Boehner's Moment of Truth - The speaker has positioned his party to take credit for a bill that averts a crisis.

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    Jul 29, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    The article, while giving credit to Boehner, also takes to task "the unrealistic wing of the conservative movement", including Michele Bachmann.

    By Kimberley A. Strassel,
    Wall Street Journal, July 29, 2011

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474563657202494.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    It isn't easy to turn Washington around on a dime. If nothing else, give Republican House Speaker John Boehner marks for trying.

    It wasn't a week ago that Mr. Boehner was plodding through White House deliberations, grasping for GOP support, facing the growing likelihood his party would be saddled with either a flawed debt bargain or blame for causing a default. By last night, Mr. Boehner was on the precipice of passing the only workable debt plan in town and shifting responsibility for further debt fallout across the aisle. Whatever the final result, Mr. Boehner's week-long struggle to pull his party behind him is worthy of some study.

    That struggle began with the Ohio Republican's willingness to pack in a losing strategy. He'd invested valuable time and capital in his White House talks, and the pressure from the president, the press and the bipartisan crowd to grab a "big deal" was enormous. He looked very near to succumbing to the seductive pull of a grand Washington "compromise."

    Instead, he realized that this White House had no intention of agreeing to serious debt reduction and that it cared primarily about tax hikes. His decision to call off the talks earned him some catcalls, but it reset the political dynamic.

    For weeks, House Republicans had feared their only choice would be between a problematic Boehner-Obama deal or their principles. Many had chosen to risk default in the name of the latter. By outing the White House and pushing a legitimate Republican alternative, Mr. Boehner gave his members a new choice: They could rally behind their leader for a deal that was good (if not perfect), or they could hand victory to President Obama.

    President Obama took it from there. His week of lashing out at the GOP—in a press conference, in a national address, in a veto threat—only clarified the stakes for members and began earning Mr. Boehner standing ovations. The desperate quality of the Democratic attacks confirmed for House Republicans that the speaker was on to something. His blunt warnings about the political fallout of default helped further focus minds, while Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's support for the Boehner plan reassured House members that he'd back them in the Senate.

    Also helping was the House leadership's deft handling of the bill itself. Instead of legislation to thrill hard-liners, Mr. Boehner stuck to a framework already agreed upon by most Democrats—thereby robbing them of an easy excuse for rejecting it.

    He simultaneously inserted enough provisions—such as a promise for a future vote on a balanced budget amendment—to allow some cut-cap-balance members to feel confident they were holding to their own promises. His willingness this week to retool the bill, so that Congressional Budget Office analysts would confirm it lived up to its goal of $900 billion in savings, began reassuring conservative members that they were voting for something real.

    He got a final boost from the unrealistic wing of the conservative movement, which overplayed its hand. Conservative bloggers and Washington pressure groups love to complain about the GOP "establishment," never acknowledging that they've become an establishment all their own. Without asking voter permission, they've fashioned themselves the heavies of the tea party movement, issuing diktats and punishing deviations—according to their whims. Witness this week's leaked emails from a staffer for the conservative Republican Study Committee encouraging activists to tell freshmen Republicans to vote against the Boehner bill, and to "target" any who did not.

    Those Republican freshmen—many sporting sterling conservative credentials—are getting a bit hacked off that the Club for Growth or House staffers are dictating the positions they must take. Many rightly saw Mr. Boehner's plan as a credible first step toward deficit reduction—one that denies Democrats the ability to hang default on the GOP, and that also positions Republicans for the 2012 election and real reform. They began to wonder who made Heritage Action the arbiter of all things conservative, and some broke for Mr. Boehner.

    By Thursday evening, Mr. Boehner had moved a significant portion of his conference, though he proved unable to net the final few votes. Some remained wedded to their vow to never vote for a debt-ceiling hike. Some, like presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann, continued to insist, ludicrously, that a failed deal wouldn't be a problem. It is an open question if Mr. Boehner could have ever won these votes, no matter how big, deep and dramatic a budget-cutting deal he presented.

