ARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

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    Jul 25, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    ......rather than ask millionaires, billionaires and the big corporations to pay their fair share of taxes?

    The answer is: YES!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 25, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
    Of course not.
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    Jul 25, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    It's looking increasingly like that's exactly what they're about to do.
    Despite the fact that a balanced package of spending cuts AND increasing tax revenues is what the American people want.
    http://www.politicususa.com/en/polls-taxes-deficit

    The Repubs will pay a heavy cost.
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    Jul 25, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOf course not.


    We'll see won't we?

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    Jul 25, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidIt's looking increasingly like that's exactly what they're about to do.
    Despite the fact that a balanced package of spending cuts AND increasing tax revenues is what the American people want.
    http://www.politicususa.com/en/polls-taxes-deficit

    The Repubs will pay a heavy cost.




    No one really knows WHAT will happen or WHO will be blamed. I tend to think that this will all be solved before the deadline since in reality BOTH parties, not to mention the American people, have a great deal to lose.
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    Jul 25, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    This thread is useless without pics...

    Also, I agree that corporations need to pay a little more, and that we need to get rid of the dividends lower income tax rate (set for 2013, hopefully sooner.)

    The idea that we are going to avoid double taxation is retarded. Now people like Bill Gates chose to not take an income, but take dividends instead, and lower their tax rate to be, like, a shit-load lower.

    Fucked up.
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    Jul 25, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
    ARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

    Yes, that is their plan. Then they will blame it on Democrats. Destroy the country, then claim the remains. Typical Fascist tactics.

    Here's an interesting definition of Fascism I found. Sounds like the recent Bush Administration, doesn't it?

    Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

    Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 26, 2011 3:54 AM GMT
    "ARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?"
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    ABSOLUTELY !!
    Hide and watch.
    Then, they'll stand there and say, "Did I do THAT ?!"

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  • musclmed

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    Jul 26, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

    Yes, that is their plan. Then they will blame it on Democrats. Destroy the country, then claim the remains. Typical Fascist tactics.

    Here's an interesting definition of Fascism I found. Sounds like the recent Bush Administration, doesn't it?

    Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

    Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.



    Cutting and pasting pablum about fascism doesn't further the argument.

    Some more pressing questions. How has the President lead on this issue?

    He has done more to divide than to lead.

    The truth is Harry Reid and Boehner are more likely to come to a deal than Obama and Boehner.

    So is the problem that the House of Rep Republicans not to giving the President a blank check so he can extend his Presdency first and worry about the country second?

    They will blame it on the Democrats because they never passed a budget when they had both House/Senate and Presidency in 2010.

    The President in a irresponsible manner has blamed it on Republicans when they have only had a majority since 1/2011.

    He negotiates in public and leaks press releases of deals before they are public, undermining trust then blaming the republicans for not dealing.


    Obama in a VERY irresponsible way in his last speech mentioned DEFAULT at least 10 times.

    We would not default as money would come in to pay the bondholders. So he is fanning the flames and endangering the markets.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 26, 2011 10:53 AM GMT
    When they have had eight years that have been the absolutely most ruinous in economic terms
    and Then have shackled ANY forms of reformation through filibustering and forcing supermajorities making the Federal Govt a literal quadriplegic in legislative terms

    The answer to the OP is a very sad Yes for our country
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    Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

    Yes, that is their plan. Then they will blame it on Democrats. Destroy the country, then claim the remains. Typical Fascist tactics.

    Here's an interesting definition of Fascism I found. Sounds like the recent Bush Administration, doesn't it?

    Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

    Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.



    Cutting and pasting pablum about fascism doesn't further the argument.

    Some more pressing questions. How has the President lead on this issue?

    He has done more to divide than to lead.

    The truth is Harry Reid and Boehner are more likely to come to a deal than Obama and Boehner.

    So is the problem that the House of Rep Republicans not to giving the President a blank check so he can extend his Presdency first and worry about the country second?

    They will blame it on the Democrats because they never passed a budget when they had both House/Senate and Presidency in 2010.

    The President in a irresponsible manner has blamed it on Republicans when they have only had a majority since 1/2011.

    He negotiates in public and leaks press releases of deals before they are public, undermining trust then blaming the republicans for not dealing.


