TO ALL OF YOU ON RJ: Has the Myth of the "Dumb Jock" been "dispelled"??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 29, 2008 6:15 PM GMT
    So the question was asked of me.... Do you think the old myth of the "dumb jock" has been dissolved or erased? The old stereotype of the dumb athletic guy with the athletic body... with nothing upstairs....


    My response was.. I don't think it was ever that way, it was just what the media and others.. hyped up based on a limited perception of bodybuilders.

    I remember hearing about the same kind of misconception on NPR.. about (believe it or not) comic books (being "bad" back in the late 40's or 50's)....

    So what do you think the average "jock" today is made out of?
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    Apr 29, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    sorry to disagree.

    the "average" jock is still an asshole meathead wad of wasted testosterone.

    that said, very few of the "jocks" on this site are "average."

    the question is asking about the average, which has not changed if you're including all the assholes who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to chase after a ball; however, an ever wider group of the general population is getting involved in fitness...

    all that together means that although athletic people can be well-rounded, intelligent, well-mannered individuals, true jocks (the ones who live and breathe lifting heavy objects, grunting, bullying, and generally acting like human refuse) are still as simian as ever.
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    Apr 29, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    i think i side with jack on this one. witness most post-game interviews with athletes. they tend to speak in cliches and are rarely able to string a coherent sentence together.

    even worse is when they are trotted out like trained monkeys (ala the olsen twins on 'full house'). case in point: 1995's right guard deodorant commercial featuring charles barkley. the only line of his i understood was,"anything less would be uncivilized." it's just painful to watch.

    i even believe kobe bryant 'dumbs it down' so as not to appear too smart...and i should also mention the 'other' manning who seems nice enough, but i'm afraid has been tackled a little too hard, a few too many times.

    of course, this is all m.h.o.
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    Apr 29, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    Just something I've noticed around campus . . I think people who don't work out use intelligence as a factor to insult those who have better bodies. They need to justify some reason why they are better than the jocks, so they find intelligence an easy subject to use . .
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    Apr 29, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    that observation has its merits. but it'd be ridiculous to say jocks don't do the opposite and have a sense of superiority because of their brawn. everyone has to be superior to someone else.
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    Apr 29, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    umm... please come meet the football team at my school... nothing has been dispelled.

    and i'm including the few (very few) of them that do well in school. it's just their public demeanor of being complete and utter douche bags in public settings. but who's gonna stand up for the "Dumb Models"?



  • Hagan_F

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    Apr 29, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said

    So what do you think the average "jock" today is made out of?


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    Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    pardon my ignorance as to posting a clickable link... i forgot how.

    this article ran in the l.a. times during march madness.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-luebchow5apr05,0,3571289.story
  • SoDakGuy

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    Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    No.

    I still get perceived as a dumb jock.
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    Apr 29, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    As coaching gets increasingly more complex and technical, there's less and less opportunity for the typical "dumb jock" who has no maturity, thinks of himself more than the team, or cannot follow the playbook.

    The teams giving jobs to smart players, players who graduated, student-athletes, and even some ivy leaguers, are the ones winning more and more every season.

    imho
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    Apr 29, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    No. I'm reassured by the posts of some of you, but some of you seem as dumb as a box of rocks.

    I really hate to insult boxes of rocks. Sorry, boxes of rocks.
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    Apr 29, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    Dude, what was the question again? I got sorta distracted chucking rocks at McGay's head.

    But seriously...I don't think my perceptions of 'jocks' have changed. Remember, we represent a microcosm of society here in this community, and an even smaller and more specific one within the forums.

    On the other hand, my perceptions of smart guys have changed. Now I realize they can be hot, too. icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 29, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidSo the question was asked of me.... Do you think the old myth of the "dumb jock" has been dissolved or erased? The old stereotype of the dumb athletic guy with the athletic body... with nothing upstairs....


    My response was.. I don't think it was ever that way, it was just what the media and others.. hyped up based on a limited perception of bodybuilders.

