DADT is D-E-A-D

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    Jul 22, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ends-gays-military-ban-203149906.html

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Friday formally signed off on ending the ban on gays serving openly in the military, doing away with a policy that's been controversial from the day it was enacted and making good on his 2008 campaign promise to the gay community.

    The president joined Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Adm. Mike Mullen, the joint chiefs of staff chairman, in signing a notice and sending it to Congress certifying that military readiness would not be hurt by repealing the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    That means that 60 days from now the ban will be lifted.

    "As commander in chief, I have always been confident that our dedicated men and women in uniform would transition to a new policy in an orderly manner that preserves unit cohesion, recruitment, retention and military effectiveness," Obama said in a statement.

    "Today's action follows extensive training of our military personnel and certification by Secretary Panetta and Admiral Mullen that our military is ready for repeal. As of September 20th, service members will no longer be forced to hide who they are in order to serve our country."

    Friday's move was expected under the repeal law Congress passed in December. Before "don't ask, don't tell," the military did not allow gays to serve. But in 1993 Clinton said gays would be discharged only if their sexual orientation became known.

    Repeal has drawn strong opposition from some in Congress, and there was initial reluctance from military leaders who worried it could cause a backlash and erode troop cohesion on the battlefield.

    But two weeks ago, the chiefs of the military services told Panetta that ending the ban would not affect military readiness.

    Advocacy groups that fought for the change called the decision Friday long-overdue, while opponents said it's a political payoff to left-leaning gay and lesbian activists.

    "The president's certification of repeal is a monumental step, not just for those forced to lie in order to serve, but for all Americans who believe in fairness and equality," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese.

    Elaine Donnelly, who heads the Center for Military Readiness, which has lobbied against repeal, said it will "undermine morale and readiness in the all-volunteer force."

    The Pentagon is expected to spend the next 60 days preparing the troops for the change, and ironing out legal and technical details, including how it will affect housing, military transfers and other health and social benefits.

    In most cases, the guidelines require that gays and lesbians be treated like any other member of the military.There will be differences, however. Same sex partners will not get the same housing and other benefits as married couples. Instead, they are more likely to be treated like unmarried couples.

    Once the repeal is final, service members can no longer be discharged for openly acknowledging they are gay. That's the key change. And those who have been discharged previously based solely on the gay ban may apply to re-enter the force.

    Service members may also designate their same-sex partners as beneficiaries for insurance and other benefits — something they may have avoided earlier for fear it would cause their dismissal.

    One of the thornier issues is gay marriage.

    An initial move by the Navy earlier this year to train chaplains about same-sex civil unions in states where they are legal was shelved after more than five dozen Congress members objected.

    The training, lawmakers told Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, violated the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act by appearing to recognize and support same-sex marriages.
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    Jul 22, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    Finally. It did take Obama a while to put this through, but thankfully it happened!

    Good things come to those who wait, I suppose icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 22, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
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    The offical document. What a good day...

    More info at http://www.militaryacceptanceproject.org/
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    Jul 22, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
    Nice getting better every day!icon_biggrin.gif
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Jul 22, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    about damn time...
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    Jul 22, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
    I will be wearing my Navy uniform for this special day. icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 22, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    K3nnymac said207829_248779628480670_203633326328634_9

    The offical document. What a good day...

    More info at http://www.militaryacceptanceproject.org/


    YES!!!
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    Jul 22, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    Good riddance. So far I have not heard of any problems in the Canadian and UK armed forces since they have allowed Gays to serve openly. A fringe benefit has been the appearance of very sexy guys in uniform in the Toronto Pride Parade. icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 22, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    Is that the sound of Duncan Hunter's teeth gnashing I can hear?
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    Jul 22, 2011 11:39 PM GMT
    Is there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.
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    Jul 22, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidIs there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.


    yes i have to agree with you on that True blue. Finally get to stop hearing all the people whine that President Obama hasn't done anything for the gays.

    Now onto more pressing issues like getting our troops home and all this debt
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    Jul 22, 2011 11:49 PM GMT
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    True_blue_aussie saidIs there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.


    yes i have to agree with you on that True blue. Finally get to stop hearing all the people whine that President Obama hasn't done anything for the gays.

