Wheat bread

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    Aug 01, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    While I'm not looking to lose weight (I'm actually looking to gain) I am always looking for ways to maximize good food intake and minimize foods that will quickly turn to fat.

    I've heard that wheat bread ... even whole ... is not an efficient source of food... that it quickly turns to fat around the midsection if you have it regularly ... and that replacing it with other foods is good for maximizing your calories and minimizing fat.

    Anyone know anything about this?

    One suggestion I heard was to replace wheat bread (for example, wheat toast with eggs and oats in the morning) with a banana... same calories, but not the kind that quickly will turn to fat when you add it to more wheat throughout the day...

    Instead of tuna on whole wheat... do tuna in a spinach salad...

    etc.

    I'm not going to completely eliminate wheat from my diet... (wheat pasta is good)... but I am going to decrease it and see what happens.

    Thoughts and experiences?
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    Aug 01, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    Check out the Paleo diet. No processed carbs, like bread, but it is a full fat full protein diet so you can gain muscle and have plenty of energy to work out.
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    Aug 01, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
    lookin into it...
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    Aug 01, 2011 11:05 PM GMT
    Try giving wheat the boot for a week. You'll look and feel a lot better.
  • dancedancekj

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    Aug 01, 2011 11:16 PM GMT
    Discovering my wheat allergy was about the best thing to happen to me. Not only do I find it easier to maintain my weight, but I don't get my usual post-insulin sleepiness after meals and it has expanded my dietary vocabulary to include a lot of other healthier alternatives.
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    Aug 01, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    I have been taking a break from the gym for the past couple of weeks and since I have been doing so I am not eating any pasta, oatmeal or rice. My body is looking quite good and I am still just as lean if not a tad leaner.


    Pics or it ain't true!
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    Aug 01, 2011 11:48 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidYup, I'm not doing a full paleo, but I'm blown away at how much better I feel by getting rid of most carbs. I do eat pot barley but other than that, it's just the carbs from beans (non-paleo, I know) and fruits/veg. I think I was addicted to carbs! I find that I'm hungry a lot less by getting off that carb yo-yo.


    Same here! Every time I introduce ANY bread on a regular or semi-regular basis (more than one serving per week) I gain belly fat. This is not true for everyone but for many guys bread and other starchy foods like potatoes are the culpret. Any time somebody tries to sell me on the merits of whole wheat and other grains being healthy carbs, I smile politely but continue to ditch the bun. It's pretty easy to eat plenty of carbs from vegitables and fruit.

    There's nothing like walking away from lunch meeting with out being the slightest bit sleepy! In fact, if I eat something that I've been told was low carb...I can actually feel the sensation of my blood sugar rising if the meal contained more carbs than reported. Happens sometime with starch and sugar ladden sauces, dressings.
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    Aug 02, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    Tried Intermittent Fasting?

    http://thesameffect.com/my-experiences-with-intermittent-fasting/

    I seen others do really well in this controversial diet. I am going to try it soon.
  • kcbronc

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    Aug 02, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    Paleo is great from what I have seen and read. I'm just stating to look in to and plan on jumping on the band wagon once I get a better understanding. There is a version of the Paleo diet for athletes that allows for some cabs pre and post workouts. My roommate is a professional swimmer and she is planning on following the Paleo for athletes plan.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Aug 02, 2011 8:27 AM GMT
    Only just heard about the diet, but I'm suspicious about the claims that the fat is providing the immediate energy for the workout. I think there's a thing called the pancreas that supplies sugar for that.
  • mikey_101

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    Aug 02, 2011 10:35 AM GMT
    mikey_101 saidMake your own bread, but ditch the modern wheat.

    Use Rye or Spelt flour and mix 50/50 with the waste from making Nut/Seed Milk
    http://paleofood.com/nmilks.htm

    This way your not using processed wheat, and the added benefit of fibre, (protein and minerals) from the nut milk reminants that would other wise go to waste.

    Add milk with a spot of lemon to the spelt/rye/nut mix with Bicarbinate of Soda, and bake.

    Have a serving every otherday ....................

