THE DETORIT MAYOR...REGARDLESS IF HE'S YOUR MAYOR OR NOT. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HIM AND HIS RACE RELATIONS?

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    Apr 28, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    I seriously became angry about what I posted on another forum...but I saw it fit for another one.

    I'm furious...
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    SCREW JEREMIAH WRIGHT FOR TRYING TO SELL A BOOK AND NOT CARING ABOUT HIS BLACK BRETHREN. HE'S WORSE THAN JESSE JACKSON FOR ONLY MAKING MONEY OFF WHAT HE 'PORTRAY'S' AS RIGHT AND EVEN WORSE THAN AL SHARPTON FOR FIGHTING FOR BLACKS ONLY...AND SCREWING ANY OTHER PERSON IN HIS WAY. (LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THE DUKE RAPE THAT ENDED UP BEING NEFARIOUS) DID HE EVER APOLOGIZE?

    FUCK KWAME KILPATRICK FOR BEING THE WORST MAYOR IN HISTORY AND DENOUNCING HOMOSEXUALITY (BECAUSE HE SAID IT'S AGAINST HIS RELIGION, ON BILL MAHAR) BUT THAT HYPOCRITICAL ASS CHEATED ON HIS WIFE AND IS STILL SAYING HE'LL BE VINDICATED. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

    AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF DETROIT WANTS TO STAND BY THIS MAYOR BECAUSE HE IS BLACK AND THEY THINK THAT THE ENTIRE SUBURBS (THAT ARE WHITE) ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE HIM DOWN...THEN I GIVE UP. WHAT ELSE AM I SUPPOSE TO THINK.

    IF PEOPLE WANT EQUALITY, WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY CALLING THE RACE CARD? THAT'S PURE NON-SENSE AND I'M TRULY SICK OF IT.

    IF YOU FUCK UP...THEN YOU MUST PAY FOR IT. REGARDLESS OF BEING WHITE, RED, BLACK, BLUE OR GREEN...

    PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE...AND THE ONLY ONES THAT ACTUALLY SEE THIS ARE THE ONE'S THAT ARE COLOR BLIND.

    I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

    DETROIT AND THE SUBURBS ARE THE MOST SEGREGATED AREA IN THE UNITED STATES, FROM BLACKS TO WHITES. I'M NOT RACIST, BUT I HAVE SEEN MAJOR RACISM AROUND HERE. THIS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS LEADERS CHANGE IT. WE HERE, NEAR DETROIT, DO NOT SEE IT. IT'S BEEN FUELED WITH THIS ASS HOLE MAYOR AND HE SEE'S THIS COMMUNITY AS BLACK VS. WHITE.

    DON'T BELIEVE ME. DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE LAST ELECTION. KWAME TOLD THE CROWD THAT IF THEY VOTE FOR THE OPPONENT, THEN THEY WERE SUPPORTING THE WHITE SUBURBS, AND THAT IF THEY VOTED FOR HIM (KWAME HIMSELF) THEN THEY WERE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY OF DETROIT.

    LMAO...FUCK OFF. I’M TIRED OF DETROIT AND THE REDIRECTS.
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    Apr 28, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    Maybe it serves them right that Detroit is in the economic shitter.
  • RSportsguy

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    Apr 29, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    Hi Lateralus! I think Kwame is trying to survive this scandal anyway possible. He uses the race card and the religion card when it benefits him the most. I think the majority of the people in Detroit are pretty outraged and embarrassed by him now. There are a few who will see him as getting 'railroaded by the man' but they are in the minority. His crimes have hurt all the people in Detroit. The two cops that he fired for investigating allegations about him were both black. I don't see this as a racial issue. I think power corrupts and he thought he was entitled to get away with the things that he did. Let's hope the courts will take the appropriate action and he will find himself paying for the crimes that he has committed.
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    RSportsguy saidHi Lateralus! I think Kwame is trying to survive this scandal anyway possible. He uses the race card and the religion card when it benefits him the most. I think the majority of the people in Detroit are pretty outraged and embarrassed by him now. There are a few who will see him as getting 'railroaded by the man' but they are in the minority. His crimes have hurt all the people in Detroit. The two cops that he fired for investigating allegations about him were both black. I don't see this as a racial issue. I think power corrupts and he thought he was entitled to get away with the things that he did. Let's hope the courts will take the appropriate action and he will find himself paying for the crimes that he has committed.