    Now onto more pressing issues like getting our troops home and all this debt



    Yeah, because human rights aren't really that important anyways.
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    Oh Troll_blue_aussie...ye of no knowledge, of course there are more pressing issues than repealing DADT...but for so long the GOP has been made blocking gays from serving openly in the military one of their top priorities that the rest of us saw it for what it was. Fight now and have something worth fighting for...or don't fight and begin the slippery slope of losing our rights, liberty by liberty.

    I'm glad this fight is finally over with...now on to the more pressing issues.

    Speaking of pressing issues...aren't there more than a handful you should be shooting off at the mouth over in Australia? Or are you a Pseudo-American?


    True_blue_aussie saidIs there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
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    SmallTOP1953 said
    True_blue_aussie saidIs there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.


    yes i have to agree with you on that True blue. Finally get to stop hearing all the people whine that President Obama hasn't done anything for the gays.

    Now onto more pressing issues like getting our troops home and all this debt



    Yeah, because human rights aren't really that important anyways.


    I certainly didn't mean it like that. I think that we as Americans have made too big of a deal about DADT. I think we could take a lesson from our neighbors to the north. I'm glad that it is repealed and didn't see a reason for it to be in place in the first place.

    The only problem I have heard from friends with the repeal of DADT is that transgender people are still not allowed to serve.
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:35 AM GMT
    The President made good on yet another promise. It may not have happened as quickly as we would have liked, but it happened. Thank you Mr. Obama!

    That being said, there's one more piece to take care of to ensure true equality for our gay and lesbian troops -- DOMA NEEDS TO DIE.
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    ksig121 saidThe President made good on yet another promise. It may not have happened as quickly as we would have liked, but it happened. Thank you Mr. Obama!

    That being said, there's one more piece to take care of to ensure true equality for our gay and lesbian troops -- DOMA NEEDS TO DIE.



    Yes, it does but we are going to have a very difficult time getting that through the House. At the very least it would still be nice to at least have a vote on DOMA repeal so every Senator and Congressperson is on record with the issue.
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    I think the Supreme Court will have to strike it down. I don't see this Congress doing it...
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    Jul 23, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    A good day. An even better one 60 days from today, when the law officially fades into history. I wont have to lie to my peers at work anymore.
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    Jul 23, 2011 2:24 AM GMT
    grovetown1 saidA good day. An even better one 60 days from today, when the law officially fades into history. I wont have to lie to my peers at work anymore.


    Very happy for you, that you will no longer have to lie to your peers at work. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 23, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    True blue Aussie is treading on thin ice by stereotyping that all Chinese eat rice with his statement about the US defaulting on its loans from China. FYI, mr. true blue aussie, not all Chinese eat rice and in the northern regions of China, most people have never seen or tasted rice. The Chinese diet is a lot more diverse than most of the world realizes and that comment about hoping that us Americans like rice can be considered stereotypical and offensive. Bite your tongue and use your brain before making comments.
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    Jul 23, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidIs there not more pressing issues to worry about, Like Obama defaulting on it loan from China, and China taking over the US; I hope you all like rice.


    Okay come on, you should be happy about this! Anything promoting freedom is worth celebrating.

    Comments like this are just completely uncalled.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 23, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    icon_idea.gif I wish Obama would have used as many pens as it takes to send one to every service member discharged under DADT.
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    Jul 23, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    GigoloAssassin said I will be wearing my Navy uniform for this special day. icon_cool.gif


    I will be wearing my Army uniform...in Afghanistan...icon_wink.gificon_cool.gif
  • LJay

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    Jul 23, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    Golly, do you suppose we could set up something like this for civilians now?
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    Jul 24, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    My sergeant and two good friends of mine, both in the army as well took me to the gay bar this weekend icon_smile.gif

    They were all so supportive and awesome. The sergeant that took me is probably the most squared away NCO I have ever met, and I am not just being biased. He is barely 23 (just turned) and is e-6 promo.

    Slowly but surely my unit will find out i'm gay, I don't care to tell them as I see no reason for it to benefit my career, however I won't try and hide it. Hopefully the rest of the unit will be as cool as the people that know now.

    And yay for gay/lesbian servicemembers everywhere.