Do you use a comma before the conjunctive word "and"?

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    Apr 29, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    For example:
    "Tom, Dick, and Harry are the newest members of RJ."
    I would normally write:
    "Tom, Dick and Harry are the newest members of RJ."
    Please enlighten ZiM. Thanks!
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:16 PM GMT
    both are correct. they are different styles. the former is an older usage, but still correct. the latter is the format we use at the newspaper. it's called "a.p."

    there are lots of styles, each with their own list of uses for punctuation, abbreviations, etc.
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:18 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidthere are lots of styles, each with their own list of uses for punctuation, abbreviations, etc.

    Which also reminds me: the use of comma before the latin abbreviation "etc."? Are both ways acceptable?
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:32 PM GMT
    it all depends on the style you're using... you should just be consistent. the older style calls for all items in a list to be separated by a comma. other styles say all but the last item in a list are separated by a comma. in the "a.p." style we use at the paper we aren't allowed to use commas between independent clauses!!!!

    i see you, and i am happy

    vs

    i see you and i am happy


    it took me forever to stop using that comma at work!!!
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    I hate it when they put a comma before 'and'

    Bugs the hell out of me

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    Apr 29, 2008 3:46 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidI hate it when they put a comma before 'and'
    Bugs the hell out of me
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    Yes, I hate seeing a comma before "and" too! x
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    Apr 29, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
    I'm a fan of the comma and use it before the conjuctive word "and" when listing three or more items.

    I understand that this is a grammatical faux pas in British English; it's also almost never used in Norwegian, much to my frustration (and temporary confusion).
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    My understanding (and rememberance) is that there is not to be a comma before "and".
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidI'm a fan of the comma and use it before the conjuctive word "and" when listing three or more items.

    This is interesting.
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    It's called the "Oxford Comma". I am a fan. Vampire Weekend wrote a song about it, but they seem to be less enthusiastic.

    Technically, both are correct. Depending on when and where you went to school, you were probably taught that one was correct and the other was evil. A similar phenomenon seems to have happened with turning words ending in "s" into possessives. (e.g. "Chris' pet cat..." versus "Chris's pet cat...")

    I prefer to use the comma because it removes any potential confusion. Here's my example:

    "My favorite BBQ side dishes are corn, potato salad and pork and beans."

    It's much less ambiguous as to whether "pork" is part of "potato salad" or "beans" when you write it this way:

    "My favorite BBQ side dishes are corn, potato salad, and pork and beans."

    This matters a lot more when you're writing technical language with lots of adjectives.




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    Apr 29, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    zimatar saidFor example:
    "Tom, Dick, and Harry are the newest members of RJ."
    I would normally write:
    "Tom, Dick and Harry are the newest members of RJ."
    Please enlighten ZiM. Thanks!


    Both are used, Zim.

    I prefer "Tom, Dick, and Harry." I find that is it is clearer and less confusing. Here's why.

    In this example, one might not know if this is a list of 2 or 3 books: Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and A Tramp Abroad.

    Whereas there is no confusion here: Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, and A Tramp Abroad.
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    I can think of lots of words to describe you hobronto annoying isnt one of them, there would be lots of sexual references in it though so I may get booted off!!!!!

    But you should join forces with that grammar facist caslon. I would agree with you on that example but it is an exception to the rule.
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    ha ha ha and while I was responding the grammar facist came in I knew he could not resist ha ha ha ha ha
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    hobronto saidWow, I'm an annoying fucker, aren't I?

    Not all at... we discussed about this in private recently, didn't we? icon_razz.gif
    Yes, I was reminded that the possessive apostrophe for nouns ending in letter "s", regardless if the word in question is plural or singular, should be spelled out with an apostrophe + s if the whole word is pronounced as one syllable, e.g. Bridget Jones's Diary
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidha ha ha and while I was responding the grammar facist came in I knew he could not resist ha ha ha ha ha


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    Hey, what are you talking about? I dont make gratuitous criticisms of people's grammar. In fact, I am of the option that threads are an informal form of writing in which typos and misspellings are bound to happen and one just lets them slide.

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    Apr 29, 2008 4:19 PM GMT
    Caslon saidWhereas there is no confusion here: Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, and A Tramp Abroad.

    Oh in that case, I capitalize all first letters of the words in a title, e.g. "Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and Jack And The Beanstalk" or if I am generous I'd write it this way: "Tom Sawyer", "Huckleberry Finn" and "Jack And The Beanstalk"
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    big love big manxxxxxx

    I just remember our discussion on this subject last time and ya proved me wrong and a stoopid Englishman with minimal command of his own language

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    Apr 29, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
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    THIS THREAD WON'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT SEEING ANY OF THOSE BLOODY CAT PICS. . .and fights!!!
    *bitchez*
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    zimatar saidI JUST KNEW IT!!!
    THIS THREAD WON'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT SEEING ANY OF THOSE BLOODY CAT PICS. . .and fights!!!
    *bitchez*


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    Apr 29, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    zimatar said[quote][cite]Caslon said[/cite] I capitalize all first letters of the words in a title, e.g. "Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and Jack And The Beanstalk" or if I am generous I'd write it this way: "Tom Sawyer", "Huckleberry Finn" and "Jack And The Beanstalk"


    Nobody else in the English speaking world captializes "and" in a title. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    I aint fighting I am just prepping him for a shag he likes being treated mean ya know icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    zimatar saidI JUST KNEW IT!!!
    THIS THREAD WON'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT SEEING ANY OF THOSE BLOODY CAT PICS. . .and fights!!!
    *bitchez*


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    Apr 29, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidI aint fighting I am just prepping him for a shag he likes being treated mean ya know icon_lol.gif


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