Half Black Half Latino Spider-Man

  • JockChefJim

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    Aug 02, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    OK.....all for diversity in my comic book heroes.....Black, white, Latino, gay, straight, naked......Very open minded here and love them all......but why the need to change an iconic hero....especially my favorite. (Yes, again I know I am a comic book geek.

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-08-01-black-spider-man_n.htm
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    Aug 02, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    The first half of your post was shown to be BS by the second half.... Silly rabbit.

    It isn't the first time that the spiderman power has changed between characters in the comic, so why is it only a problem now.... (rhetorical qn)
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    Aug 02, 2011 7:46 PM GMT
    JockChefJim said...but why the need to change an iconic hero....especially my favorite.
    Just to piss you off...for fun. icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 02, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
    Hand me down?
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    Aug 02, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    Thread title needs to be summarized as Blatino.
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    Aug 02, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
    If you don't like it there's always the normal Marvel Spider-Man.

    The new SM is for the new generation. I see nothing wrong with the change. I'm not a comic guy, but I like that they have the old classic still active and the new alternate SM. Maybe the next iteration will be SpiderGirl and she'll be bi or something.
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    Aug 02, 2011 10:19 PM GMT
    A couple months ago on a black GLBT site a thread was crying about Green Lantern when the movie previews came out. "Wait, they MADE him white? When did this happen?" You can guess the age range of the young'uns complaining. I LMAO'd.
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    Aug 02, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
    _SAGE_ saidThe first half of your post was shown to be BS by the second half.... Silly rabbit.

    It isn't the first time that the spiderman power has changed between characters in the comic, so why is it only a problem now.... (rhetorical qn)


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  • JockChefJim

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    Aug 02, 2011 11:16 PM GMT
    _SAGE_ saidThe first half of your post was shown to be BS by the second half.... Silly rabbit.

    It isn't the first time that the spiderman power has changed between characters in the comic, so why is it only a problem now.... (rhetorical qn)


    Actually....no BS here. Totally open to all types of heroes....just make them original. Honestly.....when they have tampered with most of the biggest icon heroes, they always regretted it and worked to reverse it. IE....Superman's death, original Green Lantern turning bad and being killed, and probably every huge change they did to Spider-Man....clone saga, death of Aunt May, the 2000 reboot of his origin, costume changes, revealing his secret id to the world, and worse of all his additional powers a few years ago. Comic book geeks (proud to be one) are very particular with our iconic heroes. Write better stories but leave the basics alone.

    I know this is a total geek thread. My intention was to bring out the kids/geeks in us. (I can't be the only one here.) It's refreshing to get away from some of the anger filled threads that you see on here a lot more and more.
  • JockChefJim

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    Aug 02, 2011 11:18 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    JockChefJim said...but why the need to change an iconic hero....especially my favorite.
    Just to piss you off...for fun. icon_twisted.gif


    LOL. I wouldn't say I was pissed....but I'm waiting to see how long before Peter Parker is brought back to life in that universe due to decreased sales.
  • JockChefJim

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    Aug 02, 2011 11:22 PM GMT
    kdsbil saidIf you don't like it there's always the normal Marvel Spider-Man.

    The new SM is for the new generation. I see nothing wrong with the change. I'm not a comic guy, but I like that they have the old classic still active and the new alternate SM. Maybe the next iteration will be SpiderGirl and she'll be bi or something.


    The new Spider Girl is a fun Latino girl set in the main Marvel universe. Doing good to. As for Spider-Man.......Fortunately they reversed the really bad "additional powers' they gave him a few years ago, but the stories and art work are still bad enough that $4 a book isn't worth it. LOL....I'm just an old gay comic book geek, dang nabbit.
  • creature

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    Aug 03, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    But it's the Ultimate universe, nothing to fret about.
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    Aug 03, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    _SAGE_ saidIt isn't the first time that the spiderman power has changed between characters in the comic, so why is it only a problem now.... (rhetorical qn)


    What makes you think the OP knows every single cartoon character race change in the history of mankind? That's a bit presumptuous.

