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    Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
    the famine situation in Somalia. Reading through most comments on various boards, it seems the average American is of the opinion that they should just be left to die out - self-decimate, so to speak. Most people seem to feel that they represent a sector of the humanity beyond help or redemption - it's useless commiserating with their problems. Do you even slightly care about their situation?

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    Jul 31, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    Nope. icon_surprised.gif
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    Jul 31, 2011 7:16 PM GMT
    World hunger isn't a problem, it's a symptom of a much larger, much more complex issue than "oh these people are starving, let's give them food and then everything will be ok". General apathy I think stems from people trying to wrap their heads around it as a direct problem, which they can't because it's not. What's the real problem? Without going into a 40 page discourse it's basically a mixture of centuries of colonization, the uneven distribution of global wealth, uncertainty of national identity, cultural racism and lack of human recognition for fellow humanity. "Giving a damn" isn't as easy as giving a damn, unfortunately, and although PayPal'ing $15 may make you sleep better at night and garner you a nod of approval from your immediate community, it doesn't do a damn fucking thing for the root issue.

    "Well it's better than doing nothing!"

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    raindrops saidthe famine situation in Somalia. Reading through most comments on various boards, it seems the average American is of the opinion that they should just be left to die out - self-decimate, so to speak. Most people seem to feel that they represent a sector of the humanity beyond help or redemption - it's useless commiserating with their problems. Do you even slightly care about their situation?



    Yes - and the problem isn't a lack of money or resources (or colonialism or distribution of resources), it's the lack of a government and local feudalism who use famine for political purposes.

    Famines are an easily solvable problem - it just requires a local government that cares. e.g. are you aware that there hasn't ever been a famine in a country with a representative democracy?

    A sustainable solution? Stand by and support those who struggle for freedom, liberty and rule of law.
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    Jul 31, 2011 8:06 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidWorld hunger isn't a problem, it's a symptom of a much larger, much more complex issue than "oh these people are starving, let's give them food and then everything will be ok". General apathy I think stems from people trying to wrap their heads around it as a direct problem, which they can't because it's not. What's the real problem? Without going into a 40 page discourse it's basically a mixture of centuries of colonization, the uneven distribution of global wealth, uncertainty of national identity, cultural racism and lack of human recognition for fellow humanity. "Giving a damn" isn't as easy as giving a damn, unfortunately, and although PayPal'ing $15 may make you sleep better at night and garner you a nod of approval from your immediate community, it doesn't do a damn fucking thing for the root issue.

    "Well it's better than doing nothing!"

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    +1

    You are so right.
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    Jul 31, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidWorld hunger isn't a problem, it's a symptom of a much larger, much more complex issue than "oh these people are starving, let's give them food and then everything will be ok". General apathy I think stems from people trying to wrap their heads around it as a direct problem, which they can't because it's not. What's the real problem? Without going into a 40 page discourse it's basically a mixture of centuries of colonization, the uneven distribution of global wealth, uncertainty of national identity, cultural racism and lack of human recognition for fellow humanity. "Giving a damn" isn't as easy as giving a damn, unfortunately, and although PayPal'ing $15 may make you sleep better at night and garner you a nod of approval from your immediate community, it doesn't do a damn fucking thing for the root issue.

    "Well it's better than doing nothing!"

    You'd be surprised icon_eek.gif


    Apparently that nerve is sensitive. So is mine.
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    Jul 31, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Have you seen what happens to the help sent over there? I care, but the people there aren't changing for the better. When one person gets food, they all fight like savages instead of waiting to get some too if there is more food available.
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    DCEric said

    Apparently that nerve is sensitive. So is mine.


    I've no visceral or emotional connection to the issue, to be frank. I did some formal study on it in college though, so I've some actual input on the issue.
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    DCEric said

    Apparently that nerve is sensitive. So is mine.


    I've no visceral or emotional connection to the issue, to be frank. I did some formal study on it in college though, so I've some actual input on the issue.


    Oh sure!!! Bring education, logic and practical knowledge into it!!!!

    How exactly is THAT supposed to fuel a flame war? You didn't even use foul language or wish death and disease on anyone. What is the point?!?!?!?!
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
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    Oh sure!!! Bring education, logic and practical knowledge into it!!!!

    How exactly is THAT supposed to fuel a flame war? You didn't even use foul language or wish death and disease on anyone. What is the point?!?!?!?!


    I don't date Asians.

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    Palestine.

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    Harvest.

    Umadbro?

    That about covers it!
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Cash said

    Oh sure!!! Bring education, logic and practical knowledge into it!!!!

    How exactly is THAT supposed to fuel a flame war? You didn't even use foul language or wish death and disease on anyone. What is the point?!?!?!?!


    I don't date Asians.

    Straight-acting.

    penis lol.

    Palestine.

    Faggot.

    No fats or fems.

    Harvest.

    Umadbro?

    That about covers it!


    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSo my pennies in the lil' orange Unicef box at halloween aren't taking care of the problem already? Huh.


    UNICEF is probably one of the least efficient organizations in the world with literally pennies of their operating budget going to actually helping people and implementing largely bandaid solutions in the developing world. Worse, they have been embroiled with child sex scandals over the years.

