Eating is a full time job *RANT*

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    Jul 23, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    For me to maintain my size, I have to consume at least 300, preferably 400, grams of protein a day. To gain muscle, I need a little bit more and at least an equal amount of carbs. To maintain size and not gain fat, my strategy has been to try to hit my macronutrients with high protein, moderate carbs, moderate fats.

    But damn... it is like I spend every waking minute shopping for food, cooking food, eating food, or cleaning up from food. I am lucky to make it to the gym.

    I dont need advice, I am just ranting and bitching. I want to maintain my weight (230 lbs @ 5'7") but I want to reduce my BF%. The best way is high protein and cardio, but who has time for cardio with all of this damn eating!!

    Sorry for ranting, but you guys HAVE to know what I am talking about. Any tricks of the muscle game to help me eat without being a catfish? (Catfish eat until they are so big they can only lay on the bottom and eat... too big to swim.)

    PS: On another related subject... I dont want to eat when it is this hot. Makes it harder. Mainly because you have to increase your WATER intake. Every moment in the day I need to be eating or drinking water.
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    Jul 23, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    Your body is telling you it wants to be a different size. Listen to it now, or fight it for years until it totally rebels and you get sick .

    you chose.
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    Jul 23, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    I'm not an expert here, but isn't 400 g of protein / day too much? Sounds like a tremendous amount. And doesn't that much protein overwork your kidneys?
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    Jul 23, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    I would type out something of more substance, but right now I gotta get dinner #1 and #2 going (#2 is leftovers), and start thawing out stuff for dinner #3 and #4 later...and somehow fit a "hot date" in between one of those dinners. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 23, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said

    I need one of those little slaves I can keep chained up in the kitchen...what are they called? --wives?? --no wonder hetro boys get married (god knows it isn't for the conversation --oy vey!!)


    Doesn´t seem to work too well for most of them though... most straights over 30 look terrible
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    Jul 23, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    Only one way to do it... that and keep a drawer full of healthy snacks/protein bars at work

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    Aug 17, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    I totally get this rant. I've been trying hard to bulk up for the past nine months or so. And while I see good results in my body, I know it could be better. But the amount of shopping, cooking, packaging food, and cleaning up is exhausting. Even worse, it's ruined my love affair with food. I LOVE eating as a culinary as well as social experience — but when it becomes simply about consuming enough of the right food, my enthusiasm is gone as fast as my appetite. I have to force myself to eat what I do, and even then I know it's not enough.

    I love ranting about this with people who get it!

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    Aug 17, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    I have to skip out on the gym now because I'm fasting and I can't rip my muscles... I wish i could eat constantly right now!!



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  • Neferti

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    Aug 17, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    Let me let you in a secret bro www.leangains.com.
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    Aug 17, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    Replace "eating" with "fucking the shit out of Chainers over and over again" and then I approve of this sentance...
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    Aug 17, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    Neferti saidLet me let you in a secret bro www.leangains.com.


    I'm not an expert so I'm curious about this one... it seems radical to me, and against everything I've ever read about performance eating. Anybody ever follow this guy's nutrition protocol?


    The summary:
    The Leangains protocol consists of two phases; 16 hours of fasting, followed by 8 hours of feeding. During this period, three meals are usually eaten. Depending on the day, the composition of those meals varies; on workout days, carbs are prioritized before fat, while on rest days fat intake is higher. Protein remains fairly high on all days. That’s a very basic and general description of the protocol I employ; of course, variables change depending on goals, gender, age, body fat and activity levels, but it would be hard to describe it in greater detail without drifting off too far.
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    Aug 17, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    I doubt that you really need that much protein per day to maintain. I'm 19 and thanks to my weirdly slow metabolism and bone structure I'm allowed to be a fatass the size of a house as well as have a lot of muscle mass without necessarily eating twice my body weight in grams of protein. No offense when I say this, but since you're roughly twice my age, I've heard from people that their metabolism slows to a crawl. Therefore, I'm wondering if you really need that much protein to maintain your muscle. That way you can save a lot of time, money and kidney strain.
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    Aug 17, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    DJBoston said
    Neferti saidLet me let you in a secret bro www.leangains.com.


    I'm not an expert so I'm curious about this one... it seems radical to me, and against everything I've ever read about performance eating. Anybody ever follow this guy's nutrition protocol?


