Guns, Ownership, Protection, Responsibility

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    Apr 30, 2008 4:50 PM GMT
    This topic probably seems extremely out of place here, and even more so out of place coming from me. But as an committed soldier of the coalition against the zombie apocalypse and someone who fiercely protects his family, friends and territory in general, I cant help but think about this all of the time. So I pose my questions to the beloved RealJock community:

    What ya'll think about guns?

    Do you think owning one is dangerous, unnecessary, an outrage to humanity in general?

    Are guys with guns over compensating?

    Should people who cant protect themselves be carrying guns?

    Is an unwarranted faith placed in them by society?

    I've heard plenty of statistics against gun ownership, especially in the home with the family, and the ones in favor of them seem a bit trumped up and nutty.

    I cant help but recall Eric Lencher's (the main antagonist of the X-Men franchise, Magneto) disapproving tone as he faces several armed police and bomb squads, just before he disarms each of them and turns their own weapons to face them:

    "You humans and your guns..."
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    Apr 30, 2008 7:38 PM GMT
    My favorite quote about guns is this. "Guns dont' kill people, people who have guns kill people."

    As a source of protection for your home it's great, so long as you respect it for what it is and you know how to use it and your limitations with it.

    People who have no clue about guns should not have them.

    People who have used them in the wrong way should not have them.

    I firmly believe their should be tighter restrictions on who can have them as everyday I see senseless deaths due to people who don't know how to use them or use them in an incorrect way.

    My job requires me to carry a gun everyday and I have for the past 14 years and have never had an issue.

    Owning a gun is a personal choice and no one should be condemed for making the choice to own one, however they should be condemed and punished to the fullest extent when they use it incorrectly.

    My two cents worth!
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    Apr 30, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    Here in rural Iowa, gun ownership is very common. I have two rifles (.22LR & .260Rem) and a 20ga shotgun. Plinking and varmint control are all I've ever used them for. I got rid of my 9mm handgun because I can't shoot for shit with a handgun. If I were overcompensating, I sure as hell wouldn't own "chick guns" like the .260 and 20ga (I flinch too much with heavy recoil firearms.)

    I strongly believe in the right to bear arms, within reason. I'm cool with the restrictions on ownership of fully automatic weapons, and it does concern me that nutcases can so easily acquire firearms. As for concealed carry permits, I'm not against them, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if people were required to demonstrate shooting competency before CCWs are issued.
  • jarhead5536

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    Apr 30, 2008 9:24 PM GMT
    My family back in TX all carry guns, even my little 70 year old mother keeps one in her purse. Odd that I am the only member of my family trained in weapons handling and marksmanship (thru the military), yet I am the only one that does not own a weapon. I just don't think the risk is worth the reward.

    There are too many guns in our culture, I think, and they are not being bought or used for hunting or target practice.
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    Apr 30, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    I won't say guns are great, it's a shame to need them but, they're needed. If your state has a conceled carry law, get a pistol and a CC license. Learn all about your pistol and shooting it. The first rule in a gunfight is, bring a gun. If your community has a chapter of the Pink Pistols, I suggest you join. They can provide resources for training you properly. Check with an expert to see if a revolver or an automatic is best suited for your situation. You can find experts at the Pink Pistols.

    For Home defense, a pump action shotgun is best. The spray of pellets spreads out so it's hard to miss. Like when you're groggy or shaking from fear. I suggest you use shells marked 00. An intruder will not get up if hit by 9 of these in one shot. The best thing about a pump action shotgun is, when you load it, the Cha-Ching of the slide action will alert an intruder that he/she had better not go any further. But still, load it. Ya never know if the intruder will call your bluff.

    Pink Pistols, Armed and Fabulous!

  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 30, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    Well here in Kansas they are very common. I think if you were born in the 1960's or after you have to take a "Hunter's safety course", which I did... very thorough. I have owned a 12 guage shotgun. When it has been in my home, the thing is empty (no shells)

    My parents are very anti-gun. I'm surprised my Dad got me the shotgun for my birthday one year. I think it was because of the attorneys who worked for him was an avid hunter and it was a combined effort there.
    I don't hunt much and probably won't.

    I tend to follow the natural democratic pattern of being "conservative with the use of guns" and look at the NRA with a bit of distain.
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    Apr 30, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    ConcentratedEnergy said
    What ya'll think about guns?

    Do you think owning one is dangerous, unnecessary, an outrage to humanity in general?


    Guns are objects. Like many objects they have a potential to harm other people if abused. Which is why they should be regulated as far as sales go.

    Otherwise owning a gun is no different that owning a sword or nail gun. Both can kill, so we should use responsibility when possessing them.