    I remember hearing about the same kind of misconception on NPR.. about (believe it or not) comic books (being "bad" back in the late 40's or 50's)....

    So what do you think the average "jock" today is made out of?


    I belive that the RJ members that fit that "dumb jock" mentality have been shown the door over the past several months by RJ management. I tend to believe that those of us who remain and are actively posting are not "AVERAGE"...that's my story and I'm sticking to it, because I know I'M NOT AVERAGE!LOL!
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    Apr 29, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    One finds this thread absolutely amusing. With the "Gay" communitie[s] so full of narcissists, it must be hard for them to be a second class citizen, thus a strong desire to bring others dawn to what they feel is the low level of society they have been forced onto, no matter how smart they think they be. It must be a hard world for a gay narcissist.

    One of my BF's has an IQ. of 145. Yes smart, and not a jock. But yet in so many other ways One is smarter than he. One can think of more than one thing at a time. So what is smart?

    Is this not a sight for real jocks. Yet there are so many weedy men, whom could never stand under the banner of a jock out in the real world.

    I know I am not the brightest crayon in the box, but I was a jock; but this too has a used by date, and One is now to old to be a jock. But I still have the big chest, shoulders, tight bubble ass, and legs to die for.

    But when One looks at all my achievements, against someone whom has not been forced to endure what I have. Maybe the only hurdle in life they have had is their sexuality. Just looking about my office now. I feel so god dam successful. My cupboards are full of food, I am very soon off to Hawaii, and live in an exclusive part of my City. So many people with an IQ higher than mine, don't have all this.

    One does not give a rats ass, if some gays here feel One is a Dumb Jock. Not being a narcissist, allows One too look at the gay community[s] for what they are. One is secure within Ones own sexuality, and world. But One was born with status too. So not something One needs to prop up a low self esteem.

    You may well feel One is a dumb Jock, because One does not, and will not be bullied into seeing things your way. How it must be a hard world, for many a gay narcissist. One feels it sad, when people need to put others dawn, to make themselves feel equal, or better.
  • metalxracr

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    Apr 29, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    Jocks in my opinion are not dumb at all. In my high school, if you were a jock, you were more than likely in several AP (Advanced Placement) classes. People who are involved in school activities usually tend to do very well in school. Also, I'm sure this applies to any school, but to play sports you have to be academically eligible. No Pass, No Play!
    Here in college its the same way! Also, some are receiving very good scholarships and must keep a very high GPA to keep it!

    So next time you're watching any sport of any kind... High school or collegiate.. realize that every single one of the players is doing good in school and is obviously passing every single one of his classes. icon_biggrin.gif

    Going years without failing any classes at all... keeping high grades (A's) in AP classes and in college is HARD. Trust me, I know! And any other athlete can tell you the same.
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    Apr 29, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    I can has cheezburger?
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    Apr 29, 2008 11:35 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI can has cheezburger?

    OMG I hate those fucking cats! hahaha
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    Apr 29, 2008 11:39 PM GMT
    metalxracr saidJocks in my opinion are not dumb at all. In my high school, if you were a jock, you were more than likely in several AP (Advanced Placement) classes. People who are involved in school activities usually tend to do very well in school. Also, I'm sure this applies to any school, but to play sports you have to be academically eligible. No Pass, No Play!
    Here in college its the same way! Also, some are receiving very good scholarships and must keep a very high GPA to keep it!

    So next time you're watching any sport of any kind... High school or collegiate.. realize that every single one of the players is doing good in school and is obviously passing every single one of his classes. icon_biggrin.gif


