[i]Homo sapiens superioris[/i]

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    Apr 29, 2008 7:16 AM GMT
    Every time a good movie, good music, good food, good art, or good novel comes out and it's directed/performed.cooked/drawn/written by a guy, people automatically say "he's gay."

    Every time someone is too good-looking, too smart, too funny, too kind, too sincere, people automatically say "he's gay."

    Leonardo da Vinci? Tom Cruise anyone? It's gone to such lengths that 'hot' Hollywood stars now have to take a girlfriend or risk being labeled gay.

    Are we really that special? LOL A cut above the straight herd?

    It puts into mind the statistics that even though we (GLBT folks) are only like less than 10% of the human population and yet we figure prominently as important people in history - leaders, poets, writers, artists, etc.

    Lord Byron, Alexander the Great, even Shakespeare.

    Thoughts?

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    Apr 29, 2008 7:45 AM GMT
    See it's evolution in a way, homosexual/gays/queers etc .. its what happens when mother nature/God/The Tao gets tired of the same ole' thing. As far as all those clever people who have gone before us and will follow us: Sometimes we need creation more than procreation.

    Okay .. I really believe all people are the same. But if homo's are not a better part of creation, they are at least a necessary part.
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    Apr 29, 2008 7:59 AM GMT
    Yeah, but what makes us special?

    The lack of inhibition when it comes to gender roles? The um... equal parts of the yin and the yang in us? icon_wink.gif Or the experiences we go through as 'outcasts' of the 'normal' society?
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    Apr 29, 2008 8:24 AM GMT
    With my experience with the gay community. It has a lot too do with this. Wanting to out str8 men in hollywood, or sport, as gay. It's like you admire this person, but they are gay. To force their own political agenda. So many gay people don't like being outed. So how must the str8 ones feel.


    I myself. Do not go out of my way if a product, is gay made. Will not make me buy it. I can't stand Tom Cruse. So him being a gay. Would not make One like him anymore.

    Nor would I vote for Hillary, if she was a dyke.
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:18 PM GMT
    I have said it before, so apologies for the repeat.

    Alexander the Great wasn't gay, he was Greek.

    But I think it has to do with space. Industrial and agricultural society is dependent on producing miserable babies to take your place when you die. The arts are outside that space and so are exempt from the conventions of it.

    I read a good book on the pivotal contributions of queer artists to American music: Cage, Bernstein, Porter, etc
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    Apr 29, 2008 1:50 PM GMT
    'Greek', 'gay' what's the difference?icon_wink.gif


    'too good-looking, too smart, too funny, too kind, too sincere',

    tom cruise?

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    Apr 29, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    Sedative saidYeah, but what makes us special?


    I don't get it. Where are you getting the special thing from?

    Celebrities and historical figures get accused of being gay if they can't get slapped with something else... as public figures, they're gonna be picked on, no matter what.

    I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the "we're special" bus... although, I have had to take some "we're special" classes, mostly to get through my math credits.
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    It does seem that as a group, gays have a higher income than the general population, but that is just an observation of mine. It seems that we are an important group not only in the economy but in politics as well, despite being only 10% of the population.


    After I realized I was gay, I always felt a little inferior, or damaged, or incomplete or something. After a bit of depression, I decided in high school that I was going to be better than everyone at everything I could to make up for my "deficiency". So I excelled at academics and sports, which made me feel more equal to all my straight friends.

    Since then I've re-evaluated my reasons for working hard, but I must say that it was a good motivation that got me great scholarships and opportunities in higher education.

    Maybe this is not uncommon. Anyone else ever feel this way?
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    Apr 30, 2008 10:56 AM GMT
    dakuk said'Greek', 'gay' what's the difference?icon_wink.gif


    'too good-looking, too smart, too funny, too kind, too sincere',

    tom cruise?



    NOOO! Tom Cruise was seriously too goodlooking when he was younger. Admit it!

    But he's batshit crazy now! icon_lol.gif

    novembermikeI don't get it. Where are you getting the special thing from?