    He saw the two cops as being vindicated by a white jury. He was pissed (and quoted) as saying that the judicial system isn't right because the majority of the jury was white and they're against what black detoiters stand for. (funny, because this ass is a lawyer)

    What he couldn't, and wouldn't admit, was that everyone whom was black that was called to jury duty had a prior conviction, and or, didn't want to support the current mayor for what he stands for, and what he hasn't done for the city.

    Where does the fault lie? It's in the hands of the current mayor~
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    Apr 29, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    Lateralus is right that the metro area of Detroit is one of the most segregated anywhere.

    I grew up in and around Detroit, and I can still remember a time before the '67 riots when it was still a nice city. But the riots didn't start the decline: the real 'white flight' began in 1963 when the voters defeated a tax increase meant for the school system; the school board decided to punish the public by cutting the school day in half--half the kids went morning only, the other half afternoon only.
    Result: anyone who could afford to leave fled the city. The riots were in some part a reaction to the growing economic problems caused by the departure of the tax base.

    Over time, the black middle class got fed up too, and moved out of the city, into the suburb of Southfield which, when I was young, was entirely Jewish. Now I understand it to be majority black. The Jewish community kept heading farther and farther west, to West Bloomfield, Farmington Hills, and now Novi.

    The city of Detroit is now something like 88% black, with the rest Hispanic and (very) poor whites. The tax base is so corroded that lsst year the city cut back on bus routes, which were inadequate to begin with, forcing even more people out of jobs as there was no longer any way to get to work.

    Whole blocks of the city have gone back to their natural, forest-like state. A few years ago the New York Times Sunday Magazine ran pictures of animals grazing on a plot of land not too far from the Eastern Market, where I worked in a shortening factory when I was 18.

    It's absolutely amazing what's happened there.
  • MarvelClimber

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    Apr 29, 2008 1:31 AM GMT
    I grew up in Detroit. And although I've been away for 8 years I still keep tabs. Am I embarrassed by Kwame? Not really. We've had quite a slew of political scandals in national news. Kwame did some really good things for the city; he also had the social mentality of a fratboy. For Detroiters a scandal on his part is hardly a surprise; I might be as bold to say we expected it.

    When I visit, I've seen urban renewal projects that are going well. Downtown is being revitalized; crime down there is much lower. There are long-established affluent neighborhoods (University District, Sherwood Forest, Indian Village), and a lot of new condos and subdivisions. A lot of those crack houses have been dozed down in place of new developments.

    All that being said, Detroit is a wasteful city in terms of money, resources, and community. Few companies are willing to invest in the city proper. Meanwhile city residents spend their money OUTSIDE of the city. It's sad that I have to drive 15 miles just to get to the nearest Best Buy. There's a Target nearby, but that's actually in Southfield. Meijer's, Walmart, a decent mall, even a nice movie theatre... forget it! There's nothing like that in Detroit.

    The point is that economic disparity heightens preexisting racial tensions. Keep in mind that the views and tactics of a city's major shouldn't be used as a measure of it's residents' viewpoints. Those kind of comparisons are synecdochic. In other words, what Kwame says, is what Kwame says, not what Detroiters say.
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:38 AM GMT
    slickguystyle saidI grew up in Detroit. And although I've been away for 8 years I still keep tabs. Am I embarrassed by Kwame? Not really. We've had quite a slew of political scandals in national news. For Detroiters this is hardly a surprise. Kwame did some really good things. When I visit, I've seen urban renewal projects that are going well. Downtown is being revitalized; crime down there is much lower.

    Detroit is a wasteful city. Tax dollars burn in chimneys. Few companies are willing to invest in the city proper. Meanwhile city residents spend their money OUTSIDE of the city. It's sad that I have to drive 15 miles just to get to the nearest Best Buy. There's a Target nearby, but that's actually in Southfield. Meijer's, Walmart, a decent mall, even a nice movie theatre... forget it! There's nothing like that in Detroit.

