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  • Artesin

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    Jul 14, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    so been having a couple issues in regards to building the size that I want. Generally I always eat right and take in around 2.6k calories a day, no sugar, bad fats, or simple carbs. I was so fed up at the gym that I decided to take it easy and try p90x, although I push myself to the max and even do a few compound lifts before starting the workouts I dont seem to be reaching the desired effects.

    Ive always been lean and on the side of a low bodyfat, which is always under 10%, seems to be more of a family trait.

    However I do have trouble breaking through plateaus and keeping the endurance levels up. ive been stuck at 165 for max bench, which is with the bar included and that happens to be my body weight. So Im not really too sure how I can keep pushing, considering ive been this weight for 4 years now, basically a mirror image of my high school self, i may have been way ahead then but Im not scaling properly at this point.

    Granted I dont want to be huge but I would like to be around the 185 lb-200lb range which would mean gaining another twenty or thirty.

    So ive decided to look into a different road in the form of steroid courses. Ive heard that you balance different types and go through cycles then theres relatively little risk to other areas if one does it properly. Can anyone support this claim, or even if you have experience advise me? Messaging is fine.

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    Jul 14, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    Negative Effects Of Steroids In Men: Physiologic and Psychological

    Physiological Effects


    [u]Side effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:[/u]

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles

    Side effects of anabolic steroids that may be reversible include:

    Decreased sperm production
    AcceIerated baldness
    Decreased testosterone levels
    Elevation of cholesterol
    Liver tumors
    High blood pressure
    Acne
    Liver dysfunction

    Psychological Side Effects Of Anabolic Steroids:

    Irritability
    Depression
    Mood swings
    Addiction
    Mania
    Psychosis
    Excessive aggressiveness
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    Jul 14, 2011 7:05 PM GMT
    You are young for gear but you can learn a lot on http://www.steroid.com. Consider the source, but it's a place to start. Don't believe all the negative information that you hear, but clearly, some of it is accurate. You have to judge for yourself.
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    Jul 14, 2011 9:50 PM GMT
    Not to call you stupid but....

    You think your going to do that on 2.6K calories

    Given a sedentary male, someone who drives to an office and sits all day needs 2.5K calories....if you're doing anything physical in your daily life and then on top of that hitting the gym extraneously...

    only eating 100 calories more than if you would need sitting on your ass all day I'd be surprised if your not loosing weight... and you'll still be loosing weight no matter what you inject into your butt

    You really out to pick up a physiology/metabolic biochem medical text book or even a fitness magazine and read before you start messing with yourself medically
  • iGator

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    Jul 15, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    ZbmwM5 saidNegative Effects Of Steroids In Men: Physiologic and Psychological

    Physiological Effects


    Side effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles

    Side effects of anabolic steroids that may be reversible include:

    Decreased sperm production
    AcceIerated baldness
    Decreased testosterone levels
    Elevation of cholesterol
    Liver tumors
    High blood pressure
    Acne
    Liver dysfunction

    Psychological Side Effects Of Anabolic Steroids:

    Irritability
    Depression
    Mood swings
    Addiction
    Mania
    Psychosis
    Excessive aggressiveness


    Negative Effects of Vitamin C in Humans

    Depression, convulsions,
    anxiety, jaundice,
    myocardial infarction
    (which is heart attack),
    eczema, abscess,
    vaginal pain,
    vaginal discharge
    diarrhea, nausea,
    possible dental decalcification (i.e., softening of the teeth),
    increased estrogen levels,
    renal colic (i.e., kidney stones)

    As you can see, putting anything in the body can be hazardous to your health, so please don't try to scare people with your "exhaustive" list of side effects - in fact, you might want to check the source you used as I believe that some of them may be incorrect.

    Now, my feeling is that you should do what you want to do...it's your body, not mine. However, if it were my body, I'd definately want to make sure that I've exhausted every last natural way of gaining mass.