    JockChefJim's post is perfectly logical and here's why: He states that he's happy to see diversity but he's not happy to see an identity suddenly change diversity. It's like suddenly seeing Mickey Mouse as a white mouse instead of a black mouse. I'm all for diversity but I don't want to see a fucking white Mickey Mouse to appease anyone. Mickey Mouse started off black and needs to stay black. A person can be open to seeing diversity and at the same time want to see characters maintain their identity. JockChefJim's intended message is this: if you want to add diversity add new characters; don't change history to accommodate diversity.
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    Aug 03, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    dayumm saidA couple months ago on a black GLBT site a thread was crying about Green Lantern when the movie previews came out. "Wait, they MADE him white? When did this happen?" You can guess the age range of the young'uns complaining. I LMAO'd.


    Was he black to begin with?
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    Aug 03, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    NAKED comic book hero! WHERE?
  • groundcombat

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    Aug 03, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    Re JakeBenson,

    Yuck, where to start....


    The post makes about as much sense as those that say they don't have a problem with black people so long as they don't marry their daughter.


    Sage responded that the Spiderman powers have changed hands in the past. It's a different person, it's not like they simply said Peter Parker is now a Blatino kid. This is the same situation with Green Lantern. There are several Green Lanterns. I believe the third one is black with the first two white.

    And Mickey Mouse is a mouse so that's probably not a good example.



  • TheBrad

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    Aug 03, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    JockChefJim saidOK.....all for diversity in my comic book heroes.....Black, white, Latino, gay, straight, naked......Very open minded here and love them all......but why the need to change an iconic hero....especially my favorite. (Yes, again I know I am a comic book geek.

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-08-01-black-spider-man_n.htm


    Well, this is the Ultimate Universe, so I don't have a problem with it at all. I think it's SUPER COOL! I mean...think about Nick Fury. Although, not as popular as Spidey, he is a White man in the original universe and is Black in the Ultimate. I think the Ultimate Universe gives the writers, artists, etc room to play around with elements such as race, gender, and more. Can't wait to read how he ties in with Peter and how he showcases his abilities during his first battle.

    HELLA EPIC!!!

    XD!!!
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    JockChefJim said
    kdsbil saidIf you don't like it there's always the normal Marvel Spider-Man.

    The new SM is for the new generation. I see nothing wrong with the change. I'm not a comic guy, but I like that they have the old classic still active and the new alternate SM. Maybe the next iteration will be SpiderGirl and she'll be bi or something.


    The new Spider Girl is a fun Latino girl set in the main Marvel universe. Doing good to. As for Spider-Man.......Fortunately they reversed the really bad "additional powers' they gave him a few years ago, but the stories and art work are still bad enough that $4 a book isn't worth it. LOL....I'm just an old gay comic book geek, dang nabbit.



    Damn I didn't know there WAS a spider girl...I was just pulling stuff out of my ass.
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    Aug 03, 2011 2:03 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    _SAGE_ saidIt isn't the first time that the spiderman power has changed between characters in the comic, so why is it only a problem now.... (rhetorical qn)


    What makes you think the OP knows every single cartoon character race change in the history of mankind? That's a bit presumptuous.

    JockChefJim's post is perfectly logical and here's why: He states that he's happy to see diversity but he's not happy to see an identity suddenly change diversity. It's like suddenly seeing Mickey Mouse as a white mouse instead of a black mouse. I'm all for diversity but I don't want to see a fucking white Mickey Mouse to appease anyone. Mickey Mouse started off black and needs to stay black. A person can be open to seeing diversity and at the same time want to see characters maintain their identity. JockChefJim's intended message is this: if you want to add diversity add new characters; don't change history to accommodate diversity.


    His post is actually perfectly illogical, as the "new" spiderman is not even Peter Parker. It's just another kid with spider powers.

