Haboob--sign of Muslim infiltration

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    Jul 22, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    http://thinkprogress.org/‘Haboob’ Hubbub: Arizonans Protest Common Meteorological Term As Evidence Of Muslim Infiltration | The dictionary defines a “haboob” as a thick dust storm that blows in deserts. Arizonans, however, define a “haboob” as a jihadist harbringer of Muslim infiltration. Hearing local weathermen call Arizona’s recent massive dust storms by a term they’ve used “for decades,” one Arizona resident said, “I am insulted that local TV news crews are now calling this kind of storm a haboob. [...] How do they think our soldiers feel coming back to Arizona and hearing some Middle Eastern term,” he demanded. And if this is suddenly the guiding principle on acceptable vocabulary, Arizonans should eye words like algebra, pajamas, khaki, coffee, giraffe, lemon, orange, mattress, zero, and alcohol with suspicion.
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:14 PM GMT
    we have called them dust storms since i was a kid.
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    Not just any dust storm but it has a specific mechanism (see the wikipedia entry for pictures from US locations).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaboobA haboob (Arabic هبوب, "strong wind") is a type of intense sandstorm commonly observed in arid regions throughout the world. They have been observed in the Sahara desert (typically Sudan), as well as across the Arabian Peninsula, throughout Kuwait, and in the most arid regions of Iraq.[1] African haboobs result from the northward summer shift of the inter-tropical front into North Africa, bringing moisture from the Gulf of Guinea. Haboob winds in the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq, and Kuwait are frequently created by the collapse of a thunderstorm. The arid and semiarid regions of North America – in fact, any dryland region – may experience haboobs. In the USA, they are frequently observed in the deserts of Arizona, including Yuma and Phoenix,[2][3] as well as New Mexico and Texas.[4]


    There are Turkish kebabs and there are American kebabs. Think of the one in Phoenix as an American haboob. icon_lol.gif
    http://www.weather.com/blog/weather/8_9626.html
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:25 PM GMT
    BTW, my point is that just like we shouldn't view zero or algebra as "Muslim" terms, we shouldn't rail against a specific meterological term that the Arabs have described centuries before we did.
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    Jul 23, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie-halper/words-arabic-origin_b_907370.htmlSadly, the linguistic attacks on our culture are not limited to meteorology. Words of Arabic origin infiltrate our vocabulary more than we would like to think. In solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Arizona who are fighting to keep our language free of foreign influence, I have singled out 10 words of Arabic origin and offered good old fashioned American language names for them. Of course this list of 10 is not exhaustive but just representative grains of sand in the vast infidel Arabian desert that threatens to replace our American homeland. My fellow Americans, let us speak American!

    Scarlet: the color of the letter that whore was forced to wear in that boring movie that was turned into an even more boring book and which Nancy Pelosi should be forced to wear
    Orange: the beautiful hue of House Speaker John Boehner's glowing soft as a baby's bottom skin
    Guitar: the instrument Bush borrowed from Mark Wills and played during Katrina
    Loofah: this thing Bill O'Reilly really likes
    Tariff: something related to taxes which we should definitely not raise for the wealthy who create jobs just by trickling
    Safari: a tour of where you get to see but don't have to touch different kinds of natives in Africa
    Serendipity: an awesome movie even if it does star the Communist John Cusack and the Jewish Buddhist Jeremy Piven
    Nadir*: the sad-looking man obsessed with cars who some liberals blame for Bush presidency, even though we all know the Supreme Court vote him in. Thanks again, Antonin.
    Spinach: the thing that health nut hippies who believe in things like fluoride want to force their kids to eat when apple pie is just fine, thank you very much.
    Humus is the food of the enemy and as such must not be eaten, nonetheless spoken! In fact, as New York's MTA implores us, "if you see something, say something" and be sure to report any humus eaters to law enforcement.

    *Nader, Nadir, close enough. Let's be honest -- it's all transliterated anyway.
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    Jul 23, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
    I mean, we all know that all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab.
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    Jul 23, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    Fountains saidI mean, we all know that all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab.


    That goes without saying. A Muslim/Arabic zero is less than an American zero. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 25, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    All I know now that we have had 2 in the past month is that Haboob's are Habitch! icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:56 AM GMT
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    Fountains saidI mean, we all know that all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab.

    That goes without saying. A Muslim/Arabic zero is less than an American zero. icon_lol.gif

    I'll take a Japanese Zero.
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    Jul 26, 2011 3:34 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said
    q1w2e3 said
    Fountains saidI mean, we all know that all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab.

