Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

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    The facts behind the "Texas miracle"...

    Jason CherkusAccording to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Texas has created more jobs in the last year than any other state. These job openings have become known as the much-hyped, "Texas Miracle." In his February 2011 state-of-the-state address, Governor Rick Perry boasted: "Our economic strength is no accident. It's a testimony to our people, our entrepreneurs, and, yes, to the decisions made in this building. Employers from across the country and around the world understand that the opportunity they crave can be found in Texas, and they're headed our way, with jobs in tow."

    Should he ultimately choose to run for the White House, Perry will be spending a lot of his time on the stump repeating those lines. Dig beneath the talking points and you find a more troubling picture: rising unemployment, a glut of low-wage jobs without benefits, overcrowded homeless shelters and public schools facing billions in budget cuts. Surita and Johnson have been airbrushed from the miracle. But they still can be found on the housing waiting lists and shelter entrances.

    "If you want a bad job, go to Texas," said Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman (D), who represents a district in Houston, in an interview with The Huffington Post. "If you want to work at Carl's Jr., our doors are open, and if you want to go to a crumbling school in a failing school system, this is the place to come."

    The state capital, with its expanded skyline and renovated office parks, will surely be b-roll in any Perry campaign ad. But Austin -- like many across the country -- simply hasn't witnessed across-the-board job stability.

    There's a crowd outside the ARCH no matter the heat. The building was designed for 100 dormitory beds, but now sleeps 215 -- including 115 men sleeping on mats on the a second floor dining room and a conference room floor. Even then, Mitchell Gibbs, the director of development and communications, said they are turning away 15 to 50 men a night.

    "Austin is supposed to be ground zero of the Texas Miracle," explained Doug Greco, lead organizer with Austin Interfaith, a nonpartisan group of some 30 congregations, schools and unions. "But we have the higher poverty rate and higher child poverty rate--nearly one in three children." He added that the need for shelter, food and clothing has spiked in the city. "It doesn't take much to pierce through the rhetoric," he said.

    Texas is struggling right along with every other state. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Texas had recently bumped up to 8.2 percent unemployment in June which puts it below the national average. Still plenty of states without miracles posted lower unemployment rates; New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Wisconsin, among others are all out performing Texas. Drill down even further into the numbers and there are plenty of residents that haven't felt the miracle...

    When it comes to budget gaps, Texas is just like much of the rest of the country. This year, the state faced a projected budget shortfall totaling as much as $27 billion; the legislature also had to contend with a $4.3 billion deficit in its current budget. The state made massive across-the-board cuts to state agencies -- including $4 billion in public school cuts over two years. Perry and the state legislature also ended up closing out funding for pre-kindergarten programs for roughly 100,000 low-income children. Mass layoffs of public sector workers is expected.

    The Texas Miracle may become part of Perry's national pitch, but it's nonsense to state Sen. Zaffrini. "Talking about the so-called 'Texas Miracle," she said in an emailed statement, "is at best disingenuous because it ignores the state's shameful national standing in terms of supporting education and helping the neediest of the needy."...

    Emily Timm, a policy analyst with the Workers Defense Project, said that roughly 45 percent of the more than 300 workers surveyed reported being paid wages below the federal poverty line. And one in five workers complained that their employers had paid them less than what they were owed. Being allowed adequate drinking water is even an issue. Nearly a third of the workers surveyed reported that their employers did not provide them with access to drinking water.

    Timm said her organization has only seen a further rise in worker problems. "We're seeing more complaints of wage theft than we ever have before," she said. "We're also seeing more and more workers being misclassified as independent contractors." That distinction can be crucial, she said, as it allows the construction companies to not deduct taxes from their paychecks as well as skirt minimum wage and overtime requirements.


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    I wonder how many illegals who shouldn't be there to begin with are contributing to these poverty statistics. One in three children living in poverty? I think this pretty obvious.
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    Texas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.
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    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.
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    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.
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    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.


    Taken from the link you gave:

    "By population, Washington, D.C. had the largest share of residents receiving food stamps: More than a fifth, 21.1%, of its residents collected assistance in August. Washington was followed by Mississippi..."

    I don't even need to mention what a complete moron you look like if you actually think that not taking into consideration the percentage by population is an accurate way to measure this.
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    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.


