Rick Perry defends gay marriage in New York

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    Jul 24, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    Rick Perry defended gay marriage legislation passed in New York this year. He cited the 10th Amendment to the Constitution: "If you believe in the 10th Amendment, stay out of their business"
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-perry-defends-ny-gay-marriage-with-10th-amendment-52741/

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    Jul 24, 2011 2:23 AM GMT
    This happens to be be the same "defense" he would make for Texas keeping its anti-sodomy laws, after it's been invalidated by the Supreme Court:
    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statute
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/04/map-has-your-state-banned-sodomyIt's been eight years since the Supreme Court officially knocked down anti-sodomy laws as unconstitutional in Lawrence v. Texas, but Texas' state legislature has thus far refused to remove the law from the books—in large part because most Texas Republicans still support it. In 2010, the state GOP made defense of the anti-sodomy statute part of its platform, calling for the state to effectively ignore the the law of the land: "We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy." Gov. Rick Perry, meanwhile, dismissed the Lawrence decision as the product of "nine oligarchs in robes" (never mind that it was a 6–3 decision).
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    That's a consistent record for states' autonomy you just helped to document.
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:37 AM GMT
    Perry-Karger 2012!!
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    field123 saidRick Perry defended gay marriage legislation passed in New York this year. He cited the 10th Amendment to the Constitution: "If you believe in the 10th Amendment, stay out of their business"
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-perry-defends-ny-gay-marriage-with-10th-amendment-52741/

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    Dude, just because he's for gay marriage doesn't mean you should vote for him! He's a total douche!
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    In what way is he a total douche?
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    Jul 24, 2011 1:03 PM GMT
    Rick Perry is NOT for marriage equality. He stated that it is a states' rights issue and because of that he has no problem with anything another state does whether he agrees or not. He is still on record as being totally against marriage equality.

    Perry wants marriage equality to remain a states rights issue to lessen the chance of it becoming a federal issue and some type of law being forced onto all states.

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    Jul 24, 2011 1:10 PM GMT
    field123 saidRick Perry defended gay marriage legislation passed in New York this year. He cited the 10th Amendment to the Constitution: "If you believe in the 10th Amendment, stay out of their business"
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-perry-defends-ny-gay-marriage-with-10th-amendment-52741/

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    Jul 24, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
    I didn't say he was for marriage equality, himself. I said he defended NY's legislation. This means he wouldn't be for implementing federal definitions of marriage that many other candidates are advocating.
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    So maybe you should amend your title as
    Rick Perry defends states rights

    or

    Rick Perry defends New York's gay marriage law

    or (closer to the real truth)

    Rick Perry acquiesces to New York's gay marriage law AND defends Texas' anti-sodomy law icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    field123 saidThat's a consistent record for states' autonomy you just helped to document.


    The Constitution trumps any law that is contrary to it and was used to strike down the anti-sodomy laws.
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    Jul 24, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    What does that have to do with this? The Constitution has not been used to protect gay marriage yet, so I think granting state legislators that ability is a good thing.

    TX has conformed to the Supreme Court ruling on its antiquated and largely rhetorical anti-sodomy law.
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    Jul 24, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    field123 said
    TX has conformed to the Supreme Court ruling on its antiquated and largely rhetorical anti-sodomy law.


    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statuteIn 2009, the legislature passed an omnibus bill formally repealing more than three-dozen bills that had been ruled unconstitutional by the courts. But the homosexuality statute was pointedly not included in that package. Since the ruling, Farrar and Rep. Garnet Coleman, both Houston Democrats, have launched multiple efforts to get the law repealed, to no avail. Similar bills fell short in 2009 and 2007.


    If you click on the links to the current bills to delete the sodomy language, they are still "in committee."

    Lawrence vs Texas was, um, 8 years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_StatesThree states have yet to repeal anti-homosexual "conduct" laws: Oklahoma, Kansas[4] and Texas.
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    Jul 24, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    The law is now unenforceable, and its unconstitutionality is cited next to it within the TX Penal Code. I agree that it should have been officially removed by now, but it is NOT a real law anymore.

    This is a separate issue from Perry's advocacy of NY's law. Believe it or not, this is actually encouraging news for those of us who are more libertarian-minded. Can you imagine a serious Republican Presidential candidate taking such a stand 20 years ago? ......At least I was glad to see it.

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    Jul 24, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    Perry is consistently for states' rights. He's not "for" gay marriage. He's for Texas having the right NOT to be for gay marriage.

    However, no matter. When we are talking about the rights of the individual, Federal Law will always supersede state law. The issue of gay marriage has been somewhat in a grey area...which is why a flurry of states are making their own statements.

    It's all great and good that libertarians rejoice about something like this. But I am glad we have a federal government and a supreme court to make sure that states don't enact laws that are inconsistent with United States law. It's so obvious in the area of individual rights given our history the last 150 years.

