Mass Walk-Out At Trans Woman’s Funeral

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    Aug 03, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    Mass Walk-Out At Trans Woman’s Funeral


    [url]http://www.washingtonblade.com/2011/08/02/mass-walk-out-at-trans-woman%E2%80%99s-funeral/[/url].

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    Aug 03, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    Remarks by a pastor who presided over the July 27 funeral service for Lashai Mclean, a transgender woman who was shot to death in D.C. last month, prompted as many as 100 people in attendance to walk out of the church in protest, according to activists who were present.

    “Basically, he said that God let her get killed so that people could get saved,” said D.C. gay activist and comedian Sampson McCormack, who attended the service. “And that came after somebody, I think it was a deacon, said when you live a certain lifestyle this is the consequence you have to pay.”

    McCormack and D.C. resident Arriel Horton said they knew Mclean and were among more than 300 people attending her funeral service at Purity Baptist Church near Capitol Hill.

    D.C. police said Mclean, 23, was shot near the corner of 61st and Dix Streets, N.E., in a case where investigators have yet to determine a motive and to identify a suspect. Transgender activists say they are concerned that Mclean may have been targeted due to her status as a transgender woman, even though police say they have no immediate evidence to classify the incident as a hate crime.

    McCormack and Horton told the Blade that a sermon delivered by Rev. A.W. Montgomery Sr., pastor of Agape Missionary Baptist Church in Suitland, Md., who presided over the funeral service, offended many of those in attendance, including many of Mclean’s transgender friends.

    The two also said friends of Mclean became angry when clergy and others speaking at the service referred to Mclean as “he.” McCormack said many in the audience responded by shouting the word “she.”

    In a telephone interview on Wednesday, Montgomery disputed claims that his remarks at the service were disrespectful or disparaging toward Lashai Mclean or the transgender community.

    “My perception of some things is strictly from the perception of the Bible,” he said. “Sin is sin is sin. I don’t care who you are. There’s no perfect person on this planet. Whether you’re the pope or the poorest person, all of us sin. So my remarks would never be disparaging at all. I preached the Gospel. I don’t think I was harsh.”

    Montgomery said he’s deeply saddened over Mclean’s untimely death. He said one of his objectives in delivering the eulogy was to comfort the family.

    “I have nothing to do with Myles’ life choices,” he said. “And I don’t have a problem with Lashai. That’s what she decided to do. I decided to be a preacher,” he said.

    “I will say this. We all make choices, and some choices are good and some choices are bad. And there’s consequences for all our choices, good and bad, and I would never say that in a disparaging way.”

    Rev. Robin Toogood, pastor of Purity Baptist Church, said his church agreed to host the service after the funeral home that made the funeral arrangements approached him. He said funeral home officials told him that Montgomery’s church in Suitland, to which Mclean’s family members had ties, was too small to accommodate the number of people expected to attend the service.

    Toogood said he gave welcoming remarks at the service before turning over the service to Montgomery.

    Horton, who said he was a friend of Mclean’s, said people began to leave the church while Montgomery delivered the eulogy.

    “Where I was sitting, most people walked out before he finished,” he said.

    “I was just kind of stunned,” said McCormack. “I was just sitting there listening and I and the other people were looking at each other and people in the back just started getting up and left. It was like a mass exit.”

    D.C. transgender activists Earline Budd and Jeri Hughes, who knew Lashai Mclean through their work with the D.C. transgender services organization Transgender Health Empowerment, said they recognize how Montgomery’s remarks could have been offensive to those attending the service, especially Mclean’s friends.

    But the two noted that Mclean’s family members, who were struggling over Mclean’s status as a transgender woman, organized the service and selected Pastor Montgomery to preside. Budd said some of Mclean’s family members are members of Montgomery’s church.

    “The pastor seemed to be more conciliatory after some people started to leave,” said Budd.

    Hughes said she thought most of the people who walked out did so because the service lasted a long time and many were becoming tired.

    “I wasn’t particularly offended, even though I didn’t agree with him,” Hughes said of Montgomery. “He was talking about what preachers talk about – sin and all of that. He’s just being a preacher.”
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    Aug 03, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
    Dude should have been pummeled with hymn books from the pews.
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    Aug 03, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
    mayBbignow2 saidWhy didnt they get a gay-friendly preacher is the question?

    Evidently because the family was in charge, and this is what they believe.