    Some people are ectomorphs (plain english: skinny) and there is nothing that there is not really anything you can do about it -- except be happy that you're not part of the majority of Americans that are obese!
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    Jul 15, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    iGator said


    "Some people are ectomorphs (plain english: skinny) and there is nothing that there is not really anything you can do about it -- except be happy that you're not part of the majority of Americans that are obese!"


    l am an ectomorph. I dont go around injecting myself with shit so I can be as big as I want to be. Truth is I had to wait till I was at least 23-24 to gain any mass at all. You know what you do in the mean time? Ya go to the gym, and you work out, take protein... and let the chips fall where they may.

    Steroids are NOT the answer. Its sad when you see a whole slew of guys who are so obsessed with looking a certain way that they will buy drugs illegally to achieve that 'goal' ... a goal which is based on extremely unrealistic images of what a 'man' should look like. Especially in the gay world.

    Steroids used in any way other than medically are, in my opinion, for people with severe body image issues that they are trying to master. If you are willing to inject yourself (or take pills) with shit in an attempt to alter bodily chemistry to gain weight, then it says something about what's going on in your head... It's simply not healthy.

    Yes, I am aware that anything in excess is bad for you. Water can kill you if you drink too much of it.... but everyone knows (and has seen) the effects of steroids... the hair loss, the "backne," the mood swings, the shrunken balls (look in porn, its very obvious when you see it). I dont see any rationalization whatsoever for the use of steroids. It's stupid.

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    Jul 16, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    ZbmwM5,

    1) Are you sure that none of the 400+ guys in your hot list has ever juiced? It would be hypocritical to have steroid users in your hot list while you preach no one should juice -- looking attractive is part of the goal of using steroids, so if you add steroid users in your hot list you are effectively validating its use;

    2) As far as health hazards for the sake of looks are concerned, do you preach against tanning just as much? Its dangers are well known, cumulative, dermatologists condemn it in unison, yet everybody seems to get away with it without much criticism. Again: are you sure none of the 400+ guys in your hot list tans? If you are against tanning, your hot list invalidates your point, since you are rewarding them for a behavior you condemn. On the other hand, if you are not against tanning, you are not being consistent: why being against a health hazard in the name of looks and not another?

    3) Have you considered all the guys who do exactly as you preach, yet will never have a chance with you? Merit does not necessarily imply good looks. You are being naive for thinking image issues alone are what drives people to use steroids. Being fine with ourselves is not sufficient to make us attractive to the guys we want. Our bodies are so diverse and our preferences so uniform, which is why many of us will use steroids: it's the price they pay to attract the ones they want, not necessarily because they don't like how they look.

    4) My fb is a regular user of steroids, so I know the pros and cons first hand. Yes, there's acne, small balls, low libido, but all the effects are gone after a month. Unfortunately there was never any "roid rage", since he's so wishy-washy and I was expecting him to become a bit rougher! And no... no bitch tits, no depression, no abnormal blood tests (except for hormone levels of course).

    You have to ask yourself if you -- with your hot list plenty of muscular dudes -- are not part of the very engine that feeds the use of steroids. It is very likely there are steroid users on your hot list, yet there are honest meritorious guys who would like to be your type but aren't. What is the message that it sends?
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    Jul 16, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    @Bachiah

    Your entire point is ridiculous.

    I don't tan in a booth, and if people choose to tan, let them have at it. It is LEGAL, first off. One can go tan on their rooftop, by a pool, or by the beach. You're right that it is indeed a harmful thing if overly done. Moreover I tend to think guys who are overly tanned are NOT attractive, that too, looks fake. However I think people who have sensitive or very fair skin they can still spend time in the sun, get some Vitamin D naturally, and use SPF to protect themselves, and it does not have the same effects as someone taking steroids. Sun exposure can actually be healthy.... so your point isn't totally on.

    Your argument about me liking tanned guys does not hold water - particularly since I like guys who range from very white to a dark skinned black guy. I dont encourage people to "tan" to make me more attracted to them.

    Using steroids is illegal. I'd venture to say that the vast majority of guys on my hotlist do not juice. I cannot speak for the people on my hotlist and I'd guess that yes, although I like muscular guys, the vast vast VAST majority of them are not juicers. Again, there is no way for me to tell. There are a LOT of guys who gain mass naturally... they happen to be lucky, dedicated and smart about their diet/exercise routines.