    Anyway, God doesn't like Perry and what he has been doing anyway.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-urges-rick-perry-not-to-run-for-president,20981/

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    Jul 24, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    Actually, he is strongly against Gay Marriage. However, he does support State Rights. He believes in State Rights so much, he said that he supports New York's decision to legalize Gay Marriage. I mean, this is a guy that still believes in reinstating sodomy laws, even after the Lawrence vs. Texas verdict. So there is absolutely no way that he would support Gay Marriage.
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    Jul 24, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    field123 saidIn what way is he a total douche?



    He's a Focus on the Family right-winger. He appointed the young-earther nutcase Dan McLeroy to head up the State Board of Education... an act comparable to appointing a person who believes automobiles are powered by big wound-up rubber bands to the presidency of General Motors. He's also written a book blasting the ACLU, "liberal elites." He thinks the most important and precious of those fine American values is hating anyone different, because of course, they're persecuting the poor white Christians! He believes atheists are in the same league as child molesters and rapists. So if you're not a Christian, watch out.


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    Jul 24, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    ^ sure all that might be true but it would be nice for someone to acknowledge that he DID vote for a hate crimes legislation featuring sexual orientation. Really not as bad you guys make him appear.
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    Mepark said^ sure all that might be true but it would be nice for someone to acknowledge that he DID vote for a hate crimes legislation featuring sexual orientation. Really not as bad you guys make him appear.


    You're right, Mepark. In my case, I actually did mean to mention that the fact that he's personally against the notion of gay marriage didn't let that affect his overarching interest in states' rights. In other words, a more rabid homophobe would have made the gay rights issue the chief one. He didn't do that.
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    ^Thanks, that's all I was saying.
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    As much as I hate to do so, Rick Santorum is right:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/after-gay-marriage-remarks-santorum-wonders-if-perry-supports-polygamy.htmlAs reported this morning, likely presidential candidate Rick Perry said gay marriage should be left to the states, a pretty libertarian response for a man who calls himself an "unapologetic social conservative."

    Well, this did not please declared candidate Rick Santorum, who last night tweeted, "So Gov Perry, if a state wanted to allow polygamy or if they chose to deny heterosexuals the right to marry, would that be OK too?”


    Or *gasp* if a state decides to keep sodomy laws on the books so that "inexperienced" police officers can continue to harass gays who display "homosexual behavior" in public, would that be OK too?
    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statuteSince Lawrence, the state has stopped enforcing the anti-sodomy law, but its ambiguous legal status has caused some confusion. In 2009, two gay men were kicked out of an El Paso taco chain for kissing in public; police officers threatened to book the men, citing the "homosexual conduct" language of the state penal code (in actuality, the provision only applies to anal and oral sex). The men were not charged, and the police department blamed the mishap on inexperience.


    States' rights are a convenient way to acquiesce to something that conservative candidates don't want to confront in liberal states, and yet retain the appearance to their voting base to be "consistent" in their policies. It's not a right if it's not applicable across state lines.

    And if I may say so, Rick Perry in 1980's (Democrat!) is not the Rick Perry in 2001 (who signed the hate crimes law) or the Rick Perry in 2011. Evolution works both ways.
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    Rick Santorum is right about what? He just posed a question....with an obvious answer, by the way.
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidSo maybe you should amend your title as
    Rick Perry defends states rights

    or

    Rick Perry defends New York's gay marriage law

    or (closer to the real truth)

    Rick Perry acquiesces to New York's gay marriage law AND defends Texas' anti-sodomy law icon_lol.gif


    +1

    Rick Perry does not support gay marriage.
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    field123 saidI didn't say he was for marriage equality, himself. I said he defended NY's legislation. This means he wouldn't be for implementing federal definitions of marriage that many other candidates are advocating.


    Latest polls show that Perry can't win his own state and only 30% of Texas voters want him to run for Prez

    Who in their right mind would vote for a candidate that the TEABAGGER party wants to support?

    Also we just had a MISLEADER from TEXAS that came close to destroying this country

    Perry is the main speaker at the FAMILY organizations big prayer convention isn't he? Study a little about what the family organization thinks about gays and lesbians

    Rick Perry has to be one of the sleasiest and most dishonest politicians Ive ever seen in interviews......PHONEY!

    Might be time for him to come out of the closet too before the press exposes him
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
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    field123 saidI didn't say he was for marriage equality, himself. I said he defended NY's legislation. This means he wouldn't be for implementing federal definitions of marriage that many other candidates are advocating.


    Latest polls show that Perry can't win his own state and only 30% of Texas voters want him to run for Prez

    Who in their right mind would vote for a candidate that the TEABAGGER party wants to support?

    Also we just had a MISLEADER from TEXAS that came close to destroying this country

    Perry is the main speaker at the FAMILY organizations big prayer convention isn't he? Study a little about what the family organization thinks about gays and lesbians

    Rick Perry has to be one of the sleasiest and most dishonest politicians Ive ever seen in interviews......PHONEY!

    Might be time for him to come out of the closet too before the press exposes him


    +1

    Rick Perry is a career politician who talks out of both sides of his mouth. He will say anything to get elected.