ROMNEY on Gay Marriage

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    Aug 04, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    August 04, 2011
    Categories: Same-sex marriage
    Romney signs marriage pledge

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has joined Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Sen. Pennsylvania Rick Santorum in signing a pledge to oppose same-sex marriage on a number of specific fronts.

    The three candidates signed the pledge advanced by the National Organization for Marriage, which has led national and state campaigns to limit marriage to a man and a woman. The signature of the front-runner, Romney, is a bit of a coup for the group, as he's been careful about committing to other pledges, including a broad promise to a socially conservative Iowa group that caused trouble for other candidates.

    Romney, Bachmann and Santorum signed on to support a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage, to appoint federal judges who don't see a constitutional right to same-sex marriage and to back the Defense of Marriage Act.

    IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT !

    And on a day when the stock market plunges and everyone wants to hear how the candidate would turn around the economy, THIS IS WHAT ROMNEY OFFERS.
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    Aug 04, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    http://www.examiner.com/rnc-in-washington-dc/romney-signs-anti-gay-marriage-pledge

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/mitt-romney-gay-marriage-pledge-/1?csp=34


    Disappointing, but hardly unexpected. The way it is going, most likely the 2011 GOP candidate will support a constitutional amendment to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 04, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, Mitt Romney is caving into pressure from all the extreme right wing lunatics to oppose gay marriage.
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    Aug 05, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
    More proof that the Repub party is committed to forcing the hateful views of the religious right extremists on all Americans.

  • GQjock

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    Aug 05, 2011 11:11 AM GMT
    Face it Gay Republicans .... He's Not That Into You

    In fact the the whole party would rather see you dead and buried
    so when someone like Rick Perry comes out and says he doesn't mind if NY passed it's gay marriage law
    You can put away your Rah-Rah Pom-Poms
    Because him and every republican who says something SLIGHTLY positive quickly makes an about face and restates how much they detest gays

    Rick Perry Clarifies: ‘Obviously Gay Marriage Is Not Fine With Me’
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rick-perry-clarifies-obviously-gay-marriage-is-not-fine-with-me/
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    Aug 05, 2011 1:19 PM GMT
    IF I had to choose between a Great Economy/Stronger America for ALL.....

    OR.....Gay Marriage/Equality, I would choose to wait on my civil rights.

    Gay Republicans, seems to me, are asking us to choose. Or atleast they love asking us

    "Do you queens care more about marriage than you do about economic recovery?"

    For most of us, the answer is 'NO'. Like you, we need jobs.

    BUT, Gay Republicans, can you please find us one of your BIGOTS who has the slightest idea about how to improve this economy.

    Romney is NOT the answer.
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    Aug 05, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
    PresentMind saidIF I had to choose between a Great Economy/Stronger America for ALL.....

    OR.....Gay Marriage/Equality, I would choose to wait on my civil rights.



    There is no need to choose between civil rights or the economy. That is an excuse the anti-marriage equality and anti-gay rights side tries to push on us and many on the marriage equality and gay rights side, including many here have picked up on it. There will always be some excuse to put our civil rights second- a bad economy, a war somewhere, a threat of terror, a natural disaster, the environment and global warming, etc. Governments always have to deal with a whole range of issues at one time including civil rights and so now should not be any different.
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
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    There is no need to choose between civil rights or the economy.


    And yet, I think that is the choice Gay Republicans like to pretend.

    Purely as a hypothetical, I'll even help them out by framing the question as

    "Would you choose the better leader over merely a 'gay-friendly' candidate?"

    I'll answer the question with a 'YES !'.

    But Romney is NOT that 'better leader' in any sense. He is weak and directionless.....and seems to make his decisions only after the fact.

    On the debt-ceiling vote, he came out against it.....AFTER the vote. He had not a word to say about it before. He made the calculation, very late, that his primary voters were more in line with Michelle Bachman so he followed her.

    On gay marriage, he righteously opposes it.....for precisely the same reason: Republican Primary Voters are BIGOTS!

    Once again, he follows Michelle Bachman. He needs to be her Vice President.

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    Aug 05, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    You know its sad, because I am fairly conservative economically, but I will not vote for any republican that doesn't support gay marriage. I might not even vote if there are no candidates that share my views. Republicans value limited government, yet they want to control who I can marry? That's bull shit.
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    Aug 05, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    PresentMind saidIF I had to choose between a Great Economy/Stronger America for ALL.....

    OR.....Gay Marriage/Equality, I would choose to wait on my civil rights.



    There is no need to choose between civil rights or the economy. That is an excuse the anti-marriage equality and anti-gay rights side tries to push on us and many on the marriage equality and gay rights side, including many here have picked up on it. There will always be some excuse to put our civil rights second- a bad economy, a war somewhere, a threat of terror, a natural disaster, the environment and global warming, etc. Governments always have to deal with a whole range of issues at one time including civil rights and so now should not be any different.


    When the now-is-not-the time crowd get started, I like to respond to them: "Well, let us know when the time will be, and if it's soon enough, maybe we'll support you." This of course leaves them high and dry, because when they say "now is not the time" what they really mean is "never".

    And you are quite right: government should be capable of doing more than one thing at a time. if it isn't, we elected the wrong one - so the now-is-not-the-time people are really also saying, "We're so limited we can only deal with one thing at a time" - thus again eliminating themselves from the consideration of any adult.
  • hebrewman

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    Aug 05, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddd this surprises any one?
    nope. not me.
  • dancedancekj

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    Aug 05, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    Gay Republicans should back Huntsman. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/21/huntsman-s-gay-rights-shakeup.html

    Although not a proponent for gay marriage exactly, he did push for civil unions in Utah (Utah!) and is the best Republican candidate in terms of gay civil rights thus far.