    I dont really care what your 'fb' does - it does not justify the use of steroids. in the end, throwing chemicals into your body can, and does, have many negative long term affects. There's plenty of literature about it.

    You get defensive and try to negate them, but the facts are there. That your buddy doesn't get roid rage does not mean that no one else, or that other people do not get it.

    Your point about using steroids as a way to attract others (you wrote it as if I wouldnt understand what it's like to not get guys I want??) is also silly. I have been ignored, blah blah blah, who knows why. Maybe I'm too tall, too thin, or have too big a nose. That doesnt mean I am going to start going to extraordinary (and illegal) lengths to try to attract people... i.e., getting drugs from god knows where to help me achieve a look that is apparently unnatural.

    Truthfully there are guys available for almost every body type. It seems, actually, that those who accept their bodies and try to maintain a reasonable (but not necessarily adonis-like) shape are the ones who appear to be happiest, in my experience.
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    Jul 16, 2011 5:34 AM GMT
    ZbmwM5 saidSide effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles



    Hah, where are you getting this info man? Irreversible? Are you kidding me?

    Both of those issues can occur ON cycle. The PCT (post cycle therapy) takes care of those. Your balls start up again and the estrogen (causing the gynecomastia) is lowered back to normal levels. Do your research before preaching on here.
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    Jul 16, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
    So in the end it's his choice to make. You don't know him personally do you? Then why waste your time telling someone your opinion.

    Secondly, he may not like the way he looks when he looks in the mirror. People have issues with body dismorphia.

    Another thing, I for one don't have any issues with anyone that wants to use Steroids. It's their life and they have a right to live it the way they want to. Using steroids is not an easy out. If you don't put in the work you're going to get fat. There's no way around that. People that use steroids have to work just as hard if not harder to make sure they don't get the flab.

    The backne that you mentioned? Does not happen to everyone that uses steroids. The hair loss either. The moobs and what not are somethings that happen when people don't actually use correctly. Estrogen blockers are something that you're going to want to look into also. The mood swings? Yeah that too doesn't happen to everyone. There are small cases that have those issues but because people like to focus on the bad, you hear more of those stories than anything else. There's a lot of studying that needs to be done if you're going to consider using.

    I set a goal from when i was 135lbs to make it to 185 in 5 years. 185 is my goal. It's a want and it's a need for me to get there for me to feel better about myself. I could have a case of body dismorphic issues but i know that when i look in the mirror i want to see something bigger. That's my choice. It doesn't say anything about my personality, about how nice I am about how kind i am either. It only says that i want to get bigger.

    Another thing, those guys in the magazine you mention? How many of them do you think use, i'm just curious. The ones you see that are sponsored by protien companies are almost always using.

    If you dont' like steroids, that's fine.. Don't use them. But if someone else wants to and they're not going to take no for an answer.. Then don't talk down to them because you feel you're better than they are or that they're somehow bad people for wanting to change their image. If you're taking that stance, why not down or yell at all the people wanting to go through transgender treatement or why aren't you barking about women getting implants? (Granted it's legal, but if that's you're only argument.. well then we don't have anything to discuss really).

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    Jul 16, 2011 6:09 AM GMT
    lol, its both shocking and embarrassing how many people speak up in support of juicing.

    That must be why its banned in all sports.

    Must also be why its a controlled substance - because its good for you to use at your own discretion, "if you know what you're doing."

    Not everyone who tries crystal meth gets addicted or ends up in jail overnight.... so thats your best argument for justifying its use?? haha.

    Yes.... I stick with my opinion, even if it makes you defensive, and even if it makes me seem condescending to you. The whole thing is sad.

    "I could have a case of body dismorphic issues but i know that when i look in the mirror i want to see something bigger. That's my choice. It doesn't say anything about my personality, about how nice I am about how kind i am either. It only says that i want to get bigger."

    icon_rolleyes.gif ... Psychology is not that simple. Body dysmoprhia is not that simple. You can try to simplify your behaviors to whatever you want.... but there are a million reasons why we all do the things we do. This is like saying that Anorexics dont eat because they just want to be thin. icon_question.gificon_question.gif. It has nothing to do with emotional control, or a million other causes that are commonly at the root of anorexia, right?? Nothing at all.