    Taken from the link you gave:

    "By population, Washington, D.C. had the largest share of residents receiving food stamps: More than a fifth, 21.1%, of its residents collected assistance in August. Washington was followed by Mississippi..."

    I don't even need to mention what a complete moron you look like if you actually think that not taking into consideration the percentage by population is an accurate way to measure this.





    LOL!
    You're just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.

    And as a taxpayer, the "accurate way" to measure this is to look at how many federal tax dollars are getting sucked up.
    And the bottom line is that $3,803,719.00 federal tax dollars are going to TX and only $126,651.00 federal tax dollars are going to D.C.

    TX is sucking MUCH harder at the federal government's teat than D.C. is.
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    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.


    Taken from the link you gave:

    "By population, Washington, D.C. had the largest share of residents receiving food stamps: More than a fifth, 21.1%, of its residents collected assistance in August. Washington was followed by Mississippi..."

    I don't even need to mention what a complete moron you look like if you actually think that not taking into consideration the percentage by population is an accurate way to measure this.





    LOL!
    You're just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.

    And as a taxpayer, the "accurate way" to measure this is to look at how many federal tax dollars are getting sucked up.
    And the bottom line is that $3,803,719.00 federal tax dollars are going to TX and only $126,651.00 federal tax dollars are going to D.C.

    TX is sucking MUCH harder at the federal government's teat than D.C. is.


    Wow, you are officially moron and no you are absolutely dead wrong. Texas is at 15.3%. The total outgoing amount, since Texas is one of the largest states, is absolutely irrelevant in measuring food stamp recipients overall in the united states.

    Quite frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if Texas had the highest percentage, but factually they don't.
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    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.


    Taken from the link you gave:

    "By population, Washington, D.C. had the largest share of residents receiving food stamps: More than a fifth, 21.1%, of its residents collected assistance in August. Washington was followed by Mississippi..."

    I don't even need to mention what a complete moron you look like if you actually think that not taking into consideration the percentage by population is an accurate way to measure this.





    LOL!
    You're just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.

    And as a taxpayer, the "accurate way" to measure this is to look at how many federal tax dollars are getting sucked up.
    And the bottom line is that $3,803,719.00 federal tax dollars are going to TX and only $126,651.00 federal tax dollars are going to D.C.

    TX is sucking MUCH harder at the federal government's teat than D.C. is.


    Wow, you are officially moron and no you are absolutely dead wrong. Texas is at 15.3%. The total outgoing amount, since Texas is one of the largest states, is absolutely irrelevant in measuring food stamp recipients overall in the united states.

    Quite frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if Texas had the highest percentage, but factually they don't.




    Texas is at $3,803,719.00.
    D.C. is only at $126,651.00.
    As clearly stated in the link:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    For you to state that the total outgoing amount is "absolutely irrelevant" when it's the amount of our tax dollars that are being sucked up is bullshit.

    You've obviously never run a business or balanced a budget if you think that the total outgoing amount is "absolutely irrelevant".

    You've made it easy to understand why the last Republican president to balance a budget was Eisenhower in 1957.

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    Aug 04, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    You've obviously never run a business or balanced a budget if you think that the total outgoing amount is "absolutely irrelevant".

    You've made it easy to understand why the last Republican president to balance a budget was Eisenhower in 1957.






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    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 saidTexas is also the number one reciever of food stamps in the nation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    Repub Rick Perry is sucking at the teat of the federal government.


    The #1 is the district of Columbia you idiot and Texas isn't even second or third, it's like average. You send us a link that belies your own claim, how predictable.





    LOL!
    Your comment is total BS, as usual.
    And your claim that the link "belies" my claim is false.

    As we can clearly see in the link -
    The District of Columbia only recieves 126,651.00 in federal food stamp dollars.
    Texas recieves $3,803,719.00.

    FYI - $3,803,719.00 is a LOT more than $126.651.00.
    Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that!

    $3,803719.00 is also more than any other state recieves from the federal government.


    Taken from the link you gave:

    "By population, Washington, D.C. had the largest share of residents receiving food stamps: More than a fifth, 21.1%, of its residents collected assistance in August. Washington was followed by Mississippi..."

    I don't even need to mention what a complete moron you look like if you actually think that not taking into consideration the percentage by population is an accurate way to measure this.





    LOL!
    You're just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.