    The best thing the developed world could do to reduce hunger in the third world would be to immediately eliminate ethanol subsidies and farm subsidies quickly after. Both distort incentives in the developing world to grow food as excess food is often dumped in developing countries in the name of "food aid" driving farmers out of business.
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    Cash said

    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.


    =(

    I just want my straight jock roommate to hold me and penetrate me....icon_cry.gif
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    Jul 31, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Cash said

    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.


    =(

    I just want my straight jock roommate to hold me and penetrate me....icon_cry.gif


    That makes about a million of us. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 31, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
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    raindrops saidthe famine situation in Somalia. Reading through most comments on various boards, it seems the average American is of the opinion that they should just be left to die out - self-decimate, so to speak. Most people seem to feel that they represent a sector of the humanity beyond help or redemption - it's useless commiserating with their problems. Do you even slightly care about their situation?



    Yes - and the problem isn't a lack of money or resources (or colonialism or distribution of resources), it's the lack of a government and local feudalism who use famine for political purposes.

    Famines are an easily solvable problem - it just requires a local government that cares. e.g. are you aware that there hasn't ever been a famine in a country with a representative democracy?

    A sustainable solution? Stand by and support those who struggle for freedom, liberty and rule of law.


    +1...very well said
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    Jul 31, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    cityaznguy said
    Ariodante said
    Cash said

    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.


    =(

    I just want my straight jock roommate to hold me and penetrate me....icon_cry.gif


    That makes about a million of us. icon_lol.gif

    I hope they at least let him rest a minute while they change places.
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    Jul 31, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    I suspect that not having oil, water, gold or diamonds under their feet is what's preventing international intervention.
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    Jul 31, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    Famine in East Africa? I blame global dimming actually...





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    Jul 31, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    How rainfall may be reduced by pollution:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming#Relationship_to_hydrological_cycle
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    Jul 31, 2011 11:07 PM GMT
    From the BBC programme (which Im not going to say is correct, Id much rather first check with more climatologists if this is correct, since the subject has not received nearly as much press as global warming), explaining the possibilities of Air pollution in the northern hemisphere affecting rainfall in East Africa..... it is possible that its simply a natural phenomenon of course, but good science means investigating all possibilities

    The 1984 Ethiopian famine shocked the world. It was partly caused by a decade's long drought right across sub-Saharan Africa - a region known as the Sahel. For year after year the summer rains failed. At the time some scientists blamed overgrazing and poor land management. But now there's evidence that the real culprit was Global Dimming. The Sahel's lifeblood has always been a seasonal monsoon. For most of the year it is completely dry. But every summer, the heat of the sun warms the oceans north of the equator. This draws the rain belt that forms over the equator northwards, bringing rain to the Sahel. But for twenty years in the 1970s and 80s the tropical rain belt consistently failed to shift northwards - and the African monsoon failed. For climate scientists like Leon Rotstayn the disappearance of the rains had long been a puzzle. He could see that pollution from Europe and North America blew right across the Atlantic, but all the climate models suggested it should have little effect on the monsoon. But then Rotstayn decided to find out what would happen if he took the Maldive findings into account.

    DR LEON ROTSTAYN (CSIRO Atmospheric Research): What we found in our model was that when we allowed the pollution from Europe and North America to affect the properties of the clouds in the northern hemisphere the clouds reflected more sunlight back to space and this cooled the oceans of the northern hemisphere. And to our surprise the result of this was that the tropical rain bands moved southwards tracking away from the more polluted northern hemisphere towards the southern hemisphere.

    NARRATOR: Polluted clouds stopped the heat of the sun getting through. That heat was needed to draw the tropical rains northwards. So the life giving rain belt never made it to the Sahel.

    DR LEON ROTSTAYN: So what our model is suggesting is that these droughts in the Sahel in the 1970s and the 1980s may have been caused by pollution from Europe and North America affecting the properties of the clouds and cooling the oceans of the northern hemisphere.


    From the YOUTUBE series on Global Dimming posted above... here is the script, I must admit, BBC is the only source that I have heard of it, I tend to take them a bit more serious than most networks, which is why I note this for discussion: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
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    Aug 01, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
    cityaznguy said
    Ariodante said
    Cash said

    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.


    =(

    I just want my straight jock roommate to hold me and penetrate me....icon_cry.gif


    That makes about a million of us. icon_lol.gif


    Well I may not be straight, but I sure wouldn't mind having a guy to hold and penetrate on a regular basis, lol...
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    Aug 01, 2011 12:58 PM GMT
    Cash said
    Ariodante said
    Cash said

    Oh sure!!! Bring education, logic and practical knowledge into it!!!!

    How exactly is THAT supposed to fuel a flame war? You didn't even use foul language or wish death and disease on anyone. What is the point?!?!?!?!


    I don't date Asians.

    Straight-acting.

    penis lol.

    Palestine.

    Faggot.

    No fats or fems.

    Harvest.

    Umadbro?

    That about covers it!


    WTF?!!??! You didn't even mention parades, bi dudes over 40 or GaGa?!?!??!

    Amateur.


    Damn, that leaves me out!