    I first read it on the famous Letter to Louise on the seventh point by the priest. Quoted directly as follows:

    It is well known that while certain characteristics are dominant in men and others dominant in women, all people have some of both characteristics. Psychologists have found that the gay man has an exceptional supply of feminine characteristics (enough that he falls in love with a man -?), and the lesbian has an exceptional supply of male characteristics (enough that she falls in love with a woman -?). Psychologists are recognizing that this special combination of characteristics in homosexuals often results in their having exceptional potential.



    Psychologist Mark Friedman, from a series of tests administered to both gays and lesbians, found that the homosexuals he tested were superior to their heterosexual counterparts in such psychological qualities as autonomy, spontaneity, orientation toward the present, and increased sensitivity to the value of the person.7-1 Thielicke remarked that the homosexual "is frequently gifted with a remarkable heightened sense of empathy."7-2



    The eminent psychologist Jung gives five very positive aspects of the homosexual male:


    • This [homosexuality] gives him a great capacity for friendship, which often creates ties of astonishing tenderness between men, and may even rescue friendship between the sexes from its limbo of the impossible.

    • He may have good taste and an aesthetic sense which are fostered by the presence of a feminine streak.

    • Then, he may be supremely gifted as a teacher because of his almost feminine insight and tact.

    • He is likely to have a feeling for history, and to be conservative in the best sense and cherish the values of the past.

    • Often he is endowed with a wealth of religious feelings, which help him to bring the ecclesia spiritualis [the spiritual church] into reality, and a spiritual receptivity which makes him responsive to revelation.7-3



    A special hope for homosexual influence on society is expressed by McNeill:

    There is no doubt that the homosexual man is freer to develop aesthetic values than is his male counterpart in the heterosexual world, and thus he has an important role to play in guiding humanity to a deeper appreciation of aesthetic values.... There is the hopeful possibility that the homosexual community could serve the human community as a whole by making the male free to do works of service in the human community without feeling guilty about betraying the standards of his male identity.7-4



    Many writers speak of the contributions gays and lesbians have made to our world and name dozens of examples, some of the world's most famous statesmen, artists, writers, musicians, etc., present and past. While gays and lesbians make up probably 4%-6% of the population, a study of the biographies of 1004 eminent people found 11% of them to be homosexual or bisexual, with certain categories higher: 24% of poets, 21% of fiction writers, and 15% of artists and musicians.7-5



    Louise, it seems as though one ought to look on a gay or a lesbian as potentially a very special person made that way by God, one we should seek out, especially for our churches.
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    Apr 30, 2008 11:14 AM GMT
    it's true many of the truly gifted people in history Have been either gay or had somewhat broken the rigidity of the heterosexual roles
    and I think it's for exactly that reason they were able to go beyond most regular human thought
    they were able to look at humanity through a different perspective and instead of seeing man and women and society in specific role models see beyond that and go deeper into whatever they were studying
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    Apr 30, 2008 12:59 PM GMT
    This topic returns us to the nature or nurture debate. Are most gay men “special” because they have gay genes or are they “special” because they have adapted their responses from being gay?

    I have no idea really but it is an interesting question. Have our gay genes given us certain talents like being good caregivers because we have a perspective from both the male and female aspects; some would say both left and right brained.

    Or, on the other hand, because we are gay we are sometimes treated differently in a society. Does this treatment cause us to think differently about something, a problem or a concept, for example, in the creation of an art piece?

    Are some of us special, perhaps, because of both affects?
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    Apr 30, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI have said it before, so apologies for the repeat.

    Alexander the Great wasn't gay, he was Greek.

    But I think it has to do with space. Industrial and agricultural society is dependent on producing miserable babies to take your place when you die. The arts are outside that space and so are exempt from the conventions of it.

    I read a good book on the pivotal contributions of queer artists to American music: Cage, Bernstein, Porter, etc


    From what One has read on History Alexander was bi. But not Greek, but Macedonian. But homosexuals have been around since man first began to walk upright, maybe even before?