    It'd be one thing if they named a half African, half Hispanic kid the new Peter Parker but it's not. The new kid is Miles Morales.

    The OP's complaint would be similar to complaining that there was a new speedster hero that isn't Caucasian or something.
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    Aug 03, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    groundcombat saidRe JakeBenson,

    Yuck, where to start....

    The post makes about as much sense as those that say they don't have a problem with black people so long as they don't marry their daughter.

    Sage responded that the Spiderman powers have changed hands in the past. It's a different person, it's not like they simply said Peter Parker is now a Blatino kid. This is the same situation with Green Lantern. There are several Green Lanterns. I believe the third one is black with the first two white.

    And Mickey Mouse is a mouse so that's probably not a good example.



    You completely negated my point: if a character starts out as one race why change it later? This logic holds true for all races, perceived races, and colors of all characters. Why would Peter Griffin from Family Guy suddenly become Hispanic and have skin two shades darker: to appease the rapidly growing Latino population? I don't think so. I've already made my point very clear supporting the OPs position that diversity is good but not necessarily at the expense of changing a characters physical characteristics. To me it's for the sake of continuity. I wouldn't want any character to change anything that seems physically unchangeable (unless it's within their power to do so). But if you think equating my point to not being okay with a person marrying a black daughter, then it sounds like your own have issues and aren't even paying attention to the conversation at hand.
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    Aug 03, 2011 3:04 AM GMT
    Animus saidHis post is actually perfectly illogical, as the "new" spiderman is not even Peter Parker. It's just another kid with spider powers.

    It'd be one thing if they named a half African, half Hispanic kid the new Peter Parker but it's not. The new kid is Miles Morales.

    The OP's complaint would be similar to complaining that there was a new speedster hero that isn't Caucasian or something.


    I would admit my mistake but it looks unclear as to whether this is still Spider-Man, not some knock-off of Spider-Man. The article doesn't state whether this "new" and "ultimate" Spider-Man is a second kind of Spider-Man or the recreation of the original Spider-Man. If it's a second kind of Spider-Man then the character can be a blood-sucking morbidly obese Asian tranny for all I care. But if it's the original Spider-Man being recreated, then I think it's lame to make him Blatino. And I say this having a sexual preference for Blatinos way over Whites.

    [edit]I learned "Ultimate Universe" means different Spider Man so he can be whatever race and I don't see a problem. Sorry I got confused with the OPs post and the article. I don't see a clear sentence from either of the two stating this Spider Man is different than the original. My point is still valid though as for not changing physical continuity for original characters.
  • Montague

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    Aug 03, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    Fickle civilians, hah.
  • dancedancekj

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    Aug 03, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    I was weirded out when the Oracle switched actors in the Matrix, and Dumbledore switched actors in HP. Of course, you get used to it after a while, so it may not be an issue.

    If this guy is supposed to be the replacement for Pete Parker, then he'd better be just as witty and sarcastic as him, because that's the main thing I loved about the original one. He'll just be a dorky Blatino boy instead of a Caucasian one. Unless they alter the character substantially, in which case the new guy is a dude running around in a costume with superpowers.
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    Aug 03, 2011 3:16 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    dayumm saidA couple months ago on a black GLBT site a thread was crying about Green Lantern when the movie previews came out. "Wait, they MADE him white? When did this happen?" You can guess the age range of the young'uns complaining. I LMAO'd.


    Was he black to begin with?


    there are 5 green lanterns. one of them is black. they decided to go with the most popular one for the movie. the most popular one was white.
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    Aug 03, 2011 3:16 AM GMT
    I dont see the big deal. It's not attacking Peter Parker character and he has different powers. Race didnt make Spider-Man a hero. It's all a business and I feel that comics are an art on the verge of extinction. Why not try to tap into a new demographic by making an alternate Marvel Universe. You can take some bold liberties with popular characters without affecting their historical pasts and story lines.

    Plus if it's garbage you can scrap the project and forget it ever happened....Like Meteor Man icon_evil.gif