    Body Dysmorphic disorder is equally complex... dont try to dumb it down to "I just want to be bigger." Ok... so you want to get bigger? Why? Answer that and we might be getting somewhere. Having a body image problem may not make you mean or kind, and it is not the entirety of who you are. But clearly there are underlying reasons for wanting to be big, thin... especially when we talk about going to such extremes to achieve such a goal.
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    Jul 16, 2011 7:47 AM GMT
    you can try taking supplements like creatine to increase you strength.

    also, i think p90x is a leaning program and not so much a bulking program. i think there is a lot of cardio involved with p90x? You're probably burning more calories than you consume which means you'll never gain weight.

    you probably just need to do more research on dieting and exercise.

    you dont need steriods.
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    Jul 16, 2011 8:27 AM GMT
    Samm77 said
    If you dont' like steroids, that's fine.. Don't use them. But if someone else wants to and they're not going to take no for an answer.. Then don't talk down to them because you feel you're better than they are or that they're somehow bad people for wanting to change their image. If you're taking that stance, why not down or yell at all the people wanting to go through transgender treatement or why aren't you barking about women getting implants? (Granted it's legal, but if that's you're only argument.. well then we don't have anything to discuss really).


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    Yes, Samm...What you said. I completely agree. Most people who are preaching against steroids have never used them. People buy into the mob mentality that all steroid use is bad for you; that simply is not the case.
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    Jul 16, 2011 9:09 AM GMT
    Trocks797 said
    ZbmwM5 saidSide effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles



    Hah, where are you getting this info man? Irreversible? Are you kidding me?

    Both of those issues can occur ON cycle. The PCT (post cycle therapy) takes care of those. Your balls start up again and the estrogen (causing the gynecomastia) is lowered back to normal levels. Do your research before preaching on here.


    Personally I don't care if someone uses or not. But if you were actually right, Trocks, I wouldn't be learning how to operate on roidheads trying to get rid if their butch tits. Do your own research before you put someone down, eh?
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    Jul 16, 2011 10:16 AM GMT
    Artesin saidso been having a couple issues in regards to building the size that I want. Generally I always eat right and take in around 2.6k calories a day, no sugar, bad fats, or simple carbs. I was so fed up at the gym that I decided to take it easy and try p90x, although I push myself to the max and even do a few compound lifts before starting the workouts I dont seem to be reaching the desired effects.

    Ive always been lean and on the side of a low bodyfat, which is always under 10%, seems to be more of a family trait.

    However I do have trouble breaking through plateaus and keeping the endurance levels up. ive been stuck at 165 for max bench, which is with the bar included and that happens to be my body weight. So Im not really too sure how I can keep pushing, considering ive been this weight for 4 years now, basically a mirror image of my high school self, i may have been way ahead then but Im not scaling properly at this point.

    Granted I dont want to be huge but I would like to be around the 185 lb-200lb range which would mean gaining another twenty or thirty.

    So ive decided to look into a different road in the form of steroid courses. Ive heard that you balance different types and go through cycles then theres relatively little risk to other areas if one does it properly. Can anyone support this claim, or even if you have experience advise me? Messaging is fine.



    It's funny how most people say they're doing everything right and have no choice but to go on roids, when they're actually doing it all wrong. (not trying to be rude, it really is just funny)

    1. You aren't eating NEAR enough calories. You also need to make sure your calories are coming from good, high-quality food sources. No crap.

    2. P90x is great for getting lean and preserving/gaining (very little) muscle mass, but it's not going to be spectacular for putting on tons of mass. You would have to tweak the workouts and the nutrition plan a bit for that.

    Go online and figure out your BMR and daily caloric intake calculators. They aren't exact, but they'll give you a good ball-park estimate. Use trial and error to figure out how many calories work for you from there.
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    Jul 16, 2011 1:19 PM GMT
    ZbmwM5 saidlol, its both shocking and embarrassing how many people speak up in support of juicing.

    That must be why its banned in all sports.

    Must also be why its a controlled substance - because its good for you to use at your own discretion, "if you know what you're doing."

    Not everyone who tries crystal meth gets addicted or ends up in jail overnight.... so thats your best argument for justifying its use?? haha.

