Super Congress

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    Jul 24, 2011 1:20 PM GMT
    Very constitutional and much more immune to lobbyists, no doubt. icon_rolleyes.gif
    I really hope Huffpost has good evidence backing this up.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/super-congress-debt-ceiling_n_907887.htmlThis "Super Congress," composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers. Under a plan put forth by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his counterpart Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), legislation to lift the debt ceiling would be accompanied by the creation of a 12-member panel made up of 12 lawmakers -- six from each chamber and six from each party.

    Legislation approved by the Super Congress -- which some on Capitol Hill are calling the "super committee" -- would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn't be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who'd have the ability only to cast an up or down vote. With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law. A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today, and would find it easier to strip the public of popular benefits
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    Jul 24, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    I read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.


    Agreed. It is a fast track to tyranny and injustice, that places way too much power in the hands of too few.
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    Wow I am so tired of Congress NOT doing their job! Congress has the sole power to declare war, but have not done so since 1941. This is very simple. raise the debt ceiling or don't. And live with what happens. Stop avoiding their responsibilities.
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    Jul 24, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    pecfan saidWow I am so tired of Congress NOT doing their job! Congress has the sole power to declare war, but have not done so since 1941. This is very simple. raise the debt ceiling or don't. And live with what happens. Stop avoiding their responsibilities.


    Yes. Congress needs to get its shit together. We need campaign finance reform. Getting the money out of politics is the only thing that will stop this constant politicking and posturing.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 24, 2011 2:19 PM GMT
    The suggestion seems outragious..... I'd be more for awarding them "a kick in the ass" than a "super congress"

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    Jul 24, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    How about they just do their jobs and pass legislation instead of fighting and taking bribes!

    So many of our problems would be solved by a strong third and even fourth party so it wouldn't be the a Republican/Democrat log jam that's come to define American politics and lawmaking.
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    someguy saidSo many of our problems would be solved by a strong third and even fourth party so it wouldn't be the a Republican/Democrat log jam that's come to define American politics and lawmaking.


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    Jul 24, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    i know instead of a super congress lets just be honest and have a corporate congress. Create a new body representing the largest and most influential corporations and they will just tell congress what to do...in fact they can even tell us who is in congress. Will save us all the time and energy it takes to cast votes, hold public debate, town halls, elections. All that artifice just so legislators can make it look like they are working for "the people." Just eliminate the red tape and bullsh*t and have corporate edicts.
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    JoshTPDX saidi know instead of a super congress lets just be honest and have a corporate congress. Create a new body representing the largest and most influential corporations and they will just tell congress what to do...in fact they can even tell us who is in congress. Will save us all the time and energy it takes to cast votes, hold public debate, town halls, elections. All that artifice just so legislators can make it look like they are working for "the people." Just eliminate the red tape and bullsh*t and have corporate edicts.


    Sad but true.
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    Jul 24, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
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  • rnch

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    Jul 24, 2011 5:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    someguy said
    So many of our problems would be solved by a strong third and even fourth party so it wouldn't be the a Republican/Democrat log jam that's come to define American politics and lawmaking.


    You're actually seeing a third party's influence right now with the newly elected Tea Party members of the House.





    much to the detriment of our country's welfare, yes, the tea baggers are an influence.


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  • musclmed

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    Jul 24, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    If everyone steps back and takes a good look at the situation we are getting what we deserve.

    I agree with most of F Zakaria said this morning in his opinion piece. We have accomplished exactly the OPPOSITE of what our founding fathers desired. We have a bastard child of representative democracy and a parliamentary system.

    One that caters to the special interest and is hopelessly deadlocked on just about everything important.

    Its not the tea par-tiers or the liberals its both of them.
    We have a President that negotiates through the media , instead of leading is a name caller.

    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/24/why-political-polarization-has-gone-wild/
    The tea party movement exists only because a equally polar opposite political thought process existed for so long.

    Instead of a Super Congress, the opposite should happen. How about picking random constituents and have them come to a deal. Its more likely to happen as average Americans despite demographics and politics work together ALL THE TIME.
  • tazzari

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    Jul 24, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
    For a perhaps better solution see Friedman's NYT editorial today:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html?ref=opinion

    I find this encouraging and deeply interesting. Not least, as believe we have just begun to scrape the surface of what can be done politically by using the net in innovative ways - and ways that let actual people speak, rather than monolithic big money and Interests.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.





    Exactly.
    The founding fathers INTENTIONALLY made it difficult to pass legislation so that radical idiots like the Teabagger Republicans wouldn't be able to easily foist their lunacy upon the entire nation.
  • musclmed

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    Jul 24, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    Webster666 said
    Christian73 saidI read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.





    Exactly.
    The founding fathers INTENTIONALLY made it difficult to pass legislation so that radical idiots like the Teabagger Republicans wouldn't be able to easily foist their lunacy upon the entire nation.