    Fortunately when I die the memorial service, if anyone decides to have one (I'm not having a funeral) will be under the control of my gay partner, or if he predeceases me, my gay friends will be in charge. It's all in my will. Something like this travesty will not happen to either of us.
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    Aug 03, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    "Montgomery said he’s deeply saddened over Mclean’s untimely death. He said one of his objectives in delivering the eulogy was to comfort the family."



    Yeah...real comforting words. How fucking insensitive.

    A preacher did the same thing at my cousin's funeral who died of AIDS. He said that he knew my cousin was not in heaven because he had chosen to walk with Satan. My aunt walked out of the church and dropped to the ground. She almost had a nervous breakdown.

    Being raised in the Baptist church, none of this surprises me. icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 03, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    Robin Toogood?

    Ahem.

    As for the preacher, what can we expect. Preachers are as accustomed as politicians to making statements for the grandstand. This guy simply did not realize his audience.
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    Aug 04, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    I will be dead so I won't actually care that much but I'll make it abundantly clear that religion better not be involved with my death at all.
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    Aug 04, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said"Montgomery said he’s deeply saddened over Mclean’s untimely death. He said one of his objectives in delivering the eulogy was to comfort the family."



    Yeah...real comforting words. How fucking insensitive.

    A preacher did the same thing at my cousin's funeral who died of AIDS. He said that he knew my cousin was not in heaven because he had chosen to walk with Satan. My aunt walked out of the church and dropped to the ground. She almost had a nervous breakdown.

    Being raised in the Baptist church, none of this surprises me. icon_neutral.gif

    OMG!! Are ya shitting me?!?

    I would have stood up and yelled, "He speaks with such reproach and conviction that he must BE the devil! WRONG RELIGION, WRONG HOUSE!"

    adam228 saidI will be dead so I won't actually care that much but I'll make it abundantly clear that religion better not be involved with my death at all.


    Amen brutha! Oh wait...that's a religious word. Bacon brutha!!
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    Aug 04, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    Well since the Bible says absolutely ZERO about transgendered people, I don't even know where this pastor is getting his views from except his own bigotry. The problem with the ministry is that any idiot can declare himself a minister regardless of any understanding of the faith or scriptures. Hell, they apparently don't even have to have two brain cells to rub together.
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    Aug 04, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    religion sucks.

    it's supposed to be a higher code of conduct...a higher morality that you hold yourself to because you believe it to be the right way to live. it's not supposed to be a fucking cop-out for bigoted assholes with an agenda.
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    Aug 04, 2011 6:08 PM GMT
    Why do gay people persist in following retarded religions?
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    Aug 04, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    Wow that is horrible and uncalled for.

    I went to a catholic church downtown and the guest priest was a survivor of the Holocaust. He gave a great sermon about surviving but then he added that people have AIDS because they are not following GOD and the disease is a punishment from HIM.icon_question.gifshock:icon_rolleyes.gificon_eek.gif

    So I guess all those orphans and families in Africa are all gay too???!!!!

    I left that church highly angry and never stepped foot back in there.
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    Aug 04, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
    Disgusting.

    I see nowhere in my bible where being transgendered is a sin. And even those verses lorded over us gay men against homosexuality are suspect as well.

    What a load of crap.
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    Aug 04, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidWhy do gay people persist in following retarded religions?

    Because the rest of retarded society does. So we're tempted to conform to their belief system, and the false values we are taught as innocent children. Or in any case we're forced to endure the prejudices of the majority.

    Gays are evil because some sexually repressed and conflicted preachers & politicans say we are. Never mind their personal monetary motive in persecuting us. Rail against gays, get more money in the collection plate or campaign contributions, maybe even get a TV show or a spot on FOX News.

    Sound like an echo from 70 years ago in Germany? Right-wingers of all countries always invent an enemy to consolidate their power, and in the US the Republican and Christian fundamentalist enemy is gay.

    Like it or not, we gays are ground zero in the cultural war waging in the US today. We even have pro-Repubicans operating on this site here, trying to disrupt and subvert us.

    So I'm not so sure gays "follow" retarded religions of their own choice, but rather are tricked & deceived into them by societal pressure. Hence we lack unity & political effectiveness, having little will of our own, and much conflicted. A house divided against itself cannot stand [Abraham Lincoln]. What we gays lack is unity & focus. But I fear that by our nature we will always be like herding cats, and therefore politically impotent.
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    Aug 04, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    This is sad, so so sad! Why are there still so many people believing in such evil religions, they keep talking about sins, about evils but only them, the most dirty devils who keep saying bullshit even when in a funeral like this or in the funeral Scruffypup mentioned above...

