Which city should I move to?

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    Jul 26, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
    Hey guys,

    I live in the college town of Ann Arbor, Michigan. It's a great little town that offers a lot of nice things: great sporting events, great cultural events, and a great river for rowing, biking along, or for jogging around.

    Ann Arbor, however, is getting smaller. Many people are leaving Michigan because there aren't many job opportunities. And with a smaller population, there are fewer gay guys in the area.

    So I'm looking to move. I need a city that offers:

    - marketing job opportunities
    - ability to access nature on weekends
    - rowing clubs
    - good food scene (restaurants, farmer's markets, etc.)
    - a decent gay dating pool (mind you, I'm not a club-oriented person)

    So, RJ: what cities should I consider?

    Thanks,
    Rob
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    Jul 26, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    Pyongyang, North Korea
  • shoelessj

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    Jul 26, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    chicago -- meets all your criteria and it's not too far from michigan so if you need to visit regularly you can.
  • davidsticky69

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    Jul 26, 2011 11:12 AM GMT
    i_VAN saidPyongyang, North Korea


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    Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM GMT
    How much marketing experience do you have?
    We could use an experienced marketing rep where I work, if you're willing to work on contract/commission.

    Just don't sell too much cause I don't wanna have to work 7 days/wk. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
    Austin has everything you listed. However, be warned that this city can skew single, which can be fun...but eventually you'll want something more and it may be somewhat harder to find that here versus other cities.
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    Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM GMT
    (RoadBikeRob will follow up with a blistering indictment of Austin, however he managed to screw up his experience here pretty badly. Bitter.)
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:18 PM GMT
    i_VAN saidPyongyang, North Korea


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    Jul 26, 2011 1:20 PM GMT
    Chip2Stan saidAustin has everything you listed. However, be warned that this city can skew single, which can be fun...but eventually you'll want something more and it may be somewhat harder to find that here versus other cities.


    I agree except for the marketing job part.

    OP, I would suggest San Francisco, Chicago, Boston or possibly LA. NY would also make sense but the outdoors part would be tough to fill.
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
    Toronto has a lot of marketing opportunity I am told, and the winter is probably less severe than Ann Arbor. Montreal has some wonderful marketing firms, even for English speakers, but these are harder to get into. Both cities have huge gay populations and social&legal equality. Unlike a lot of other places, it is possible to find a boyfriend who wants commitment. And there is LOTS of opportunity for NSA fun, if you're not looking for a BF.

    Montreal has easy access to mountains, rivers, and every sort of outdoor sport and activity. Toronto less so, but there is not shortage of outdoor & athletic enthusiasts there.

    Both cities have tons of great restaurants, though Montreal is probably more highly rated. Depending on the neighborhood, in Montreal you can find great local & imported produce, butcher shops, bakeries, farmers markets, health food stores, etc, often in short walking distance. Toronto you can probably find these things, but there is more urban sprawl and traffic to contend with.

    Greater Toronto is close to 6 million people, Montreal 4 million. Both cities have a large young adult population, distinguished universities, and major international companies that have marketing departments.

    The Canadian economy, in spite of "socialism" and government regulation, has by far been the most resilient in the western world. It is a safe place to be on that front for the foreseeable future. Having come from Michigan and Ohio, I'm happy to be here now.
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    Boston is great. Specifically, I'm a fan of Cambridge, but that's another conversation.

    You have the "Head of the Charles" regatta every fall, and several local rowing clubs that participate in that. I believe there is a gay rowing club as well.

    The restaurant scene in Cambridge especially is amazing.

    You have western Mass, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine all in your backyard for all sorts of outdoor / nature needs. The Charles River runs right through the city with the esplanade alongside it, for a good dose of greenery right in the middle of it all.

    People can be a little hard to meet at first, but once you break through the cold New England shell, you end up making some great friends here. Being involved in organizations and sports (there's that rowing again) is one way to make friends much easier than hitting the bars and clubs anyway.
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    I say Los Angeles. We have awesome weather located by mountains, beach for many outdoor activities. Beautiful and fit people are here due to the weather and scene. Down fall is,it's very expensive to live here and dating can be difficult.

    I meet/ see people all the time that move here. Once they are here they start turning into this Hollywood personality and forget who they are and where their roots are giving people here a shallow personality. The people who were born and raised here aren't like that. We are grounded being that this is all we ever knew and are use to it. So if you decide to move here and here these negative things about the people being way too shallow, MOST of the time it's the transplants wanting to be something there not. Not all are like that though that due move here.