    Voila.
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    Aug 02, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFull time athletes cannot get by on diets like Paleo or diets that don't provide enough glycogen.


    There are shades of paleo. The different versions are not identical. The version I have been on allows and encourages starchy root vegetables. Its focus is not that is is low carb, but that it´s no grains, no legumes, no dairy.

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    Aug 02, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
    I eat way too much bread and carbs. I just cant seem to kick it.
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    Aug 02, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidI eat way too much bread and carbs. I just cant seem to kick it.


    Me too, but I keep trying!
  • Starboard

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    Aug 02, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    What increases your blood glucose more than wheat? Not much. Personally, I'd go with the Snickers bar.

    White bread 69
    Whole wheat bread 72
    Sucrose 59
    White rice 72
    Brown rice 66
    Snickers Bar 40
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    kcbronc saidPaleo is great from what I have seen and read. I'm just stating to look in to and plan on jumping on the band wagon once I get a better understanding. There is a version of the Paleo diet for athletes that allows for some cabs pre and post workouts. My roommate is a professional swimmer and she is planning on following the Paleo for athletes plan.



    Paleo is not a carb free diet it is a PROCESSED CARB FREE DIET. Big difference but that's what makes it so easy . The magic is that it is not a starvation diet. You actually eat more good food to burn the bad fat.

    Pile on the carbs as long as they are not "dead" man made ones. My typical meal plate is 3/4 cooked and non cooked veggies, 1/4 meat with a slathering of oils and nuts. Yum

    You can cut back your gym significantly,as well, since you are not building bad fat at every meal.
  • Hokenshi

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    Aug 02, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    Dropping processed carbs would be pretty easy, cutting out dairy though...I love me some cheese at times and I can't picture myself ditching Starbucks.

    Does anyone do this diet but still take in (minimal) diary?

    I mean most of the milk I get comes from my breakfast cereal, cups of good ol' British tea and Starbucks.
    No processed carbs would mean no cereal, ergo much less milk, but it would still be part of my daily diet in general.
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    Most of us are stuck on bread. The best advice I can give is to use sprouted whole grain bread or a bread made of a mix of sprouted grain and legumes. These are flourless, gluten free, low glycemic and metabolise like protein in the body while providing amazing nutrients. Google "ezekiel breads" and read what comes up. Best of luck with it!
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    n2briefs2 saidTried Intermittent Fasting?

    http://thesameffect.com/my-experiences-with-intermittent-fasting/

    I seen others do really well in this controversial diet. I am going to try it soon.


    Are you soliciting? Perhaps have some affiliation in some way with this guy selling his online PDF book? icon_smile.gif


    No affiliation at all. That's the first link I found via google. LOL

    If i do this fasting, I will consult my trainers instead.

    Paleo works!

    There are plenty of carbs options eating paleo.
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    Hokenshi saidDropping processed carbs would be pretty easy, cutting out dairy though...I love me some cheese at times and I can't picture myself ditching Starbucks.

    Does anyone do this diet but still take in (minimal) diary?

    I mean most of the milk I get comes from my breakfast cereal, cups of good ol' British tea and Starbucks.
    No processed carbs would mean no cereal, ergo much less milk, but it would still be part of my daily diet in general.


    Just sub dairy with heavy cream at Starbucks. That's what I do(the rest of us at my crossfit gym) when we follow Paleo diet.

    I was told there's a Paleo Dairy diet. I heard about it from my trainer. I don't care for dairy so I did not ask further. Let me know and I can inquire this info for you.
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    Hokenshi saidDropping processed carbs would be pretty easy, cutting out dairy though...I love me some cheese at times and I can't picture myself ditching Starbucks.

    Does anyone do this diet but still take in (minimal) diary?

    I mean most of the milk I get comes from my breakfast cereal, cups of good ol' British tea and Starbucks.
    No processed carbs would mean no cereal, ergo much less milk, but it would still be part of my daily diet in general.