    The summary:
    The Leangains protocol consists of two phases; 16 hours of fasting, followed by 8 hours of feeding. During this period, three meals are usually eaten. Depending on the day, the composition of those meals varies; on workout days, carbs are prioritized before fat, while on rest days fat intake is higher. Protein remains fairly high on all days. That’s a very basic and general description of the protocol I employ; of course, variables change depending on goals, gender, age, body fat and activity levels, but it would be hard to describe it in greater detail without drifting off too far.


    Martin has a lot of current research that backs up his methods. My experience, especially when cutting, it is my preferred way of dieting. It's much easier to have a few larger meals during a set time, rather than more smaller meals throughout the day. YMMV but I'm usually never hungry in the morning so I would rather save up those calories for later in the day and evening. There is some research showing that partitioning is better doing intermittent fasting too. if it matters to you too, Martin has tons of documents success stories on his site.
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    Aug 17, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidIf you try this, the first couple of days might be a bit rough. I tend to be hungry in the morning. So the first day of trying this I felt a bit grumpy cuz I love to eat. But a week later I am very happy with this diet.


    I think Martin recommends that instead of making the switch all at once, to do it gradually over a week or two. Move your breakfast back to an hour later each day until you're keeping your first meal at the start of the eight hour window. I found a single dose of ephedrine/caffeine first thing in the morning helped me immensely with making the transition quick and painless.
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    Aug 18, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
    my grocery food has been through the roof this year from all the food Im buying
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    Aug 18, 2011 1:33 AM GMT
    Lostboy said it best.

    Your body is not meant to be 230+ lbs.... You are 5'7" ...

    Losing a little mass is not the end of the world. It will give you more time to enjoy your life and not to waste money on food you only eat to support your size.... like you said... all you do is shop for food, cook food, and clean up.

    When I was on a muscle building diet, I would eat high protein yogurt every morning, eggs (which I dont enjoy), and so much meat that I would be eating it and begin to gag. it was disgusting. Fuck that shit. I eat healthy food, a reasonable amount of protein to support muscle growth (I'm fine with it being slow), and a protein shake to boost what I dont get in the diet. Extremes are for the birds.
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    Aug 20, 2011 9:02 AM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle, it sounds like your real problem is that you need a housekeeper to do the shopping, cooking and cleaning. icon_lol.gif But seriously, your plan is sound. You are clearly getting enough protein. Are your carbs predominantely on low glycemic carbs? Consider this, pro bodybuilders pretty much just eat and train, and you are in that territory, mass-wise. I think this: that your body is using nearly everything you eat just to maintain. Mass from muscle requires a lot of nutrition, even at rest. Bear in mind that protein and carbs have the same caloric content, but that body prefers carbs for energy. It is harder to get the energy out of the protein and it is the protein that maintains and builds the lean muscle mass. You are knowledgeable, therefore I assume you are probably eating at least five or six meals per day (including drinks, in my case), so the only things I can think of for you - and I have a similar problem at a lower weight - are: 1) add a little more protein and drop the carbs a little in your overall diet to make your metabolism work harder, 2) find a way to add a few more calories to your existing meals - maybe with good fats or MCTs (coconut cream is a good source) 3) if you can, schedule in another small meal 4) take the bulk of your carbs in your evening meal. Research has showed that fat loss is easier if you do that. Not much else you can do on the nutrition front. I also agree with your point about water. In hot weather, I guzzle it. Unfortunately, it fills me up and makes eating even more challenging.
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    Aug 20, 2011 9:47 AM GMT
    I'm in LB and ZbmwM5's camp.

    Your body has certain hard limits, and when you strain against those, it WILL let you know.

    Bodybuilders - and in particular, those who seek to become gigantic mass monsters like Dorian Yates, will incur a very steep burden to eat, eat, eat, workout, and eat some more, with a little time left over for pooping and sleeping.

    I'm not casting any judgments on folks who want to be that kind of big - it is a worthier goal than being a couch potato by a long stretch to be certain icon_smile.gif

    But it will take a toll on the body over the long run.

    Some folks have the frame to support the muscle mass (like Bullwinklemoose, for example).

    Others, like me, will never have the raw ability to support that kind of mass. I hope to get up to 190# or so of muscle, and maintain that at around 12-15% bodyfat if I can.

    A robust-boned man like you, AlphaMuscle - I'd say you'd be looking very well at 185 to 205 pounds of lean muscle, and there are ways you could keep most of your strength gains with less mass to have to feed and carry around.

    My two cents. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 21, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
    I've been able to eat about 200/day and it helps alot to have everything prepared. I try to have at least 3-4 days of meals prepared in the fridge. Yeah its time consuming to do it all but it ends up being much easier to just grab n' go.

    Tupperware is your friend.