    I have some very cool and down to earth guys that I could introduce you to FYI. One of my good friends is from Michigan too.
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM GMT


    I am going to assume that you can only live in the U.S.

    Who knows, you may be able to work abroad.


    How about:

    Seattle?

    Portland?

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    Jul 26, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
    We also have a great melting pot of mixed foods being we have a huge diversity of races and such as Mexican, Italian, Thai, Japanese, Greek, Korean, American, Ethiopian, French. These are the most common here

    Santa Barbara, San Diego, Big Bear Mountains, Palm Springs, Huntington Beach are all about 1-2 hrs away for great weekend fun for either relaxing, wine tasting, hiking, snow skiing, surfing, rowing.

    The weather... Well you can't get better. Shorts and flip flops will be your every day staple of leisure.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    Minneapolis. Want to know why?

    - marketing job opportunities
    6% Unemployment in Hennepin County alone. If you have a decent resumé, you have a fighting chance, like me. Otherwise start in a smaller college town.

    - ability to access nature on weekends
    They're all over the state, really.

    - rowing clubs
    http://www.mplsrowing.org/

    - good food scene (restaurants, farmer's markets, etc.)
    1) What city doesn't have a farmer's market here?
    2) There are some unique gems that you can find in the Twin Cities. I can send you a recommendation.

    - a decent gay dating pool (mind you, I'm not a club-oriented person)
    http://www.advocate.com/Print_Issue/Travel/Gayest_Cities_in_America_February_2011/

    If you decide to move to the metro, I don't recommend Anoka County.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
    If Pyongyang doesn't work out.....

    1. Seattle: I don't know about the work opportunities in marketing but the economy is doing well and the city is chock full of active, healthy, friendly people. In the summer you can mountain bike and row and in the winters you get good snowboarding/skiing very close to downtown. Yes, it rains a lot but only in the winter. The summers are great.

    2. Washington DC: We've got the federal government and they're still hiring. Politics is basically marketing and campaign season is just getting started. And the gays love power - the velvet mafia is alive and well. Tons of gays running around asking what you do for a living and how you can help their careers. We have four or five rowing clubs including a gay one. The Shenandoah Mountains are right outside of town for hiking and mountain biking. Great restaurants sprout up constantly. With just a little effort, you can find all sorts of super cool spots off the beaten path that have really good, interesting food (I think we have four Top Chef runner-ups/winners in town, maybe five). You can have a $200 meal or a $20 one on any given night that'll knock your socks off.

    3. Chicago: It's cold but it's just an awesome town. I would have suggested Denver but I hear the gay scene is pretty small there.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    Maybe Philly? Dad Vail Regatta is there and stretches of Fairmount Park (including both sides of the Schuylkill, site of rowing events) are nice for jogging and biking. You can hit the road on weekends to reach the Poconos or NJ's Wharton State Forest or the Jersey Shore (alternatively, New Hope or Rehoboth Beach for GLBT-oriented leisure) in just a couple hours.

    They've got a pretty active AMA chapter, and the city itself has done a heck of a job boosting the gayborhood scene by tying it in with their traditional tourism ("Get Your History Straight... and Your Nightlife Gay" or something like that). Being near Wharton Business School doesn't hurt either.

    Philly's got some notoriously fattening local cuisine (cheesesteaks! mmm...) but some really nice restaurants in the vicinity of Rittenhouse Square. The Reading Terminal Farmer's Market is creepy at first glance because it's so historically old, but great variety of foods can be found there.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    The tough part is the work thing. Marketing jobs are everywhere, but most plentiful in certain cities. I would move to San Diego if I could get a marketing job there. Its tough for people who do what I do. Its even rougher in small cities like Portland and Austin, etc.
  • LJay

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    Jul 26, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    Boston.

    Though there is a nice little house for sale just two doors down from me.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
    You are made for Chicago... seriously. It meets all your requirements (and I can invite you over:-))
  • Csrobbie2000

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    Jul 26, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
    KaliforniaCool saidI say Los Angeles. We have awesome weather located by mountains, beach for many outdoor activities. Beautiful and fit people are here due to the weather and scene. Down fall is,it's very expensive to live here and dating can be difficult.