    Sure, that happens. But just as surely, I remember being told point-blank to grade 'easy' on the football players on several occasions so they could remain eligible. I was kinda shocked. Not saying that always happens, of course, and I'd like to think it doesn't happen more often than it does, but...it happens.
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    Apr 29, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    You know there has been progress, but there is still an annoying public misconception about jocks being big dumb meatheads. I've seen people actually make such comments in restaurants and such. I myself have had people make remarks about personal trainers, adventure recreation students, exercise physiology students, etc, something to the effect of being an okay program if you're not cut out for the real university level work. This is about the most annoying thing in the world, if people understood how much a trainer must know to get certified they would quickly change their tune. It's a lot more then giving out 10 exercises to do, involving things like endocrinology, human physiology, kinesiology, exercise prescription for special populations like cardiac patients, chronically ill people, respiratory patients, patients with orthopedic injury and structural disability, nutritional science, advanced human anatomy, and a ton more. There is a significant percentage of people that have four year degrees in exercise science that do not pass the Personal Trainer exam, yet we are still often viewed as big dumb jocks with a job.

    Thankfully, as health consciousness increases in the United States, that's improving as the Trainer is slowly beginning to be a valued asset in the quest for fitness and health, but it is still coming slowly especially in slightly older populations. You would amazed at how many people disregard the instructions of the trainer, because of the dumb jock stereotype and ego that thinks they know better. Every year cardiac patients who choose to be non-compliant with the programs recommended by qualified trainer end up with complications, heart attacks, arrhythmias and other fun problems because they still choose to believe this stereotype that the trainer is a dumb jock that might know how to get muscle bound but doesn't know medicine, which is ridiculous and sad.

    In many cases personal trainers, exercise specialists and the like know more about health then doctors. Now before I get flamed for that comment hear my reasoning. When a student goes to medical school they don't teach them health, they teach them the treatment of disease. Most MD's have less then a week of nutritional training during the course of their studies, they are taught preciously little about exercises and training, only how to treat injuries related to that when some dip stick inevitably refuses to follow the recommendations of the trainer, the one professional that actually knows about health instead of disease.

  • jmanorlando

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    Apr 29, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
    If life many people use their talents to their advantage grow that skill and work it to the fullest.

    So...
    Many jocks will choose sport over education
    Models will choose looking good over reading
    Computer guys will programming over fashion trends
    etc...
    Stereotypes exist because there are enough of them out there. How suprised people are to discover I don't have a lisp, I am not bitchy and I don't go to pride parades in a thong(becuase we know all gays do that - it is on tv)

    The good news is that stereotypes are broken down everyday by just being yourself and not acting like a dumb jock.
  • joeindallas

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    Apr 30, 2008 12:46 AM GMT
    I think it can be summed up by a guy played football next yr for Notre Dame. He had a 5.3 GPA guess lots of AP courses by had a 1730 Sat That is like a 1250 under the dual system of 1600. I could not get into State College with a 1250.
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    Apr 30, 2008 12:50 AM GMT
    There is no such thing as a dumb jock. Unless you really are dumb. Just because you like sports and want to take care of your body for health and vanity purposes does not mean you are dumb. Actually,it shows great signs of intelligence because you really think about yourself highly and want to maintain your health and your looks. Whats wrong with that?,nothing.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 30, 2008 1:38 AM GMT
    Have you heard the locker room interviews of professional athletes? OMG I can't listen to them anymore I start squirming from embarrassment. They use the words "you know" in almost every sentence.

    I don't think professional jocks are intellectually stupid, but I do think they spent so much time concentrating on trying to become professionals they ignored the rest of their education. That is not true of all pro jocks, but a large percentage.
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    Apr 30, 2008 5:29 AM GMT
    Sister tested Patrick Ewing when he went to Cambridge Ringe and Latin SWEAR to GOD ONE HS Long name. He tested out on the IQ at 71 bearly trainable
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    Apr 30, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidsorry to disagree.

    the "average" jock is still an asshole meathead wad of wasted testosterone.

    that said, very few of the "jocks" on this site are "average."

    the question is asking about the average, which has not changed if you're including all the assholes who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to chase after a ball; however, an ever wider group of the general population is getting involved in fitness...

    all that together means that although athletic people can be well-rounded, intelligent, well-mannered individuals, true jocks (the ones who live and breathe lifting heavy objects, grunting, bullying, and generally acting like human refuse) are still as simian as ever.


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