    So since homosexuality, is a thread in the fabric of history. We have been a part of all wars. We have had kings, Queens, Popes, warriors, whom have been homosexual.


    I love art. I have spent a lot of cash on it. But this has nothing to do with Ones sexuality. I was to grow up around art, but not many homosexuals.
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    Apr 30, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    we need to procreate, and pass down our fabulousness to the future generations!

    *gets a mag and a cup* hmm... now i need a surrogate mother
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    Apr 30, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    Yes, we have superpowers.

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    Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM GMT
    Pattison saidFrom what One has read on History Alexander was bi. But not Greek, but Macedonian. But homosexuals have been around since man first began to walk upright, maybe even before?


    Al was totally into boy ass, just like every other Greek. Having sex with people of your own gender was part of Greek culture (Macedonians were part of broader greek culture). So applying our term of 'gay' is anachronistic, as gayness (not homosexuality) is a recent invention. But I didn't want to open that can of worms. I just enjoy saying "he wasn't gay he was Greek". icon_biggrin.gif

    And homos totally existed before man. Check out Bonobo chimps. It is like a constant pansexual orgy out there.
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    Apr 30, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    yes, we are special. enough said.

    oh, and i'm a superhero. i've said this on another thread:

    i'm kittenboy (catwoman's sidekick). my special power it rubbing my ass on your lap and learning the truth of your thoughts. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    Not to make sweeping generalizations or anything, but it sort of seems sometimes that straight men "give up" on their looks, clothes, manners, etc. at a certain point in their lives (around marriage?) and we don't. Someone said earlier that we also have the "We Try Harder" thing going on just to be seen as worthy to the rest of the culture.

    The truth of the matter is that we are, in fact, a higher order of being than heterosexuals. This is universally known and accepted, so I don't know why we are even having this discussion.
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    Apr 30, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Our society has an unhealthy fixation on sexuality in general. Sex is still considered "dirty" as opposed to a natural part of any living creatures existence. Even people that do not religious hang-ups about sex use the term "having dirty thoughts".

    This demonization of sex gets far worse when you start talking about gay sex (lesbians don't have the same issues because women have traditionally not been seen as "sexual" to the same extent as men). People seem to automatically think of sodomy first of all which is equated with being dirty, as well if a guy is sodomized by another guy he is viewed as less of a "man". Never mind that some gay men do not engage in sodomy (or anal sex if you prefer), and that two men having sex can be a very masculine experience.

    I got turned off society's obsession with sex years ago. It is a big yawn in movies and the tabloid media's constant speculating on who is gay and is not, who is sleeping with who, who is pregnant, just goes in one ear and out the other.

    When gay men ask me to speculate about who is gay I just shrug my shoulders and say "maybe, does it matter?" Needless to say questions of what I do in bed get totally ignored.

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    Apr 30, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidmy special power it rubbing my ass on your lap and learning the truth of your thoughts. icon_wink.gif


    Your ass is like Wonder Woman's lasso! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 30, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    Can I be superhouseboy? I can't clean for shit though. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 14, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    if only gay couples could produce offspring. icon_cool.gif
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    May 14, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    What makes homosexuals special is their psychological hermaphroditism (or, if you prefer, inversion).

    I'm fabulous, honey!icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 14, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Tonydastallion21 saidif only gay couples could produce offspring. icon_cool.gif




    its more popular now than you'd think, i plan to do, however, i think i'm going to either do insemination or just find some lucky lady and get really drunk, with all the details explained of course. lol Its sad that i've already named the kids i want/plan to have, haha.
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    May 15, 2008 1:13 AM GMT

    “Homosexuality is god's way of insuring that the truly gifted aren't burdened with children.” -sam austin...

    I have too much planned to have kids i think. selfish i know. but i'll probably just spoil the hell out of my brothers kids..
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    May 15, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    I always say it's tougher for straight big achievers than gay ones as we're not saddled with family and kids. That is quickly changing though. Just as the notion of 'woman's work' has fallen aside, the next thing you know we'll see lots of straight make-up artists, costume designers, etc. Stereotypes are best broken anyway.