    Atkins says cheese is a big exception . It's not processed in your body like other diary. My experimentation with Paleo leads me to believe non gummy natural cheese is OK. Paleo Btw gives you a sixth sense regarding what you should be eating.
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    Aug 02, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    n2briefs2 said
    Hokenshi saidDropping processed carbs would be pretty easy, cutting out dairy though...I love me some cheese at times and I can't picture myself ditching Starbucks.

    Does anyone do this diet but still take in (minimal) diary?

    I mean most of the milk I get comes from my breakfast cereal, cups of good ol' British tea and Starbucks.
    No processed carbs would mean no cereal, ergo much less milk, but it would still be part of my daily diet in general.


    Just sub dairy with heavy cream at Starbucks. That's what I do(the rest of us at my crossfit gym) when we follow Paleo diet.

    I was told there's a Paleo Dairy diet. I heard about it from my trainer. I don't care for dairy so I did not ask further. Let me know and I can inquire this info for you.


    At the moment I go for the no-whip/non-fat milk options when I get my lattes, cappuccinos etc, you're saying I should switch to the opposite if I'm going to start the Paleo diet? I guess I should avoid the syrups too, or at the very least get them reduced.

    If you could ask you trainer that would be great, cheers.
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    Aug 02, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
    Hokenshi said
    n2briefs2 said
    Hokenshi saidDropping processed carbs would be pretty easy, cutting out dairy though...I love me some cheese at times and I can't picture myself ditching Starbucks.

    Does anyone do this diet but still take in (minimal) diary?

    I mean most of the milk I get comes from my breakfast cereal, cups of good ol' British tea and Starbucks.
    No processed carbs would mean no cereal, ergo much less milk, but it would still be part of my daily diet in general.


    Just sub dairy with heavy cream at Starbucks. That's what I do(the rest of us at my crossfit gym) when we follow Paleo diet.

    I was told there's a Paleo Dairy diet. I heard about it from my trainer. I don't care for dairy so I did not ask further. Let me know and I can inquire this info for you.


    At the moment I go for the no-whip/non-fat milk options when I get my lattes, cappuccinos etc, you're saying I should switch to the opposite if I'm going to start the Paleo diet? I guess I should avoid the syrups too, or at the very least get them reduced.

    If you could ask you trainer that would be great, cheers.


    I will get back to you soon with the Paleo Dairy diet.

    Yes, no processed sugary crap in your coffee. If I drink coffee(which is daily with abundance ...) during my Paleo cycle, I only use heavy cream and for some sweetness, liquid Stevia. Honey in coffee just does not sound tasty. However, I have used powdered 100% pure honey in my coffee -- that tasted good to me.

    Goat cheese is paleo. Go for goat cheese, organic preferred.

    Cheers
  • kcbronc

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    Aug 02, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    kcbronc saidPaleo is great from what I have seen and read. I'm just stating to look in to and plan on jumping on the band wagon once I get a better understanding. There is a version of the Paleo diet for athletes that allows for some cabs pre and post workouts. My roommate is a professional swimmer and she is planning on following the Paleo for athletes plan.



    Paleo is not a carb free diet it is a PROCESSED CARB FREE DIET. Big difference but that's what makes it so easy . The magic is that it is not a starvation diet. You actually eat more good food to burn the bad fat.

    Pile on the carbs as long as they are not "dead" man made ones. My typical meal plate is 3/4 cooked and non cooked veggies, 1/4 meat with a slathering of oils and nuts. Yum

    You can cut back your gym significantly,as well, since you are not building bad fat at every meal.


    Good point. I actually didn't word my response very well. The Paleo for athletes allows for different carbs that are usually restricted on the standard Paleo diet. Carbs such as pasta, bread and rice are allowed in moderation.
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    Aug 02, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    My rules:

    1) Read the label: avoid trans fats (partially hydrogenated ____), high fructose corn syrup, and weird unpronounceable chemical-sounding ingredients.
    2) Eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables.
    3) Eat 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight
    4) Eat less than 100 grams fat per day
    5) Learn your food allergies (i.e. too much dairy destroys my sinuses)
    *BONUS* Cheat occasionally for sanity

    Easy, peasy, Japanesey.