Has the G.O.P. gone insane?

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    Jul 15, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    Complete column can be read at http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/opinion/15krugman.html?ref=opinion

    Getting to Crazy
    By PAUL KRUGMAN

    "... A number of commentators seem shocked at how unreasonable Republicans are being. 'Has the G.O.P. gone insane?' they ask.

    "Why, yes, it has. But this isn’t something that just happened, it’s the culmination of a process that has been going on for decades. ...

    "Let’s talk for a minute about what Republican leaders are rejecting.

    "President Obama has made it clear that he’s willing to sign on to a deficit-reduction deal that consists overwhelmingly of spending cuts, and includes draconian cuts in key social programs, up to and including a rise in the age of Medicare eligibility. These are extraordinary concessions. As The Times’s Nate Silver points out, the president has offered deals that are far to the right of what the average American voter prefers — in fact, if anything, they’re a bit to the right of what the average Republican voter prefers!

    "Yet Republicans are saying no. Indeed, they’re threatening to force a U.S. default, and create an economic crisis, unless they get a completely one-sided deal. And this was entirely predictable.

    "First of all, the modern G.O.P. fundamentally does not accept the legitimacy of a Democratic presidency — any Democratic presidency. ...

    "As a result, Republicans are automatically against anything the president wants, even if they have supported similar proposals in the past. ...

    "Put it this way: If a Republican president had managed to extract the kind of concessions on Medicare and Social Security that Mr. Obama is offering, it would have been considered a conservative triumph. But when those concessions come attached to minor increases in revenue, and more important, when they come from a Democratic president, the proposals become unacceptable plans to tax the life out of the U.S. economy."
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    Jul 15, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
    In a word, Yes.
  • rnch

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    Jul 15, 2011 11:04 AM GMT
    the GOP is in one hale of a fix, of their own creation, no less.

    if they compromise (as they darn well should!) the "radical right"/tea baggers will do their best to destroy the party.

    if the do NOT compromise they will face the wrath of the majoirty of the American voters for quite some time in the future.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 15, 2011 11:19 AM GMT
    You know what ? ,,,,, in a way it serves them right for hooking their wagon onto that Crazy train called the Teaparty Circus

    Because they ARE crazy .... I have never in my life seen people who are hell bent on ruining an economy rather than do what is best for the country and AT LEAST compromise on letting the Bush Tax cuts expire
    Sad thing is that it's going to take Social Security checks not coming out or our bond rating to be downgraded before people start coming out of their houses with pitchforks and vote these nutjobs out
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    Jul 15, 2011 11:27 AM GMT
    GQjock saidYou know what ? ,,,,, in a way it serves them right for hooking their wagon onto that Crazy train called the Teaparty Circus

    Because they ARE crazy .... I have never in my life seen people who are hell bent on ruining an economy rather than do what is best for the country and AT LEAST compromise on letting the Bush Tax cuts expire
    Sad thing is that it's going to take Social Security checks not coming out or our bond rating to be downgraded before people start coming out of their houses with pitchforks and vote these nutjobs out

    Much of the tea party folks want fiscal restraint though some go too far. You and your ilk would turn this country into another Greece. Your malignancy is going down to defeat as liberalism has been proven a complete failure in many countries.
  • rnch

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    Jul 15, 2011 11:36 AM GMT
    unless they develop some flexability and compromise in time to avoid ruining our country; one month from now the GOP will cease to be a legitimate political party choice for most American voters.


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    Jul 15, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    rnch saidunless they develop some flexability and compromise in time to avoid ruining our country; one month from now the GOP will cease to be a legitimate political party choice for most American voters.
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    Only in your wildest dreams. Look at the poll numbers and the latest ones are reflective of the current issues.
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    Jul 15, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidYou know what ? ,,,,, in a way it serves them right for hooking their wagon onto that Crazy train called the Teaparty Circus

    Because they ARE crazy .... I have never in my life seen people who are hell bent on ruining an economy rather than do what is best for the country and AT LEAST compromise on letting the Bush Tax cuts expire
    Sad thing is that it's going to take Social Security checks not coming out or our bond rating to be downgraded before people start coming out of their houses with pitchforks and vote these nutjobs out

    Much of the tea party folks want fiscal restraint though some go too far. You and your ilk would turn this country into another Greece. Your malignancy is going down to defeat as liberalism has been proven a complete failure in many countries.


    Honey, you're not Cassandra. Your Greece analogy is wearing really thin. There are huge differences between the US and Greece starting with the Euro, which makes the comparison moot.

    And on nearly every issue, the majority of Americans are to the left of the Tea Party and the Republican Party.
  • rnch

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    Jul 15, 2011 12:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rnch saidunless they develop some flexability and compromise in time to avoid ruining our country; one month from now the GOP will cease to be a legitimate political party choice for most American voters.
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    Only in your wildest dreams. Look at the poll numbers and the latest ones are reflective of the current issues.




    your poll numbers are out-of-date.

    as well as being wrong.
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    Jul 15, 2011 12:04 PM GMT
    rnch said
    socalfitness said
    rnch saidunless they develop some flexability and compromise in time to avoid ruining our country; one month from now the GOP will cease to be a legitimate political party choice for most American voters.
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    Only in your wildest dreams. Look at the poll numbers and the latest ones are reflective of the current issues.

    your poll numbers are out-of-date.

    as well as being wrong.

    Yesterday is out of date? And Gallup is wrong because you don't like what they indicate????? Silly boy.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 15, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
    Thanks for this... clearly correct.
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    Jul 15, 2011 1:39 PM GMT
    Absolutely correct. Amazing how many in the GOP are so out of touch with reality. See it alot with the RJ conservatives here too.
  • rnch

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    Jul 15, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThanks for this... clearly correct.
    paul krugman's page always makes me think...and frequently agree.
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    Jul 15, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIn a word, Yes.



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    Jul 15, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidAbsolutely correct. Amazing how many in the GOP are so out of touch with reality. See it alot with the RJ conservatives here too.





    Indeed.
    A prime example is the delusional socal.
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    Jul 15, 2011 6:59 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    catfish5 saidAbsolutely correct. Amazing how many in the GOP are so out of touch with reality. See it alot with the RJ conservatives here too.

    Indeed.
    A prime example is the delusional socal.

    Seems to be the best you can come up with, especially after I fact-checked your BS history.
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    Jul 15, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 said
    catfish5 saidAbsolutely correct. Amazing how many in the GOP are so out of touch with reality. See it alot with the RJ conservatives here too.

    Indeed.
    A prime example is the delusional socal.

    Seems to be the best you can come up with, especially after I fact-checked your BS history.




    Oh, dear.
    Have you lost your mind?
    What on Earth are you babbling about?
    YOU fact check me?
    LOL!
    You must have confused me with someone else.
    We all know how confused you get sometimes.
  • rnch

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    Jul 15, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    lord piffle has spoken to us, the "great unwashed masses", rick!

    his ducal proclamations should not be confused/taken as/interpreted as "Real World" correct, hard facts.



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    Jul 15, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
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    “Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.”--GBS

    I think "progress" is relative.
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    Jul 15, 2011 8:06 PM GMT
    Has the G.O.P. gone insane?

    Yes.
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    Jul 15, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
    In not at all unrelated news - the looming debt crisis has pushed the Canadian dollar to over $1.04 US icon_exclaim.gif


    Canadian tourists are loving the stonewalling of the Republicans guys when we cross the border to go shopping.icon_biggrin.gif