    Yes.... I stick with my opinion, even if it makes you defensive, and even if it makes me seem condescending to you. The whole thing is sad.

    "I could have a case of body dismorphic issues but i know that when i look in the mirror i want to see something bigger. That's my choice. It doesn't say anything about my personality, about how nice I am about how kind i am either. It only says that i want to get bigger."

    icon_rolleyes.gif ... Psychology is not that simple. Body dysmoprhia is not that simple. You can try to simplify your behaviors to whatever you want.... but there are a million reasons why we all do the things we do. This is like saying that Anorexics dont eat because they just want to be thin. icon_question.gificon_question.gif. It has nothing to do with emotional control, or a million other causes that are commonly at the root of anorexia, right?? Nothing at all.

    Body Dysmorphic disorder is equally complex... dont try to dumb it down to "I just want to be bigger." Ok... so you want to get bigger? Why? Answer that and we might be getting somewhere. Having a body image problem may not make you mean or kind, and it is not the entirety of who you are. But clearly there are underlying reasons for wanting to be big, thin... especially when we talk about going to such extremes to achieve such a goal.


    a) I'm not getting all defensive, if i was you'd see a bunch of name calling icon_smile.gif
    b) I'm not justifying it, what i am saying is that you throwing all those side effects around saying basically that it's going to happen to everyone that does juice is incorrect and to do some research on it, that's all.

    c) I've not done any juicing yet and im doing it the hard way of trying to build naturally with out the assistance of steroids. I'm at 170 and im very proud of that. However, my want and need to get bigger is just that. It's a want and need to get bigger. It maybe body dismorphia that when i look in the mirror i still see my 135lb self. It may not be. I eat around 5.5-6k calories a day which is where i need to be in order to be gaining. yet it's been the hardest thing for me. I'm very impatient as this is only my second year and i've went from 135 to 170. However, i've hovered here for months and i can't break the 170 mark. I understand the idea behind taking steriods. I don't judge people for wanting to take them which is what your condesending tone seems like whenever you talk about steroids.

    As i said before if you're only going to take the route of them being illegal we have nothing to discuss really because that's the only thing you seem to be barking about.

    IF someone is not intaking enough calories, then yes that should be stated which is exactly what Gaydar did in a very nice and positive manner. The OP is more inclined to listen to good positive advice rather than one badgering him and judging him for his thoughts.

    I guess all i'm saying is less barking.
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    Jul 16, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    Atesin,
    You need to eat more. Period. Sounds like you are doing other things right.

    According to trainer/diet guru Robb Wolf you should eat a gram of protein, real protein, not from powder, for every pound you wish your body weight to be. If you want to be 180 pounds, eat 180 grams of protein. This is challenging and expensive. I've roughly calculated you need to eat about 200 grams of cooked meat per meal to get that much protein. A little kitchen digital scale makes it easy to calculate this. Make huge quantities of meat and live off of it for days.

    Also, eat a lot more good fat, like olive oil and coconut oil. You need the calories and the health benefits. Shop around for a store that has good deals on this stuff and pour it on everything.

    If your goal is great health, the good looks will come with it, and you'l feel better about yourself on both accounts.

    Not only are steroids damaging to your body, the willingness to risk your health in order to look better is psychologically damaging. Good looks will eventually fade no matter what you do. If that is what truly matters, you will eventually be left with an empty shell.
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    Jul 16, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    Before you run to steroids, you should truly reevaluate your training methods. You're not lifting or eating properly to gain muscle, period. P90X is a great plan to get lean, but you're not going to gain the amount of muscle that you want.

    *rant ahead*
    Furthermore, the entire steroid phenomenon combines with the epic sense of entitlement that everyone has to "get rick quick", "get muscle quick", get everything done quickly. It takes time, patience, and dedication to the gym to get the build that you want. Before you take something which has significant side effects (even if you do it "right"), you should exhaust all other possibilities.
    *rant over*

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    I'm fortunate enough that I can put on muscle easily ... I also eat like a horse to properly feed my body the materials that I need to build muscle. Having said that, eating like a horse produces the EPIC battle to become and stay lean. It's a battle, but when I'm successful, it feels even better because I have busted my ass to make it happen.
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    bryanc_74 said
    Trocks797 said
    ZbmwM5 saidSide effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles



    Hah, where are you getting this info man? Irreversible? Are you kidding me?