    And as a taxpayer, the "accurate way" to measure this is to look at how many federal tax dollars are getting sucked up.
    And the bottom line is that $3,803,719.00 federal tax dollars are going to TX and only $126,651.00 federal tax dollars are going to D.C.

    TX is sucking MUCH harder at the federal government's teat than D.C. is.


    Wow, you are officially moron and no you are absolutely dead wrong. Texas is at 15.3%. The total outgoing amount, since Texas is one of the largest states, is absolutely irrelevant in measuring food stamp recipients overall in the united states.

    Quite frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if Texas had the highest percentage, but factually they don't.




    Texas is at $3,803,719.00.
    D.C. is only at $126,651.00.
    As clearly stated in the link:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/04/some-14-of-us-uses-food-stamps/

    For you to state that the total outgoing amount is "absolutely irrelevant" when it's the amount of our tax dollars that are being sucked up is bullshit.

    You've obviously never run a business or balanced a budget if you think that the total outgoing amount is "absolutely irrelevant".

    You've made it easy to understand why the last Republican president to balance a budget was Eisenhower in 1957.



    My god are you really this fucking dumb? The fact that it is proportionately a higher amount of money does not mean anything for your argument when talking about any kind of national strain. Texas is a much, much larger state compared with DC. Texas spends 15.3% according to the size of it's population.

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    Aug 04, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    As usual, ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista is his typical obnoxious know-it-all self. The trouble is he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He just keeps recycling the same old, anti-GOP and anti independent propaganda. A true blind sycophant of the democratic party and the premeir spokesman for all the extremist liberal hens on here.
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    If you want to see the kind of ignorance and arrogance that's emblematic of the current day Republican party - check out the two posts above.

    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.
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    rickrick91 saidIf you want to see the kind of ignorance and arrogance that's emblematic of the current day Republican party - check out the two posts above.

    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.


    No rickrick, you have exposed yourself to be an utter imbecile who can't recognize the imbecility or even remotely conceive what it means to logically evaluate something.

    You can't fucking say that Texas is the #1 foodstamp receiver when that is factually incorrect. Their population happens to be much larger and so the amount of recipients is larger but percentage wise they are lower than many other states, such as DC which is the #1 in proportion to their population.
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    Crowded homeless low-wage worker deaths sounds a lot like New York City to me. I think the problem is American imperialism has outsourced its financial strength to virtually every other country, then making political parties easy scape goats when in reality both parties suck and neither are helping.
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    rickrick91 said
    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.



    Meanwhile, you expose yourself yet again as perhaps the most redundant poster on RJ -- you just regurgitate the same "BS...blah-blah-blah...B.S." crap over and over again. YAWN! As for Texas, is it not one of the largest and most populous states in the U.S.A.? Hell-oh? Of course they are going to have problems -- maybe even BIG problems. Everything about Texas is BIG...why should their problems be any different?
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    The Republicans are trying to paint Perry as their "messiah" for the 2012 presidential election based on his conservative policies and the "Texas Mirage." What perplexes me is why would Americans want another Texan in the WH after Bush (we all can see how well that worked out)? Texas conservatives don't even want Perry in the WH.





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    Republican strategist Alex Castellanos describes Gov. Rick Perry as

    "George W. Bush.............but WITHOUT THE BRAINS."
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    PresentMind saidRepublican strategist Alex Castellanos describes Gov. Rick Perry as

    "George W. Bush.............but WITHOUT THE BRAINS."




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    rickrick91 said
    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.



    Meanwhile, you expose yourself yet again as perhaps the most redundant poster on RJ -- you just regurgitate the same "BS...blah-blah-blah...B.S." crap over and over again. YAWN! As for Texas, is it not one of the largest and most populous states in the U.S.A.? Hell-oh? Of course they are going to have problems -- maybe even BIG problems. Everything about Texas is BIG...why should their problems be any different?


    The main problem here is that he just comes up with some utterly phoney nonsense about how Texas is "sucking" off of the government more than any other state because the total amount of revenue is the highest, while ignoring that it's simply because the state is so large and that Texas by no means is creating a bigger burden than any other state when considering the national average. It was just a bunch of bollocks.
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    roadbikeRob saidAs usual, ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista is his typical obnoxious know-it-all self. The trouble is he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He just keeps recycling the same old, anti-GOP and anti independent propaganda. A true blind sycophant of the democratic party and the premeir spokesman for all the extremist liberal hens on here.


