Schumer to Democrats on Fox News: either mouth the party line or cease and desist from identifying yourself as a Democrat

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    Jul 17, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    Just to put this in context, several on RJ like to refer to the Republican party as "imploding" when differences among Republicans are known. Examples:

    Top Republican: House Conservatives Will Not Support McConnell Debt 'Cop-Out'

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/17/top-republican-house-conservatives-will-not-support-mcconnell-debt-cop-out/

    As another example, the Republican news conference a few days ago was delayed because they were getting a detailed PowerPoint presentation. According to reports, they were having problems with many of the Freshman Representatives who opposed raising the debt ceiling at all. The analysis showed that failure to do so would lead to draconian impacts. Sounds as though that analysis brought some realism to them, and the Republican plans that were discussed later all included raising the ceiling.

    Differing opinions do not sit well with Democrats, however.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/11/senator-schumer-offers-his-take-on-obligations-and-responsibilities-fox-news/

    ...The New York senator argued with great passion that Democrats on Fox News have an obligation, and indeed a responsibility, to stick to the Party line as outlined and articulated by himself and his colleagues, otherwise, in his view, they no longer should be called "Democrats" and should not identify themselves as members of the Party either.

    ...He said that under the circumstances, (ie: appearing as a Democrat on Fox News) there was no choice if one wanted to be a Democrat--either mouth the party line or cease and desist from identifying yourself as a Democrat. -- And at the very least, make sure that Fox News does not characterize you as a Democrat.

    ...Right now, because Democratic liberals have effectively taken over the party and marginalized centrists such as myself [Schoen], the base has been narrowed to effectively both coasts of the United States....

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    As an aside, I did not copy the entire article by Schoen, but I think it is an excellent perspective. I have voted for Democratic candidates for Congress, Senate, and Calif Governor several times in the past. If the Democrats were to embrace more centrists, not just with lip service, than there would be an alternative if a particular Republican candidate were not appealing for any reason. The way the Democratic Party is today, that is hard to do.
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    Jul 17, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    This is actually not difficult to understand.

    When my words are attributed to the "chairman of AIDSPEI," I am an ambassador of the whole, and it is assumed the views I am expressing are those of the group. in that capacity I must only speak as they direct.

    When speaking as an individual, I can speak my mind - but it must be clear to listeners in which capacity I am speaking.


    I am always free to say what I like, but I am ultimately responsible for ensuring the audience knows in which capacity I speak.


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    Jul 17, 2011 5:39 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidThis is actually not difficult to understand.

    When my words are attributed to the "chairman of AIDSPEI," I am an ambassador of the whole, and it is assumed the views I am expressing are those of the group. in that capacity I must only speak as they direct.

    When speaking as an individual, I can speak my mind - but it must be clear to listeners in which capacity I am speaking.


    I am always free to say what I like, but I am ultimately responsible for ensuring the audience knows in which capacity I speak.

    It is very clear that the commentators are representing their own viewpoints and are not official spokesmen of their party.
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    Jul 17, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
    So your comment abut differing opinions not being permitted in the Party is not true.

    "at the very least ...ensure that FOX news does not identify them as [such].

    You cannot deny they do tend to misrepresent the Democratic Party often -- (usually calling it the Democrat Party) so the caution is valid to ensure FOX does not insist on introducing Democrat _____ so and so - as part of propaganda disinformation.




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    Jul 17, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidSo your comment abut differing opinions not being permitted in the Party is not true.

    "at the very least ...ensure that FOX news does not identify them as [such].

    You cannot deny they do tend to misrepresent the Democratic Party often -- (usually calling it the Democrat Party) so the caution is valid to ensure FOX does not insist on introducing Democrat _____ so and so - as part of propaganda disinformation.

    Sorry but your point has absolutely no validity. None. They have been long-time Democrats, and they are nothing but respectful towards the party. I am not aware that either Schoen or Caddell have ever referred to the party in the sometimes considered pejorative, "Democrat Party". The point is to them and many moderates, they do not misrepresent their party unless it is defined that their party no longer includes moderates.
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    Jul 17, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
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    Upper_Canadian saidSo your comment abut differing opinions not being permitted in the Party is not true.

    "at the very least ...ensure that FOX news does not identify them as [such].

    You cannot deny they do tend to misrepresent the Democratic Party often -- (usually calling it the Democrat Party) so the caution is valid to ensure FOX does not insist on introducing Democrat _____ so and so - as part of propaganda disinformation.

    Sorry but your point has absolutely no validity. None. They have been long-time Democrats, and they are nothing but respectful towards the party. I am not aware that either Schoen or Caddell have ever referred to the party in the sometimes considered pejorative, "Democrat Party". The point is to them and many moderates, they do not misrepresent their party unless it is defined that their party no longer includes moderates.



    cute.

    You know I refer to FOX that misinforms and misrespresents - not the Democrats being so used , therefore it is a pre-emptive move to counter FOX's (Murdoch's) ual tactics of bringing on "puppet" "Democrats" whom they purport to represent "party insiders." regardless of their place, as long as what they say suits the Murdoch narrative.



    (see what I did there ? I fthe "liberal media" were to take a page from the Murdoch playbook, Murdoch's name will be used more often when referring to the Murdoch network.

    er, FOX News.


    It will be much more effective than "Faux News"

    Murdoch --- Madoff --- they both create a visceral response.

    FOX will be frequently referred to as Murdoch's - to direct public revulsion at Murdoch to his propaganda machinery.
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    Jul 17, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
    As usual, nothing to see here.

    What Schumer is saying is that someone like Cordell - who is a) not a Democrat if he's a paid contributor to Fox News and b) not an elected member of the party (e.g. a representative or senator), should not appear on a known propaganda outlet and mislead (because that's what it is) the audience into believing that he represents the party.

    It's the equivalent of me going on, well, there's no equivalent on the left to what Faux News is on the Right, but let's say MSNBC, being identified as a Republican strategist and disagreeing with Mitch McConnell or John Boehner.

    Would you like that? icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 18, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    Hey Upper_Canadian, out here people are already calling it Murdoch News instead of Fox News.
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    Jul 18, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    meninlove said Hey Upper_Canadian, out here people are already calling it Murdoch News instead of Fox News.




    I've been hearing that too.
    And it's absolutely fair.
    Fox "News" is part of a much wider group of pro-right-wing propaganda outlets disguised as news outlets.
    All grouped together or singly - they're best described as Murdoch News.
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    Jul 18, 2011 3:40 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    What Schumer is saying is that someone like Cordell - who is a) not a Democrat if he's a paid contributor to Fox News and b) not an elected member of the party (e.g. a representative or senator), should not appear on a known propaganda outlet and mislead (because that's what it is) the audience into believing that he represents the party.

    It's the equivalent of me going on, well, there's no equivalent on the left to what Faux News is on the Right, but let's say MSNBC, being identified as a Republican strategist and disagreeing with Mitch McConnell or John Boehner.

    Would you like that? icon_lol.gif


    Is Pat Buchanan a Republican?


    Pat Buchanan is not identified as a Republican on MSNBC. And when he ran for office he did so on the Conservative Party line not the Republican.