    Obama in a VERY irresponsible way in his last speech mentioned DEFAULT at least 10 times.

    We would not default as money would come in to pay the bondholders. So he is fanning the flames and endangering the markets.


    The entire debt ceiling "crisis" has been manufactured by the tea bagger wing of the Republican party. Raising the debt ceiling has always been a perfunctory procedure, which was done 7 times during the Bush administration and 11 times during the Reagan administration.

    Still, the president has repeatedly put forward a balanced approach that the majority of Americans support and the old guard of the Republican party would accept, but the tea baggers are so insane that they would rather destroy the country than allow the Democrats to move beyond this impasse.
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    Jul 26, 2011 12:20 PM GMT
    So balanced that's it's lopsided. icon_lol.gif

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    And now he's endorsed the Reid plan which asks for NO revenue raises.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    Art_Deco saidARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

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    The entire debt ceiling "crisis" has been manufactured by the tea bagger wing of the Republican party. Raising the debt ceiling has always been a perfunctory procedure, which was done 7 times during the Bush administration and 11 times during the Reagan administration.

    Still, the president has repeatedly put forward a balanced approach that the majority of Americans support and the old guard of the Republican party would accept, but the tea baggers are so insane that they would rather destroy the country than allow the Democrats to move beyond this impasse.



    So where is the Presidents Plan?

    Why does his staff Leak the Republican plan during negotiations?


    He keeps saying DEFAULT, when that isnt likely even if the debt ceiling isnt raised.

    Many chided Bush for "mission accomplished" , what is Obama thinking by even saying Default ONCE in public?

    keep blaming the tea party but this is not leadership.
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    musclmed said
    Art_Deco saidARE REPUBLICANS WILLING TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF?

    Yes, that is their plan. Then they will blame it on Democrats. Destroy the country, then claim the remains. Typical Fascist tactics.

    Here's an interesting definition of Fascism I found. Sounds like the recent Bush Administration, doesn't it?

    Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

    Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.



    Cutting and pasting pablum about fascism doesn't further the argument.

    Some more pressing questions. How has the President lead on this issue?

    He has done more to divide than to lead.

    The truth is Harry Reid and Boehner are more likely to come to a deal than Obama and Boehner.

    So is the problem that the House of Rep Republicans not to giving the President a blank check so he can extend his Presdency first and worry about the country second?

    They will blame it on the Democrats because they never passed a budget when they had both House/Senate and Presidency in 2010.

    The President in a irresponsible manner has blamed it on Republicans when they have only had a majority since 1/2011.

    He negotiates in public and leaks press releases of deals before they are public, undermining trust then blaming the republicans for not dealing.


    Obama in a VERY irresponsible way in his last speech mentioned DEFAULT at least 10 times.

    We would not default as money would come in to pay the bondholders. So he is fanning the flames and endangering the markets.


    The entire debt ceiling "crisis" has been manufactured by the tea bagger wing of the Republican party. Raising the debt ceiling has always been a perfunctory procedure, which was done 7 times during the Bush administration and 11 times during the Reagan administration.

    Still, the president has repeatedly put forward a balanced approach that the majority of Americans support and the old guard of the Republican party would accept, but the tea baggers are so insane that they would rather destroy the country than allow the Democrats to move beyond this impasse.


    So basically to you, there's no limit. Whenever we have difficulty meeting our obligations we just raise the debt ceiling, right? There's never a time when we need to reconsider?
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    musclmed saidSo where is the Presidents Plan?

    Why does his staff Leak the Republican plan during negotiations?


    He keeps saying DEFAULT, when that isnt likely even if the debt ceiling isnt raised.

    Many chided Bush for "mission accomplished" , what is Obama thinking by even saying Default ONCE in public?

    keep blaming the tea party but this is not leadership.


    The president does not craft legislation. He has repeatedly and consistently argued for what he believes a balanced compromise would look like (e.g. 83% cuts, 17% revenues).

    And the idea that Obama is somehow responsible for the "crisis" that he Tea Baggers in Congress created by not pro forma raising the debt ceiling, is just ludicrous and absurd.

    And the Tea Baggers want the US to default, so Obama pointing that out is telling the truth.
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    Jul 26, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidSo where is the Presidents Plan?