    Sorry, but you popped in to make a personal attack?

    I thought you people (Republicans) were the ones that never initiated the attacks...but were constantly on the receiving end of them.

    Of course twinkie has done nothing BUT launch personal attacks since he got on this topic...so thanks to both of you for proving the point: conservatives provoke the attacks themselves, and then whine and cry about being attacked when the rest of us get fed up with your mean spirited bullshit!
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    rickrick91 saidIf you want to see the kind of ignorance and arrogance that's emblematic of the current day Republican party - check out the two posts above.

    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.


    No rickrick, you have exposed yourself to be an utter imbecile who can't recognize the imbecility or even remotely conceive what it means to logically evaluate something.

    You can't fucking say that Texas is the #1 foodstamp receiver when that is factually incorrect. Their population happens to be much larger and so the amount of recipients is larger but percentage wise they are lower than many other states, such as DC which is the #1 in proportion to their population.


    But it is the #1 foodstamp receiver.

    He never said "per capita"...he simply said that Texas receives the most food stamps...WHICH IT DOES!

    "Proportion to their population" is irrelevant because he never brought that up!

    But here's an interesting point: California's unemployment rate in June, 2011 was about 30% higher than Texas' unemployment rate...and it's population in 2010 was more than 12,000,000 larger than Texas' population...but Texas still receives more foodstamps than California!

    Stick to the topic at hand twinkie...attributing something to rickrick that he NEVER SAID actually makes you the moron!

    But hey...if it makes you feel any better...sure...a higher percentage of DC residents are on food stamps!
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:33 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said...Of course twinkie has done nothing BUT launch personal attacks since he got on this topic...so thanks to both of you for proving the point: conservatives provoke the attacks themselves, and then whine and cry about being attacked when the rest of us get fed up with your mean spirited bullshit!



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    roadbikeRob saidAs usual, ScrewyLouisfromSierraVista is his typical obnoxious know-it-all self. The trouble is he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He just keeps recycling the same old, anti-GOP and anti independent propaganda. A true blind sycophant of the democratic party and the premeir spokesman for all the extremist liberal hens on here.


    Sorry, but you popped in to make a personal attack?

    I thought you people (Republicans) were the ones that never initiated the attacks...but were constantly on the receiving end of them.

    Of course twinkie has done nothing BUT launch personal attacks since he got on this topic...so thanks to both of you for proving the point: conservatives provoke the attacks themselves, and then whine and cry about being attacked when the rest of us get fed up with your mean spirited bullshit!


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    rickrick91 saidIf you want to see the kind of ignorance and arrogance that's emblematic of the current day Republican party - check out the two posts above.

    Mock has been exposed as lacking a fundamental understanding of how you balance a budget, and roadkill has been exposed as lacking mental competence.


    No rickrick, you have exposed yourself to be an utter imbecile who can't recognize the imbecility or even remotely conceive what it means to logically evaluate something.

    You can't fucking say that Texas is the #1 foodstamp receiver when that is factually incorrect. Their population happens to be much larger and so the amount of recipients is larger but percentage wise they are lower than many other states, such as DC which is the #1 in proportion to their population.


    But it is the #1 foodstamp receiver.

    He never said "per capita"...he simply said that Texas receives the most food stamps...WHICH IT DOES!

    "Proportion to their population" is irrelevant because he never brought that up!

    But here's an interesting point: California's unemployment rate in June, 2011 was about 30% higher than Texas' unemployment rate...and it's population in 2010 was more than 12,000,000 larger than Texas' population...but Texas still receives more foodstamps than California!

    Stick to the topic at hand twinkie...attributing something to rickrick that he NEVER SAID actually makes you the moron!

    But hey...if it makes you feel any better...sure...a higher percentage of DC residents are on food stamps!


    Trentgrad, there is no such thing as properly or effectively discussing that statistic UNLESS the percentage is calculated in proportion to the population. There's no argument, it's just a pile of shit. Even the article itself says that the #1 receiver of food stamps is D.C and goes on to list the followups. Rickrick invented out of thin air this extremely puerile idea without any rational basis whatsoever that the mere number recipients, regardless of population, is what makes sense.

    He did not make an argument that I merely disagree with, he made an argument that is so absurd no one in their right mind can do anything but either laugh or express how moronic it is.

    The fact that you would even attempt to make a case for him is more disheartening than it is pathetic.