    That goes without saying. A Muslim/Arabic zero is less than an American zero. icon_lol.gif

    I'll take a Japanese Zero.


    In this economy, I think a Chinese zero is worth a lot more than any other zeroes.icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 26, 2011 5:12 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair said

    Fountains says " all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab."
    That is one of those misconception of Arabs and Muslims... Only fewer than 15 percent of Muslims worldwide are Arabs.


    I wasn't being sarcastic at all either.
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    Jul 26, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    Because Pouncer tends to spin the information...

    Here's an unbiased list.

    Rank Country Muslim Population % Muslim
    1 Indonesia 207,000,105 88.20%
    2 Pakistan 159,799,666 97%
    3 India 138,188,240 13.40%
    4 Bangladesh 132,446,365 88%
    5 Egypt 70,530,237 90%
    6 Turkey 70,800,000 99%
    7 Nigeria 64,385,994 45%
    8 Iran 64,089,571 98%
    9 Algeria 32,999,883 99%
    10 Morocco 32,300,410 99%
    11 Afghanistan 31,571,023 99%
    12 Saudi Arabia 26,417,599 100%
    13 Sudan 26,121,865 65%
    14 Iraq 25,292,658 97%
    15 Uzbekistan 23,897,563 89%
    16 Ethiopia 22,533,500 31.20%
    17 Russia 21,513,046 15%
    18 Yemen 20,519,792 99%
    19 China 19,594,707 1.50%
    20 Syria 16,234,901 88%
    21 Malaysia 14,467,694 60.40%
    22 Tanzania 12,868,224 35%
    23 Mali 11,062,376 90%
    24 Niger 10,499,343 90%
    25 Senegal 10,459,222 94%
    26 Tunisia 9,974,201 99%
    27 Somalia 8,548,670 99%
    28 Guinea 8,047,686 85%
    29 Azerbaijan 7,584,311 93.40%
    30 Burkina Faso 7,449,626 52%
    31 Kazakhstan 7,137,346 47%
    32 Tajikistan 6,805,330 95%
    33 Côte d’Ivoire 6,677,043 38.60%
    34 Congo (Kinshasa) 6,008,500 10%
    35 Libya 5,592,596 97%
    36 Jordan 5,471,745 95%
    37 Chad 5,306,266 54%
    38 United States 4,558,068 1.50%
    39 Turkmenistan 4,407,352 89%
    40 Philippines 4,392,873 5%
    41 France 4,214,790 6.90%
    42 Kyrgyzstan 4,117,024 80%
    43 Uganda 4,090,422 15%
    44 Mozambique 3,881,340 20%
    45 Sierra Leone 3,610,585 60%
    46 Ghana 3,364,776 16%
    47 Cameroon 3,276,001 20%
    48 Thailand 3,272,218 5%
    50 Mauritania 3,083,772 99.90%
    51 Germany 3,049,961 3.70%
    52 Oman 2,971,567 99%
    53 Albania 2,004,480 58%
    54 Malawi 2,431,784 20%
    55 Kenya 2,368,071 7%
    56 Eritrea 2,280,799 50%
    57 Serbia and Montenegro 2,274,126 21%
    58 Lebanon 2,142,570 55%
    59 Kuwait 1,985,300 85%
    60 United Arab Emirates 1,948,041 76%
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    Jul 27, 2011 3:16 AM GMT
    Take whatever you want from it. I'm just showing the actual data instead of giving a slice of it to fit an agenda.

    Aptly? I like that. ConfederateGhost...something you probably couldn't even begin to understand.

    Pouncer saidBecause the aptly named "ConfederateGhost" tends not to understand the mathematics of his own list: the population of the top four alone amount to roughly the entirety of the population of the the other 56 combined. Are these top-four nations Arab or Middle-Eastern countries?
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    Jul 27, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    You word it so that it appears we have nothing to worry about in the Middle-East...which is a bald faced lie.




    Pouncer saidAgain, what are you seeking to "contextualize" exactly? Your "data" just reaffirmed what I said. To repeat:

    The population of the top four alone amount to roughly the entirety of the population of the the other 56 combined. Are these top-four nations Arab or Middle-Eastern countries? No.

    Maybe you should try a less "confederate" mode of "logic" in future. Just sayin'.
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    Jul 27, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    Spanish has thousands of words that come from Arabic. Hundreds of them are used in common conversation. After Vulgar Latin, Arabic is the next greatest source of vocabulary in the language. It would be next to impossible to eliminate any of those words in favor of self-coined Neo-Latin words.