    I meet/ see people all the time that move here. Once they are here they start turning into this Hollywood personality and forget who they are and where their roots are giving people here a shallow personality. The people who were born and raised here aren't like that. We are grounded being that this is all we ever knew and are use to it. So if you decide to move here and here these negative things about the people being way too shallow, MOST of the time it's the transplants wanting to be something there not. Not all are like that though that due move here.

    I have some very cool and down to earth guys that I could introduce you to FYI. One of my good friends is from Michigan too.


    I completely agree with you. People in LA have a bad rep, but it's usually not the natives of LA. I know many who are very successful, career and goal oriented yet very real and down to earth.
  • Montague

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    Jul 26, 2011 2:40 PM GMT
    Juárez, Mexico or San Diego, your pick.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    imasrxd saidIf Pyongyang doesn't work out.....

    1. Seattle: I don't know about the work opportunities in marketing but the economy is doing well and the city is chock full of active, healthy, friendly people. In the summer you can mountain bike and row and in the winters you get good snowboarding/skiing very close to downtown. Yes, it rains a lot but only in the winter. The summers are great.

    2. Washington DC: We've got the federal government and they're still hiring. Politics is basically marketing and campaign season is just getting started. And the gays love power - the velvet mafia is alive and well. Tons of gays running around asking what you do for a living and how you can help their careers. We have four or five rowing clubs including a gay one. The Shenandoah Mountains are right outside of town for hiking and mountain biking. Great restaurants sprout up constantly. With just a little effort, you can find all sorts of super cool spots off the beaten path that have really good, interesting food (I think we have four Top Chef runner-ups/winners in town, maybe five). You can have a $200 meal or a $20 one on any given night that'll knock your socks off.

    3. Chicago: It's cold but it's just an awesome town. I would have suggested Denver but I hear the gay scene is pretty small there.



    Agree that Washington, DC metro has a lot to offer in terms of food, job opportunities (especially federal employment), nature (e.g., Great Falls), and rowing (tons of rowing and boating/yacht clubs around). If you're looking for a long-term boyfriend, this is probably not the place for you for several reasons: (i) many of the residents are transient (4-8 year rotation, depending on whose in the White House and Congress); (ii) the area is largely elitist (even the minimum-wage gay boys are); (iii) there are lots of gay boys that are desperately looking for the "perfect husband" so competition is particularly stiff; and (iv) the sought-after "perfect husbands" are anal retentive, self-aggrandizing assholes, mostly lawyers. HOWEVER, if you're looking to just have fun with the boys and you're not particularly looking for a husband, the DC metro area (and that includes the nearby very expensive suburbs of Northern Virginia) has the most manwhores/sluts per square foot in the entire United States.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos saidMinneapolis. Want to know why?

    - marketing job opportunities
    6% Unemployment in Hennepin County alone. If you have a decent resumé, you have a fighting chance, like me. Otherwise start in a smaller college town.

    - ability to access nature on weekends
    They're all over the state, really.

    - rowing clubs
    http://www.mplsrowing.org/

    - good food scene (restaurants, farmer's markets, etc.)
    1) What city doesn't have a farmer's market here?
    2) There are some unique gems that you can find in the Twin Cities. I can send you a recommendation.

    - a decent gay dating pool (mind you, I'm not a club-oriented person)
    http://www.advocate.com/Print_Issue/Travel/Gayest_Cities_in_America_February_2011/

    If you decide to move to the metro, I don't recommend Anoka County.


    I agree with Minneapolis
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
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    Bullwinklemoos saidMinneapolis. Want to know why?

    - marketing job opportunities
    6% Unemployment in Hennepin County alone. If you have a decent resumé, you have a fighting chance, like me. Otherwise start in a smaller college town.

    - ability to access nature on weekends
    They're all over the state, really.

    - rowing clubs
    http://www.mplsrowing.org/

    - good food scene (restaurants, farmer's markets, etc.)
    1) What city doesn't have a farmer's market here?
    2) There are some unique gems that you can find in the Twin Cities. I can send you a recommendation.

    - a decent gay dating pool (mind you, I'm not a club-oriented person)
    http://www.advocate.com/Print_Issue/Travel/Gayest_Cities_in_America_February_2011/

    If you decide to move to the metro, I don't recommend Anoka County.


    I agree with Minneapolis


    I third it. sounds like it fits the bill well