    Even though Buddhism does not bash gays, i still choose to be an atheist, while still absorbing all the good disciplines from it.

    Religions are born to make people feel better about life through set of clean disciplines, not to make people be crazy and retarded preachers trying to insult anyone that they think sinful!
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:04 AM GMT
    miamimasseur saidWell since the Bible says absolutely ZERO about transgendered people, I don't even know where this pastor is getting his views from except his own bigotry.


    I hate to correct you, but the Bible says plenty about transgenders, and it's not good. Now you have to question if you're actually going to live your life by this book.
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:11 AM GMT
    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    -Mahatma Ghandi
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:13 AM GMT
    turbobilly said"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    -Mahatma Ghandi



    OR

    "I never hated the one true God, it was the God of the people I hated"

    -Marilyn Manson
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:24 AM GMT
    How disgusting! I'm not even going to try to write my weekly rant about stupid, hypocritical religious bigots. icon_evil.gif

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    Aug 05, 2011 3:27 AM GMT
    I'm not just chiming in on the side of a friend - but Scruff's right.

    Leviticus
    Deuteronomy 22:5 "“A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." And, of course, our favorite used car salesman who ever was, Paul - Corinthians 6:9 - where he used the work “effeminate” for “male prostitutes” which has been interpreted transsexual men who act as women.

    What's important is the church has really changed. Sermons routinely reflect now that we should take Laviticus and Deuteronomy with a big grain of salt. This believer sure does. And Paul, well, he's pretty important, but there are many cases made with great credit that Paul was himself homosexual. A heretic, you bet -

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    bigsky saidI'm not just chiming in on the side of a friend - but Scruff's right.

    Leviticus
    Deuteronomy 22:5 "“A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." And, of course, our favorite used car salesman who ever was, Paul - Corinthians 6:9 - where he used the work “effeminate” for “male prostitutes” which has been interpreted transsexual men who act as women.

    What's important is the church has really changed. Sermons routinely reflect now that we should take Laviticus and Deuteronomy with a big grain of salt. This believer sure does. And Paul, well, he's pretty important, but there are many cases made with great credit that Paul was himself homosexual. A heretic, you bet -




    Well, first of all, that verse is referring to cross-dressing. NOT transgendered individuals. So, I stand by my statement that the Bible says NOTHING about transgendered individuals. So, wrong. Nice try. Anyway, this pastor is supposedly Christian so why would he even invoke Jewish law? Hello?
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
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    miamimasseur saidWell since the Bible says absolutely ZERO about transgendered people, I don't even know where this pastor is getting his views from except his own bigotry.


    I hate to correct you, but the Bible says plenty about transgenders, and it's not good. Now you have to question if you're actually going to live your life by this book.


    No, it doesn't. Read it.
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    bigsky saidI'm not just chiming in on the side of a friend - but Scruff's right.

    Leviticus
    Deuteronomy 22:5 "“A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." And, of course, our favorite used car salesman who ever was, Paul - Corinthians 6:9 - where he used the work “effeminate” for “male prostitutes” which has been interpreted transsexual men who act as women.

    What's important is the church has really changed. Sermons routinely reflect now that we should take Laviticus and Deuteronomy with a big grain of salt. This believer sure does. And Paul, well, he's pretty important, but there are many cases made with great credit that Paul was himself homosexual. A heretic, you bet -



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    Aug 05, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    viitz saidThis is a sad story. I'm amazed at how disrespectful these so-called religious "leaders" can be.

    But just so we're clear, the bible does condemn transgendered people. I don't know why people are always defending the bible as if it contains some moral superiority. It just shows that they haven't read it.

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    Deuteronomy 22:5. "A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this."



    It shows that YOU haven't read it if you think it condemns transgendered people. Again, the subject isn't even addressed. It condemns cross-dressing just like it condemns wearing clothing made of two fabrics or eating shellfish. Unless you're a Jew living 4,000 years ago, I wouldn't worry too much about it. The only thing dangerous about the Bible is people taking it out of context and not understanding the big picture. This goes on left and right from the left and the right.
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    God, please save me from your followers!