    Of course I believe the Democrats are the real leaders on the issues, but to each their own. If I were going to vote Republican, I would back Huntsman, since he seems to be the most rational of the bunch by a long shot.
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidGay Republicans should back Huntsman. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/21/huntsman-s-gay-rights-shakeup.html

    Although not a proponent for gay marriage exactly, he did push for civil unions in Utah (Utah!) and is the best Republican candidate in terms of gay civil rights thus far.

    Of course I believe the Democrats are the real leaders on the issues, but to each their own. If I were going to vote Republican, I would back Huntsman, since he seems to be the most rational of the bunch by a long shot.


    I agree with you, but don't think he has a shot.

    Mitt has got to be the most vacillating loser in the field. At least I know where the hard-line bigots stand. Mitt is far more dangerous IMO because he doesn't even have his own personal convictions.

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    Aug 05, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    how do u register to vote.? I have never voted before now I want too.
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
    HavenJock80 saidhow do u register to vote.? I have never voted before now I want too.


    If you need to renew your drivers license soon, you can do it at that time in most states. Otherwise, go to your city or county clerk.
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    Aug 05, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    HavenJock80 saidhow do u register to vote.? I have never voted before now I want too.


    You should be able to do that online. post office.....online post office.

    http://www.rockthevote.com/rtv_voter_registration.html?source=
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    Aug 05, 2011 5:03 PM GMT
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    PresentMind saidIF I had to choose between a Great Economy/Stronger America for ALL.....

    OR.....Gay Marriage/Equality, I would choose to wait on my civil rights.



    There is no need to choose between civil rights or the economy. That is an excuse the anti-marriage equality and anti-gay rights side tries to push on us and many on the marriage equality and gay rights side, including many here have picked up on it. There will always be some excuse to put our civil rights second- a bad economy, a war somewhere, a threat of terror, a natural disaster, the environment and global warming, etc. Governments always have to deal with a whole range of issues at one time including civil rights and so now should not be any different.


    Really well said.
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    Aug 05, 2011 5:04 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidUnfortunately, Mitt Romney is caving into pressure from all the extreme right wing lunatics to oppose gay marriage.


    Agreed, he's kowtowing. However, with his history of waffling, he might change his position if actually elected.
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    Aug 05, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidUnfortunately, Mitt Romney is caving into pressure from all the extreme right wing lunatics to oppose gay marriage.


    Agreed, he's kowtowing. However, with his history of waffling, he might change his position if actually elected.


    He's learned his lesson on that one. Gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts while he was governor. The only thing he could do was send a letter of protest to the state's Supreme Judicial Court. Always fascinating coming from somebody who's religion for years not only supported, but encouraged, multiple spouses and sharing of wives with other guys. So much for defense of traditional marriage. But, you know, it's OK if God shows himself to some guy in the woods of Vermont and tells him to take as many virgins as he can and marry and breed with them.

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    Aug 05, 2011 7:29 PM GMT
    Thank you guys.. I will be mailing my form soon.

    Cant wait to vote next year.
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    Aug 05, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidUnfortunately, Mitt Romney is caving into pressure from all the extreme right wing lunatics to oppose gay marriage.


    Agreed, he's kowtowing. However, with his history of waffling, he might change his position if actually elected.


    But it's a pledge. A PLEDGE! How's he going to waffle out of it?

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    Aug 05, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    Look it's his right as an American to behold his religious views and too have political freedom. If he feels homosexuals should not have the right to the hetrosexual interdiction of marriage, then fine. But I have a right as a True Blue Aussie to bitch about his American religion interfering in Australian politics, to prevent I, a True Blue Aussie; The real thing, from having equality in my own home land.

    You don't have to agree. Just as he may well not agree with some of your fanatical left wing views; yet you give yourself the right to them, and too behold them; just as he too has the same right. We really do need to move away from this term: Gay marriage, and create something just for us homosexuals who have never ever had the right to marriage, or it's benefits.
  • dancedancekj

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    Aug 05, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    The problem is that gay marriage has become more than just gay marriage. It has become a tacit statement for GLBTQ rights. Therefore, by signing a pledge against gay marriage, Romney is implicitly saying "I do not believe you are deserving of not only marriage, but all rights." And this is definitely pulling inferences, but I believe that the only people who sign this type of pledge are the ones not only concerned about gay's right to marry, but to exist. And that doesn't sit well with me at all.
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    Aug 05, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    Why would Romney come out in favor of gay marriage when his opponent Barack Obama won't either?

    So everyone here expects Romney to run on a pro-marriage platform whilst Obama won't?

    swmrh911 saidYou know its sad, because I am fairly conservative economically, but I will not vote for any republican that doesn't support gay marriage. I might not even vote if there are no candidates that share my views. Republicans value limited government, yet they want to control who I can marry? That's bull shit.


    That's why you work as best as you can within the movement to change it. There is a huge portion of the republican vote that is more libertarian like you, it's just that there is a block of voters interested in taking away your social freedoms too.
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    Aug 05, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    PresentMind said
    Iceblink said




    There is no need to choose between civil rights or the economy.


    And yet, I think that is the choice Gay Republicans like to pretend.

    Purely as a hypothetical, I'll even help them out by framing the question as

    "Would you choose the better leader over merely a 'gay-friendly' candidate?"

    I'll answer the question with a 'YES !'.




    Careful. Hitler was a pretty influential leader. Good leaders don't always perform altruistic tasks. If a good leader means making v for vendetta a non-fiction film, I'll take the idiot over execution.