    FYI this whole debt ceiling issue was compounded by NO BUDGET being passed in the last congress , it had nothing to do with the tea party.
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    Jul 24, 2011 10:57 PM GMT
    In the past few years, I can name about three pieces or ideas of legislation that have probably ranked as some of the worst ever: 1) Paul Ryan's Medicare Re-Vamp, 2) Cut, Cap and Balance and 3) Super Congress.

    We have two houses of Congress--the House and the Senate. They should do the jobs they were elected to do. It should not take another body of Congress or some panel or committee to enact legislation that both houses are responsible for. They should DO THEIR JOB and instead of creating more bureaucracy, they should compromise and find a solution.

    Although I'm a Democrat, I take no sides in this debate. Both sides are responsible. Republicans ran up the national debt in the years they controlled both houses of Congress and the White House; and Democrats didn't help in cutting the deficit when they controlled the House and Senate; and then the White House. We had two wars and a Republican Medicare law that went unpaid for; and Democrats refuse to budge on entitlement reform. And let's not forget, Republicans continue wasting money in trying to protect the Defense of Marriage Act by challenging it in court. Democrats continue to be in denial about the need to address entitlement reforms. Republicans need to consider the need for more revenue. Isn't that what the bipartisan deficit-reduction committee put in their report?

    Compromise is not a dirty word. It shouldn't take some stupid "Super Congress" to do that.
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    Jul 24, 2011 11:03 PM GMT
    tazzari saidFor a perhaps better solution see Friedman's NYT editorial today:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html?ref=opinion

    I find this encouraging and deeply interesting. Not least, as believe we have just begun to scrape the surface of what can be done politically by using the net in innovative ways - and ways that let actual people speak, rather than monolithic big money and Interests.


    Sort of like Virtual Democracy in Call to Power II (old PC game). Right now we're stuck between Republic and Democracy.
    China, on the other hand, went from Fascism/Communism all the way to Technocracy/Corporatism.

    --------------Growth-----Production---Commerce----Research----Economy---Military-----Loyalty-------Martial Law
    Monarchy----Slow----------Low---------Medium--------Low---------Low--------High------Indifferent-----Moderate
    Theocracy---Average-------Low----------High-----------Low-------Medium-----Medium---Loyal----------Relaxed
    Republic-----Average------Medium-------Low---------Medium-------High-------Medium--Indifferent-----Relaxed
    Democracy---Fast----------Low----------Medium-------High--------Medium-----Low-------Loyal-----------None
    Fascism------Slow---------High-----------Low-----------Low---------Low--------V. High---Fanatical-------Strict
    Communism-Average----V. High---------High----------Low----------Low--------V. High---Passionate---Moderate
    Corporate----Fast----------High--------V. High----------High---------Rich--------Medium---Loyal----------None
    Technocracy-Average-----High----------V. High-------V. High------Medium-----High-------Loyal--------Relaxed
    Ecotopia-------V. Fast----Medium--------High----------High---------High--------Medium---Passionate----None
    V. Democracy-Fast--------High----------V. High-------V. High-------Rich---------Low-------Loyal----------None
  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Webster666 said
    Christian73 saidI read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.





    Exactly.
    The founding fathers INTENTIONALLY made it difficult to pass legislation so that radical idiots like the Teabagger Republicans wouldn't be able to easily foist their lunacy upon the entire nation.



    FYI this whole debt ceiling issue was compounded by NO BUDGET being passed in the last congress , it had nothing to do with the tea party.




    Bullshit.
    Whether or not there was a budget passed in the last Congress (or the last 100 Congresses), is irrelevant.
    The current Congress has the power to raise the debt ceiling.
    But, they're intentionally holding it hostage in order to try to pass their own Teabagger Republican agenda amended to the debt ceiling raise.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    musclmed said
    Webster666 said
    Christian73 saidI read this earlier and it's an awful idea that should never see the light of day.





    Exactly.
    The founding fathers INTENTIONALLY made it difficult to pass legislation so that radical idiots like the Teabagger Republicans wouldn't be able to easily foist their lunacy upon the entire nation.



    FYI this whole debt ceiling issue was compounded by NO BUDGET being passed in the last congress , it had nothing to do with the tea party.




    Shhhhhh..... Please do NOT mention that the Pelosi-Reid Congress didn't pass a budget for TWO years.... Also, please don't mention that the prior administration added $4 trillion to the debt in about 8 years, whereas Pelosi-Reid-Obama added almost $5 trillion to the debt in less than 3 years. In other words, Pelosi-Reid-Obama went berserk with their spending and maxed out the credit card far sooner than it should have been. THEY are the cause of this crisis.





    Gee, where would our economy be if REPUBLICAN George W. Bush hadn't started TWO trillion-dollar wars ?

    Where would our economy be if the REPUBLICAN Congress hadn't removed all regulations on Wall Street bankers, so that they could gamble away investers' money and bankrupt the country ?

    Whether or not there was a budget passed in the last Congress (or the last 100 Congresses), is irrelevant.

    The current Congress has the power to raise the debt ceiling.
    But, they're intentionally holding it hostage in order to try to pass their own Teabagger Republican agenda amended to the debt ceiling raise.