    The point is that economic disparity heightens preexisting racial tensions. Keep in mind that the views and tactics of a city's major shouldn't be used as a measure of it's residents' viewpoints. Those kind of comparisons are synecdochic. In other words, what Kwame says, is what Kwame says, not what Detroiters say.

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    Not only am I pissed off at what you thought to be true...

    Im More fucking pissed off at what you haven't a clue to be wrong. You are a self dubious ass...

    Here's where the race relation's cease...ignorant ass hole's that agree with kwame and his better than everyone mentality.

    Fuck off and get a god damn clue...

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    Apr 29, 2008 1:43 AM GMT
    Kwame and his race relations are only a doubt of where your city WILL NOT GO...

    What don't you get? Actually, now I get where you can't go...

    No wonder why the jury found your MAYOR GUILTY.

    He's a FUCKING RACIST ASS HOLE!

    Fuck off
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:59 AM GMT
    I went to Detroit last summer to check out the club "Menjoes". Three guys attacked me with knives.
    After they ran off I called the police and they never came. I was shaken but unhurt so when I left I ended up going right through downtown Detroit to find I-75 and get back to Toledo and civilization. Baghdad looks better than Detroit.

    So, what's with the murder of Strawberry? What's that all about?
  • MarvelClimber

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    Apr 29, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
    lateralus said
    Not only am I pissed off at what you thought to be true...

    Im More fucking pissed off at what you haven't a clue to be wrong. You are a self dubious ass...

    Here's where the race relation's cease...ignorant ass hole's that agree with kwame and his better than everyone mentality.

    Fuck off and get a god damn clue...



    Wow, did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you always resort to personal attacks when you are unable to flesh out your assertation?

    I'm surprised to hear how wrong I am considering I have family and family friends who work in high-city positions, some of which have been appointed by the major. Yes, Kwame has made mistakes; he has lied on numerous occasions. I'm saying that the positive things he's done should not be ignored.

    Also, the mentality of urban blacks will be to defend each other in public, though they just as well let each other fall in private. When you grow up hearing about unpunished beatings/killings, workplace injustices, experiencing "random" traffic stops in suburbs, you are automatically on defense, even when you're in the wrong. Because you are never sure if your wrong would be punished the same way as someone white. Would a white major's indecretion be played down in the media? Historically, this tends to be the case. Why do the news programs air the most ignorant and radical comments? Because it gets more attention.

    People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, L. Farrakhan make their living off the extremes of racial controversy. But they don't represent Black America. They do not represent Black Detroit.

    Lateralus, you went from talking about Kwame, to talking about people pulling the race card? Who are these people? Why aren't Kwame's statements confined in your eyes? Instead you seem to take the few Detroiters you've heard comments from and a man that you consider a black voice in the community.

    You also claim to love to hear what we have to say. And then you chastise someone for their response. Hmm, I guess I am quite justified in being defensive.
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    Apr 29, 2008 2:16 AM GMT
    So you think that the suburbs have 'beating's in the suburbs when they others are black? How fucked up do you precieve the world to be? YOU CAN MAKE UP ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO STAND BEHIND.

    Are you out of your mind to assume so? WTF? If you have proof, then you BRING IT TO THE TABLE. I'm SO SICK OF BLACK GUYS TALKING SHIT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO WALK THE WALK. WTF?

    I'm serious, that when you come to any city in the suburbS, you will onlY be treated as a GOD DAMN HUMAN.

    You want to pull the fucking race card...you go right AHEAD and do so. I'M FUCKING FED UP WITH THIS BLACK AGAISNT WHITE BULLSHIT.

    YOU HAVE NOTHING...NOTHING AT ALL TO PROVE THIS CONGREGATED BULL SHIT.

    FU
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    Apr 29, 2008 2:21 AM GMT
    I hope this does not become a "let's bash Detroit" thread. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Slickguy--Kwame has done some good for the city as well as his predecessor Dennis Archer. I do not think you can ignore his criminal activities because he has done some good for the city. I also do believe that a white mayor would be in the same trouble if he did the same thing as Kwame. Eliott Spitzer did far less and he had to resign. Forget about the media, right is right and wrong is wrong. Lying under oath is perjury! Plain and simple.