    Both of those issues can occur ON cycle. The PCT (post cycle therapy) takes care of those. Your balls start up again and the estrogen (causing the gynecomastia) is lowered back to normal levels. Do your research before preaching on here.


    Personally I don't care if someone uses or not. But if you were actually right, Trocks, I wouldn't be learning how to operate on roidheads trying to get rid if their butch tits. Do your own research before you put someone down, eh?


    Sure, those who don't do the cycle and supporting supplements properly will have lingering issues like bitch tits. If they knew what they were doing when they roided up, you wouldn't have many people to operate on.
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    Jul 19, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    ZbmwM5 saidNegative Effects Of Steroids In Men: Physiologic and Psychological

    Physiological Effects


    Side effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles

    Side effects of anabolic steroids that may be reversible include:

    Decreased sperm production
    AcceIerated baldness
    Decreased testosterone levels
    Elevation of cholesterol
    Liver tumors
    High blood pressure
    Acne
    Liver dysfunction

    Psychological Side Effects Of Anabolic Steroids:

    Irritability
    Depression
    Mood swings
    Addiction
    Mania
    Psychosis
    Excessive aggressiveness


    Can you site your sources? Also different steroids have different effects and side effects are you coupling up all the side effects of all A. Steroids and calling them one thing?
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 19, 2011 2:02 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidNot to call you stupid but....

    You think your going to do that on 2.6K calories

    Given a sedentary male, someone who drives to an office and sits all day needs 2.5K calories....if you're doing anything physical in your daily life and then on top of that hitting the gym extraneously...

    only eating 100 calories more than if you would need sitting on your ass all day I'd be surprised if your not loosing weight... and you'll still be loosing weight no matter what you inject into your butt

    You really out to pick up a physiology/metabolic biochem medical text book or even a fitness magazine and read before you start messing with yourself medically


    I think your numbers are way off. You don't need that many calories to be a sedentary male.
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    Jul 19, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
    bryanc_74 said
    Trocks797 said
    ZbmwM5 saidSide effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles



    Hah, where are you getting this info man? Irreversible? Are you kidding me?

    Both of those issues can occur ON cycle. The PCT (post cycle therapy) takes care of those. Your balls start up again and the estrogen (causing the gynecomastia) is lowered back to normal levels. Do your research before preaching on here.


    Personally I don't care if someone uses or not. But if you were actually right, Trocks, I wouldn't be learning how to operate on roidheads trying to get rid if their butch tits. Do your own research before you put someone down, eh?


    Some A. Steriods don't aromatise (sp?) and don't cause an increase in Estrogens.
  • Vaughn

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    Jul 19, 2011 6:33 AM GMT
    bryanc_74 said
    Trocks797 said
    ZbmwM5 saidSide effects of anabolic steroids that are irreversible include:

    Breast enlargement in men
    Atrophy of the testicles



    Hah, where are you getting this info man? Irreversible? Are you kidding me?

    Both of those issues can occur ON cycle. The PCT (post cycle therapy) takes care of those. Your balls start up again and the estrogen (causing the gynecomastia) is lowered back to normal levels. Do your research before preaching on here.


    Personally I don't care if someone uses or not. But if you were actually right, Trocks, I wouldn't be learning how to operate on roidheads trying to get rid if their butch tits. Do your own research before you put someone down, eh?


    It goes away naturally and there are pills that can prevent/help get rid of it. Do more research, preferably on any forum discussing steroids. I never came across any scholarly articles while I was researching it.
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    Jul 19, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Vaughn said

    I think your numbers are way off. You don't need that many calories to be a sedentary male.


    Afraid not that's a very standard quoted fact average male needs 2,500 an average female needs 2000

    If need verification you can go to

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/calorie-calculator

    A completly inactive 5' 11 20 year old male of 165lbs needs 2225, very light activity 2450, normal activity 2700, very active 3150
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 19, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidStarting steroids at the age of twenty is not a good idea.




    Starting Steroids at ANY age is NOT a good idea