    Why does his staff Leak the Republican plan during negotiations?


    He keeps saying DEFAULT, when that isnt likely even if the debt ceiling isnt raised.

    Many chided Bush for "mission accomplished" , what is Obama thinking by even saying Default ONCE in public?

    keep blaming the tea party but this is not leadership.


    The president does not craft legislation. He has repeatedly and consistently argued for what he believes a balanced compromise would look like (e.g. 83% cuts, 17% revenues).

    And the idea that Obama is somehow responsible for the "crisis" that he Tea Baggers in Congress created by not pro forma raising the debt ceiling, is just ludicrous and absurd.

    And the Tea Baggers want the US to default, so Obama pointing that out is telling the truth.


    Why is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year
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    Jul 26, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    musclmed saidWhy is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year


    It has typically been done in line with the budget (annually), not in six-moth increments.
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    Jul 26, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidWhy is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year


    It has typically been done in line with the budget (annually), not in six-moth increments.


    Yep, keep defending the indefensible. Typically done? These deficits and debt levels are not "typical" either. This is indeed a manufactured crisis - one of Obama's own making.
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    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidWhy is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year


    It has typically been done in line with the budget (annually), not in six-moth increments.


    Yep, keep defending the indefensible. Typically done? These deficits and debt levels are not "typical" either. This is indeed a manufactured crisis - one of Obama's own making.






    PURE BS.

    The unAmerican and purely politically motivated Repub plan would only be a six month "fix".
    It wouldn't do anything to fix our debt problem.
    It would just kick the can down the road a few months, and we'd be going through all this Repub-created drama again.

    Most importantly of all, the irresponsible short-term Repub plan would likely fail to prevent the U.S. from being downgraded by credit agencies.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/erin-burnett-debuts-on-cnn-immediately-breaks-news-sends-twitter-aflutter/

    THE REPUBS ARE NOT DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR AMERICA.
    They're just putting Party First yet again.
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    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidWhy is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year


    It has typically been done in line with the budget (annually), not in six-moth increments.


    Yep, keep defending the indefensible. Typically done? These deficits and debt levels are not "typical" either. This is indeed a manufactured crisis - one of Obama's own making.


    Didn't Q learn you on that other thread that the deficits and debt are primarily the legacy of the Bush administration? icon_rolleyes.gif

    What's actually not typical is tax revenues at 15% of GPD, the lowest in 60 years, plummeting tax rates for people earning billions, the relentless cutting of taxes and creation of loopholes for multinationals, and the unending attacks on the middle class from Republicans and the Tea Baggers.

    We had deficits larger than the current ones and raise taxes to pay off the debt.

    What is also unprecedented is Republicans holding the US credit rating hostage for their own political gain.
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    Jul 27, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidWhy is his demand that the debt ceiling go beyond the 2012 election as most ceiling upgrades are barely a year


    It has typically been done in line with the budget (annually), not in six-moth increments.


    You mean with budget that was supposed to be passed in 2010? when there was a Democratic trinity?

    interesting
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    Jul 27, 2011 3:49 AM GMT
    Republicans will do nothing to encourage econimic recovery becaue they believe Obama would be credited for that, They would prefer to see the economy get worse until the 2012 presidential election.
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    Jul 27, 2011 7:18 AM GMT
    NO! Look at what the Billionaires, and millionaires contribute to America, via employment, and what they spend to live, and on holidays, and paying for all that health care; they pay and contribute much more than the average Joe.

    If they took their companies off shore, and stoped having holidays, of even moved to NZ, Obama's America would be even deeper in the shit.
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    Jul 27, 2011 7:35 AM GMT
    The answer to the OP's question is"yes". And the most chilling thing is that some of the more delusional Republicans will do so denying that the cliff is there.

    I think Boehner is probably finished-he is clearly arguing from a position of extreme weakness in his own party.
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    Jul 27, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidThe answer to the OP's question is"yes". And the most chilling thing is that some of the more delusional Republicans will do so denying that the cliff is there.

    I think Boehner is probably finished-he is clearly arguing from a position of extreme weakness in his own party.




    Yup.
    Cantor and other Tea Party extremist Repubs are salivating at the prospect of taking Boehner's place as Speaker.