    What he did do this week is position his party to take credit for a bill that averts a crisis, cuts more spending than any Democrat ever thought possible, and exposes the White House's insincerity on the deficit and economic prosperity. The Republicans who yesterday undermined bill now bear sole responsibility for whatever political fallout comes next.
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    Jul 29, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidCutting a mere $100 billion from an annual $1,650 billion annual deficit is not going to do the country any good whatsoever.

    If anything, it seals our fate.

    It's a band aid until 2012. Nothing of ultimate substance will be done until this administration is gone, and the support of the independents can't be risked.
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    Jul 29, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    Boehner's six month "band aid" plan would fail to prevent the U.S. from being downgraded by the credit rating agencies.
    It would fail to stabilize the economy and it would fail to reassure the markets.

    It's bad policy and a disgrace to the reputation of the Republican party.
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    Jul 29, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidBoehner's six month "band aid" plan would fail to prevent the U.S. from being downgraded by the credit rating agencies.
    It would fail to stabilize the economy and it would fail to reassure the markets.

    It's bad policy and a disgrace to the reputation of the Republican party.

    The US will likely be downgraded anyway, in part because of the current administration accelerating the debt increase and ignoring the key recommendations of the debt commission.
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    Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidBoehner's six month "band aid" plan would fail to prevent the U.S. from being downgraded by the credit rating agencies.
    It would fail to stabilize the economy and it would fail to reassure the markets.

    It's bad policy and a disgrace to the reputation of the Republican party.



    The blinders you have on is truly astounding. If Obama loses in 2012, are you going to have a complete meltdown? This is an American problem not isolated to or to blamed on any one political party.
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    Jul 29, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 saidBoehner's six month "band aid" plan would fail to prevent the U.S. from being downgraded by the credit rating agencies.
    It would fail to stabilize the economy and it would fail to reassure the markets.

    It's bad policy and a disgrace to the reputation of the Republican party.

    The US will likely be downgraded anyway, in part because of the current administration accelerating the debt increase and ignoring the key recommendations of the debt commission.


    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.
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    Jul 29, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats and the $4+ trillion in debt they have added in just 30 months.

    Let's be clear. You are correct.
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    Jul 29, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts
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    Jul 29, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    Christian73 said...Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.





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    Jul 29, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts


    Really Curious.. you have got more nuts with your politics... just take a trip somewhere, forget about the party line, wake up and smell the coffee.
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    Jul 29, 2011 9:20 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts


    Really Curious.. you have got more nuts with your politics... just take a trip somewhere, forget about the party line, wake up and smell the coffee.




    The problem is that curious (and socal) gets his "facts" and sense of reality from the pro-right-wing propaganda machine that is Fox "News".
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    Jul 29, 2011 9:24 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Lostboy said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts


    Really Curious.. you have got more nuts with your politics... just take a trip somewhere, forget about the party line, wake up and smell the coffee.

    The problem is that curious (and socal) gets his "facts" and sense of reality from the pro-right-wing propaganda machine that is Fox "News".

    Your knowledge of my viewing and reading habits is as accurate as your knowledge of politics and your associated reasoning. I watch and read from multiple outlets, both domestic and abroad.
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    Jul 29, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts


    It's not wishful thinking:

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20080250-503544.html
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    Jul 29, 2011 10:28 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Let's be clear. If a downgrade occurs, it will be because of Tea Bagger intransigence, which 70% of the American people recognizing that.


    Far more based on your wishful thinking than actual facts


    It's not wishful thinking:

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20080250-503544.html



    HA! Quoting a poll from CBS?!?!?!? LOLOLOLOL! Is THAT all ya got? icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 29, 2011 11:01 PM GMT
    Wow, so David Irving now writes for the Wall Street Journal!
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    Jul 30, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidWow, so David Irving now writes for the Wall Street Journal!


    No I believe you've mistaken the WSJ in this case for the NYT Editorial board.