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    Apr 29, 2008 2:22 AM GMT
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    you're so ignorant...
    It's sad...because you and your city will never begin to become better...and that's all because your stupid kindling ass supports that fucking ass hole.
    good luck you stupid fuck


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    Not only was cursing me out on the forum not enough, you felt the need to take time out of your night to email me more of your incoherent diatribe.
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    Apr 29, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    no shit...

    because when someone doesn't get it...well, you have to resort to something lower than what someone thinks.

    Sorry, it's how it works (since you can't think for yourself...well, I thought AL might be a good target)
  • MarvelClimber

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    Apr 29, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    lateralus saidSo you think that the suburbs have 'beating's in the suburbs when they others are black? How fucked up do you precieve the world to be? YOU CAN MAKE UP ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO STAND BEHIND.

    Are you out of your mind to assume so? WTF? If you have proof, then you BRING IT TO THE TABLE. I'm SO SICK OF BLACK GUYS TALKING SHIT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO WALK THE WALK. WTF?

    I'm serious, that when you come to any city in the suburbS, you will onlY be treated as a GOD DAMN HUMAN.

    You want to pull the fucking race card...you go right AHEAD and do so. I'M FUCKING FED UP WITH THIS BLACK AGAISNT WHITE BULLSHIT.

    YOU HAVE NOTHING...NOTHING AT ALL TO PROVE THIS CONGREGATED BULL SHIT.

    FU


    When I was 17, I have been pulled over in Ferndale while driving south (into Detroit) on woodward at 8 Mile. The officer claimed I was speeding and changing lanes erratically. I changed lanes once to get on the ramp that goes above 8 MIle. I was actually going under the speed limit. Was it an honest mistake? Maybe. Did the cop have a bad day and take it out on some kid? Maybe. Did he have a traffic quota and I was an easy target? Could be. But I'll never know that. All I know is that he was white and he talked down to me.

    Another time I was driving in Novi. I get pulled over. The officer never tells me why. I give him my license, insurance, and car reg. He asks me where I'm going. I told him that I'm heading back home to Detroit. He curtly responds, "Yeah, you head straight back to Detroit."

    I was denied a job by white management at a Dearborn (suburb) Circuit City. I filed suit, not bringing up any racial reasons. Come to find out there had been other reports of minorities not being hired at that location. Despite a letter of apology from the corporate office, nothing was done.

    My "evidence" is my life experience. Being white and living in Royal Oak, a yuppie suburb. Please tell me what is your evidence?

    The only person that is crying "Black against white" is you! I fail to see how people standing up for their lying major means they're pulling the race card and all against whitie.

    If you would stop talking and start listening you would see that my comments have only pointed out that Kwame has done some good things for the city and that Detroit has made improvements during his terms. (You disagree with this. I don't know why. There are CLEARLY new developments and new business.) I never advocated that his criminal activity be ignored. I only provided a reason why some Detroiters support Kwame.
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    Apr 29, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
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    YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN...

    AND MORE SO, SO DOES YOUR IGNORANT PEOPLE.

    IM GOING TO GUESS IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE US AGAINST THEM

    MY GUESS IS, ITS THE US WHO HAVE DONE WELL FOR THIER OWN PEOPLE AGAISNT YOURS (THE ONE'S WHO ONLY LOOK OUT FOR THEMWELVES)

    WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT? IF NOT,LET ME EXPALIN IT TO YOUR FACE...I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT ANYMORE



    I suppose there's no need to say anymore. You've undoubtedly shown the kind of person you are.
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  • groundcombat

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    Apr 29, 2008 6:16 AM GMT
    lateralus saidno shit...

    because when someone doesn't get it...well, you have to resort to something lower than what someone thinks.

    Sorry, it's how it works (since you can't think for yourself...well, I thought AL might be a good target)


    Ok. I grew up in Detroit also but I moved to the suburbs and left Michigan so long ago my two cents are practically irrelevant. That being said, I'm going to state my observation anyway.

