that you concoct something that wasn't said, then proceed to criticize your concoction?





    Are you a fucking idiot or something?

    You "never mentioned the term "RECESSION"?
    Reread your damn post.
    You posted that Obama stated in August 2009 that taxes shouldn't be raised in a "RECESSION" - and tried to allege that he is hypocritical or flip-flopping for saying that taxes SHOULD be raised on the rich and corporations today.
    The country was still in a recession back then.
    And the country is in a recovery today.

    Obama opposed tax hikes then because we were still in a recession.
    Today we're in a recovery, not a recession.
    Therefore - LOGICALLY - President Obama is not guilty of any flip-flopping.
    We were in a recession then.
    We're in a recovery now.
    No to higher taxes during a recession.
    Yes to higher taxes (on the rich) during a recovery - especially when we need to reduce spending and increase revenues to deal with our debt problem.
    There is no flip-flop.

    You Repubs seem to lack the ability to think logically.
    It's all wild emotions and a constant reiteration of pro-right-wing talking points you've been force fed by Fox and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 14, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    If anyone doesn't know how to think on here, it is you ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista. If the recession is over than why is the nation's economy still so depressed. This so called economic recovery hasn't resulted in much of anything significantly positive. You just keep parroting the same old nonsense over and over again covering up for the serious shortcomings of the democrats and always blasting the republicans. You are a real piece of work Rickdick.
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    roadbikeRob saidIf anyone doesn't know how to think on here, it is you ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista. If the recession is over than why is the nation's economy still so depressed. This so called economic recovery hasn't resulted in much of anything significantly positive. You just keep parroting the same old nonsense over and over again covering up for the serious shortcomings of the democrats and always blasting the republicans. You are a real piece of work Rickdick.




    A recession is defined as "two consecutive quarters of shrinking gross domestic product".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bureau_of_Economic_Research
    The economy has had NO quarters of shrinking gross domestic product since 2009.
    The economy has been GROWING since 2009.

    So, as I said - the economy is officially over and we're in a recovery.
    A recovery is a period when thing are getting better not worse.
    Being in a recovery doesn't mean that things are going great and the economy is strong.
    It merely means that things are getting better not worse.
    DUH!

    You should try thinking logically and educating yourself before you go around posting comments that aren't grounded in reality.
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    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness saidTo better put this in perspective, it was reported some weeks ago that media advisors suggested to Obama, Axlerod, and Pluff, that blaming Bush was no longer an effective campaign strategy, and in fact was counterproductive, because it showed weakness and shirking from the responsibilities of the current administration.

    What this means is the question of who was more at fault between Bush and Obama will be irrelevant in the next election. It is understood that the economy was in a significant downturn. The main question will be on Obama's job performance and whether his policies made things better or worse. The poll numbers today are not favorable to the administration.

    As far as who is digging their heels in, I posted in another thread a video from August 2009 when Obama stated raising taxes in a recession is not the thing to do. His position has changed today only for political, not economic, reasons to pander to his left-wing base. This video will get more play, and people will see his role for exactly what it is.

    FYI - THE RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.
    Therefore, OBVIOUSLY - we're no longer "in a recession".

    Nice try, but FAIL.

    Are you high on something, seriously? I never mentioned the term "RECESSION". Are you so intent to criticize that you concoct something that wasn't said, then proceed to criticize your concoction?





    Are you a fucking idiot or something?

    You "never mentioned the term "RECESSION"?
    Reread your damn post.
    You posted that Obama stated in August 2009 that taxes shouldn't be raised in a "RECESSION" - and tried to allege that he is hypocritical or flip-flopping for saying that taxes SHOULD be raised on the rich and corporations today.
    The country was still in a recession back then.
    And the country is in a recovery today.

    Obama opposed tax hikes then because we were still in a recession.
    Today we're in a recovery, not a recession.
    Therefore - LOGICALLY - President Obama is not guilty of any flip-flopping.
    We were in a recession then.
    We're in a recovery now.
    No to higher taxes during a recession.
    Yes to higher taxes (on the rich) during a recovery - especially when we need to reduce spending and increase revenues to deal with our debt problem.
    There is no flip-flop.

    You Repubs seem to lack the ability to think logically.
    It's all wild emotions and a constant reiteration of pro-right-wing talking points you've been force fed by Fox and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine.

    So you think because the country is in a recovery? Indicators don't show that. You must really be in your own world.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 14, 2011 11:05 PM GMT
    Rickdick is in his own little world known as a fantasyland. The nation's economy isn't getting any better, it stuck in stagnation. But don't try to educate good ol' ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista because he would have to manipulate everything to cover up for the democrats and their costly policies. He criticizes everyone else for not being logical but he should look at himself in the mirror first. Logic and Rickdick are totally incompatible.