    Of course, that's because Spain & Portugal were under Muslim rule for 780 years.

    Watch out!
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    Jul 27, 2011 10:48 PM GMT
    And guess what, "discussion" on Wikipedia about merging the haboob entry into "dust storm" has begun. Thank god most people on there actually realize that haboobs aren't just any old dust or sand storm.
    The relevant political parts (there's more if people are interested):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talkicon_biggrin.gifust_storm#Merge_discussion Oppose merge Please note that the term haboob (as it relates to dust storms) surfaced in the U.S. only after a large dust storm occurred on 5 July 2011 in Phoenix, AZ. Since then, there appears to be an effort by some to incorrectly apply the term to dust storms in general. In addition to the valid points noted above opposing a merge, a haboob is created by winds originating from any direction, whereas dust storms (in southern Arizona, particularly) are caused by seasonal (monsoon) winds originating from a specific direction (east or south). Outside of that season, the wind originates from the west or north. formeat 10:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)(talk)

    Move along, there's nothing to see here. Just some moronic racist right-wing panic about using a loan word from Arabic, see for example these people flailing their arms in rage because The Weather Channel used the correct scientific term. But who am I kidding, science is evil! The world was created in six days!--Boneka (talk) 06:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


    The last entry was priceless. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 28, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    I think your statements speak for themselves as far as what I "assumed".


    Pouncer said
    If you're looking for "Muslims", you'll have better luck going to South and South East Asia, than going to the Middle East.

    If you're looking for the people who carry out the most suicide bombings, you'll be looking for the Kurdish PKK and the Tamil Tigers, not for "Arabs".

    If you're looking for the place where religion (and war) has killed more people than anywhere else in the world, your place to go is Europe, not the "Arab" Middle East.



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    Jul 28, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    Caesarea4 said
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    Fountains saidI mean, we all know that all arabs are muslim and all muslims are arab.

    That goes without saying. A Muslim/Arabic zero is less than an American zero. icon_lol.gif

    I'll take a Japanese Zero.


    In this economy, I think a Chinese zero is worth a lot more than any other zeroes.icon_lol.gif


    Well, ill go straight to the root of the number zero: India ;)

    The concept of zero as a number and not merely a symbol for separation is attributed to India where by the 9th century AD practical calculations were carried out using zero, which was treated like any other number, even in case of division.[10][11] The Indian scholar Pingala (circa 5th-2nd century BC) used binary numbers in the form of short and long syllables (the latter equal in length to two short syllables), making it similar to Morse code.[12][13] He and his contemporary Indian scholars used the Sanskrit word śūnya to refer to zero or void.

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)[/url]
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    Jul 28, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
    I never claimed you were making false statements, but you do put a spin on your information.

    I'm not anti-Muslim or anti-Arab...I'm not sure where you really got that from.

    But to try and direct attention away from the Middle East because there are "more Muslims" living in Southeast Asia is not something I will just let slide. There are gay men, young women, and children who are killed every day in the middle east for not being "obedient" to the theocratic governments. *IF* I have an issue, that is what my issue is with....

    Ultimately - I was just putting unbiased information out there so people could come to their own conclusion over your suggestions.


    Pouncer saidFair enough. Is there a single false statement you can find in what I said? Or is it generally just to "pro" the Muslims/Arabs/terrorists/jihadis for you not to take issue with?
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    Jul 28, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    The correct term in the US is dust storm. End of discussion.
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    Jul 28, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe correct term in the US is dust storm. End of discussion.


    But that's so irredeemably boring isn't it?

    Haboob has a wonderful sound to it. For those (few) of us that care about beautiful language, it's a nice speck of interest.
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    Jul 28, 2011 8:38 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidThe correct term in the US is dust storm. End of discussion.


    But that's so irredeemably boring isn't it?

    Haboob has a wonderful sound to it. For those (few) of us that care about beautiful language, it's a nice speck of interest.


    All haboobs are sandstorms, but not all sandstorms are haboobs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:HaboobRemoved claim that southwestern US haboobs are incorrectly classified as such. Please see the American Meterological Society's glossary listing for "haboob" -- as you can see, there are no geographical constraints to the definition of the term; the term merely describes a type of weather phenomenon, i.e., a large dust or sandstorm produced by the outflow of an outflow-dominant thunderstorm. Digicana 20:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


    http://www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html#HHaboob A dust or sandstorm caused by the downdraft of a desert thunderstorm.