    Slickguy makes some valid points about the city. There ain't shit for businesses in Detroit. That's a fact. We always had to go out shopping up in Southfield or down at Fairlane in Dearborn growing up because there's simply no national retail. I don't know if it has to do with race as much as Detroiters don't know how to take care of shit. And I can say that first hand since my mom still operates her shop in the city and has been held up at gun and knife point and had her shop vandalized and burglarized several times.

    But on my last few visits home, I've seen some positive things in the city. Downtown developing, housing projects being converted to neighborhoods, the Riverwalk, and even the casionos and hotels opening (yeah this is technically Archer, but okay), etc so I can't say Kwame has been all bad either.

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    Apr 29, 2008 6:20 AM GMT
    Re slickguystyle:

    And I guess I'll throw out the counterexample just to be fair to the men and women of Novi PD. I actually moved from Detroit to Novi for my high school years, got pulled over twice (both times I was speeding). Cops did not give me a ticket, and sent me on my way with a warning. Nothing too condescending, just your typical slow down. I reckon it has more to do with the address on the liscence than the picture?
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    Apr 29, 2008 6:30 AM GMT
    Hillary ain't never been called a Nigger!


    Oh wait.... ops wrong thread for that icon_rolleyes.gif

    Well since I brought it up, should we "obliterate" Iran if they ever attacked Israel? Some commander and chief she would make....
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    Apr 29, 2008 7:14 AM GMT
    Wow, lateralus, you hate Detroit, you hate this black against white shit. Good for you! I'm glad someone is brave enough to say it.

    I applaud you for generalizing about an individual (poster) to show the ugliness of bigotry. Kudos to you; you're a brave man and have properly put slickguystyle in his place. How dare he engage you in meaningful conversation! He's just the type of person--those who see the other side of the coin--who's polluting our pure appreciation for generalities.

    Generalities rock! And they're such a constructive means to heal old wounds. I recommend them.

    See, slickguystyle's mistake was engaging you like he would have engaged a friend: one on one. It would have been better if he had lumped you in with the rest of the suburban whites. Then we could both understand him, and hate him with the proper indignation.
  • RSportsguy

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    Apr 29, 2008 11:56 AM GMT
    My last statement on this topic is that I have been a suburban Detroiter all my life and I love many things about the area. I spent many afternoons and nights at Tiger Stadium. (btw-would probably be characterized as a bad part of town). The city has A LOT of improving to do. There are a ton of problems. It has been a national joke for sometime now. Every time something good happens---Super Bowl, etc. we do something stupid to get back on the map. What the mayor and his chief of staff did was criminal. They should pay the price and he should be made to resign. The next mayor has a HUGE job to do! I do not care if the next mayor is black, white, Hispanic, Asian or Martian! We just need a competent, passionate about the city person! (oh, I don't care if they are male, female, transgendered either). We have to get on the same page (and this means the suburbs too) and try to make this city great again! The downtown area of Chicago is awesome! The flats of Cleveland are a ton of fun (albeit hetero for the most part). The inner city can thrive---if we can get the right leadership and cooperation from everyone!! Sorry--speech is over!!
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    May 08, 2008 7:22 AM GMT
    Is the song Detroit "love that city" or Detroit "my lovely city" cant find out from anyone furr shurr?
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    May 08, 2008 7:38 AM GMT
    Never trust a Black man,who cheats on his wife
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    May 08, 2008 9:48 AM GMT
    hmmm...all these undertones and generalizations...gotta love them!barfie.gif

    I'm starting to wonder if I should ever expect anything different.

    No worries though b/c you all who are making them sound about as ignorant as the people you seek to denigrate.

    Hey Rocco here is an example of how dumb you sound:

    Never trust a guy who porks other guys...he may one day rape your son!!!!

    I guess it does not help that you are from South Africa! There are plenty of stupid generalizations I could make about Afrikaans

    And if you were being facetious with your one liner (Rocco) then I suggest you add some emoticons next time.

    Oh and I love the generalization: Black people are in this city are awesome...but black people in this city are rude. You may consider your statement the biproduct of a simple observation. But the fact of the matter is that your conclusion is flawed.

    What you said is the equivalent of saying: All Lebanese are terrorists...but all Jordanians are awesome