Obama supports Repeal of DOMA

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    Jul 19, 2011 8:30 PM GMT
    Symbolic (since nothing is going to pass the House), but better than nothing.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-supports-repeal-of-defense-of-marriage-act-20110719The president has "long called for a legislative appeal for the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which continues to have a real impact on families," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at Tuesday's briefing. He said the president "is proud" to support the Respect for Marriage Act, "which would take the Defense of Marriage Act off the books for once and for all."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/obama-defense-of-marriage-gay-rights_n_903680.html
    Feinstein's legislation has 27 co-sponsors, but not a single Republican. With the GOP in control of the House, she understands the political realities of repealing the bill anytime soon.
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    Jul 19, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    More "evolution" of the President's PUBLIC stance on gay marriage.

    This is about as far as he can safely go until after he gets reelected.
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    Jul 19, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    BIG NEWS!!!icon_biggrin.gif
  • calibro

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    Jul 20, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    yeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    I agree, he's playing his hand to obtain as many votes as possible for re-election. Should he want to squash DOMA or do anything productive about immigration or the budget, he would have.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
    johnk01850 saidI agree, he's playing his hand to obtain as many votes as possible for re-election. Should he want to squash DOMA or do anything productive about immigration or the budget, he would have.


    As if he was king. icon_lol.gif
    You do know we live with a divided government?
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    Would someone please tell me why Pres. Clinton endorsed DOMA? Thanks.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:39 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?


    What are you talking about? The DOJ just last week appealed the 9th circuit's court ruling.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/more-legal-maneuvering-in-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal/
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?


    What are you talking about? The DOJ just last week appealed the 9th circuit's court ruling.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/more-legal-maneuvering-in-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal/


    But your initial statement should be talking about DOMA (the "it" in your statement), no? I'm not talking about DADT.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    BuddyinNYC saidWould someone please tell me why Pres. Clinton endorsed DOMA? Thanks.

    It's called evolution. Actually, more like antigenic drift. icon_lol.gif
    DOMA from wikipediaIn a June 1996 interview in the gay and lesbian magazine The Advocate, Clinton said: "I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered."[18] He did not mention the issue in his 2004 autobiography.[19] Over time, Clinton's personal views on same-sex marriage shifted. In July 2009 he said "I personally support people doing what they want to do. I think it's wrong for someone to stop someone else from doing that [gay marriage]."[20] Clinton added that he personally supports same-sex marriage but does not believe it is a "federal question", stating, "I think all these states that do it should do it."[21]
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?


    What are you talking about? The DOJ just last week appealed the 9th circuit's court ruling.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/more-legal-maneuvering-in-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal/


    But your initial statement should be talking about DOMA (the "it" in your statement), no? I'm not talking about DADT.


    yeah, and i'm saying obama is a hypocrite. so despite him saying the doj won't defend it, watch them reverse course.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?


    What are you talking about? The DOJ just last week appealed the 9th circuit's court ruling.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/more-legal-maneuvering-in-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal/


    But your initial statement should be talking about DOMA (the "it" in your statement), no? I'm not talking about DADT.


    yeah, and i'm saying obama is a hypocrite. so despite him saying the doj won't defend it, watch them reverse course.


    But that's no way to assign blame. You can't blame somebody of already having done something when they haven't done it yet. If that is the case, everybody is a criminal. Wouldn't it make more sense to blame the people who are ALREADY defending DOMA, i.e. the Republicans?

    There have been cases already in the current courts that the DOJ had ample opportunity to defend DOMA. E.g.
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/06/14/Bankruptcy_Court_Says_DOMA_is_Unconstitutional/
    http://metroweekly.com/poliglot/2011/07/doj-court-should-not-dismiss-k.html
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    BuddyinNYC saidWould someone please tell me why Pres. Clinton endorsed DOMA? Thanks.

    It's called evolution. Actually, more like antigenic drift. icon_lol.gif
    DOMA from wikipediaIn a June 1996 interview in the gay and lesbian magazine The Advocate, Clinton said: "I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered."[18] He did not mention the issue in his 2004 autobiography.[19] Over time, Clinton's personal views on same-sex marriage shifted. In July 2009 he said "I personally support people doing what they want to do. I think it's wrong for someone to stop someone else from doing that [gay marriage]."[20] Clinton added that he personally supports same-sex marriage but does not believe it is a "federal question", stating, "I think all these states that do it should do it."[21]


    Wow.
    Thanks q1w2e3 !
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro said
    q1w2e3 said
    calibro saidyeah, but just wait until the federal courts strike it down and his administration decides to challenge the ruling like they did with don't ask, don't tell. this is just a ploy to get money from gays.


    I'm sorry, but you've probably heard that even now, the DOJ is not defending DOMA? As opposed to the special counsel that the House has hired?


    What are you talking about? The DOJ just last week appealed the 9th circuit's court ruling.

    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/more-legal-maneuvering-in-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal/


    But your initial statement should be talking about DOMA (the "it" in your statement), no? I'm not talking about DADT.


    yeah, and i'm saying obama is a hypocrite. so despite him saying the doj won't defend it, watch them reverse course.


    But that's no way to assign blame. You can't blame somebody of already having done something when they haven't done it yet. If that is the case, everybody is a criminal. Wouldn't it make more sense to blame the people who are ALREADY defending DOMA, i.e. the Republicans?


    the republicans make no illusions of advancing gay rights. if you pick up a snake and get bit it's your own fault. the difference is that obama presents himself as friendly to gays all the time when the truth is time and time again he has shown himself to be all talk and politics. his contributions are minimal and he takes credit for congress' advances that he never fought for. if he were really against Don't Ask, he would've stopped the military from their trials in a temporary fix to halt the investigations. Obama is a douche bag.
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    Jul 20, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    I see, so you would rather have a venomous snake than a weasel. I actually think weasels' reputations are much maligned. icon_lol.gif
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    q1w2e3 said
    johnk01850 saidI agree, he's playing his hand to obtain as many votes as possible for re-election. Should he want to squash DOMA or do anything productive about immigration or the budget, he would have.


    As if he was king. icon_lol.gif
    You do know we live with a divided government?


    clearly...
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    Jul 20, 2011 1:12 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI see, so you would rather have a venomous snake than a weasel. I actually think weasels' reputations are much maligned. icon_lol.gif
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    neither, but i'm not championing a weasel for being a weasel.