    Guns are a matter of personal choice. People have a right to protect themselves. I can think back to the shooter at the western Megachurch where an armed private security guard took down the shooter before he could cause more death.

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    Apr 30, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    Education is the key with anything and is equally as dangerous when applied wrongly.

    Guns are an extension of the will of the person behind them. Hopefully the person who has the fortitude to bear arms also has the will to do what is right, just, and moral.

    I'm definitely pro-second amendment here and probably have a collection of weaponry that would put a small Army base in the green when it comes to tactical hardware. But I rather enjoy the mechanics of it all and not so much the paranoia of an imploding and adversarial government entity.

    This thread probably will garner the same fate as Charleton Heston's thread did here a few weeks back.

    Jeff

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    Apr 30, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    I myself am not against guns. As long as you are properly trained and know what you are doing, I see nothing wrong with owning 1. I used have quite a few myself.. not for protection or anything, just to say I had them lol.. AK-47, AR-15, .45's, shottys, rifles, you name it. Most favorite would have to be the AR, hardly any kick and can rip through trees like nothing else.

    We just passed a law here in SC, being all for gun rights myself, I didn't agree with it.. they are now letting 18 year olds be able to own guns here, and I honestly think that's just stupid. They are still kids for crying out loud. We already have enough kids going around and shooting people, so let's make it legal and see how quickly the numbers rise.
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    Apr 30, 2008 11:39 PM GMT
    I personally hate guns and would never own one. Fortunately I have no reason to. I don't have any problems with hunters owning them for sport, or collectors owning them as long as they keep them locked up.

    It is a sad commentary on a society if the citizens feel the need to keep a gun around for protection. Many western countries do not have the level of violence the USA has, and has had for many decades. Why American society is so violent is something we could speculate on for hours.
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    Apr 30, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    ConcentratedEnergy saidBut as a committed soldier of the coalition against the zombie apocalypse and someone who fiercely protects his family, friends and territory in general, I cant help but think about this all of the time.


    ahem... look dude, I'll let you own a gun if you let me eat your brain. Fair?
  • jarhead5536

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    Apr 30, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
    Things that make you go hmmm. I just realized this minute that where you come down on gun issues has everything to do with where you come down on the individual liberties vs. general welfare dichotomy enshrined in our Constitution.
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    Apr 30, 2008 11:51 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidThings that make you go hmmm. I just realized this minute that where you come down on gun issues has everything to do with where you come down on the individual liberties vs. general welfare dichotomy enshrined in our Constitution.


    What's more important. The individuals rights or protecting the rights of the unknown masses. Tough question.

    Also explains why Europeans are often so anti-gun.
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    May 01, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidThings that make you go hmmm. I just realized this minute that where you come down on gun issues has everything to do with where you come down on the individual liberties vs. general welfare dichotomy enshrined in our Constitution.


    Maybe I am missing your point but it sounds like you are saying pro-gun ownership is pro individual liberties? In which case I present the Bush administration which is very pro-gun rights but very anti free speech. I think they are a great case of being anti-individual liberties but very pro gun rights.
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    May 01, 2008 3:38 AM GMT
    Since when has free speech been curtailed in the US?
    If that was really the case a lot of people on this site wouldn't be on this site anymore.

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    May 01, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    Gun ownership should be restricted to those who have the training. I have to qualify once a year with mine, but I usually go to the range several times a year. If hair dressers have to be licensed, why dont gun owners?

  • May 01, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    Crimthann saidGun ownership should be restricted to those who have the training. I have to qualify once a year with mine, but I usually go to the range several times a year. If hair dressers have to be licensed, why dont gun owners?


    Agreed, backround checks and heavier regulations save less lives than the simple knowledge of how and whento fire the damn weapon in question.

    i aslo believe that no firearm should be sold to a customer not purchasing some kind of locking or containment measure for said weapon.
  • GQjock

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    May 01, 2008 10:26 AM GMT
    We're a gun crazed society ... fed the crap that they're penile extensions really
    and we're payin' the consequences for it
    guns are rampant in our society ... more than any other place in the free world and our murder rate reflects that
    ... that you cannot argue with

    and NOW we have people saying that college students and people need to have concealed weapons on them in order to protect themselves
    and yesterday we had an entire college down here
    Florida Atlantic Univ in Boca Raton FL
    shut down because a drunken frat party got out of hand and someone took a pot shot at someone else

    it ain't rocket science guys ... put guns in people's hands >>>>>> they're gonna use'em
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    May 01, 2008 11:44 AM GMT
    John43620 saidSince when has free speech been curtailed in the US?
    If that was really the case a lot of people on this site wouldn't be on this site anymore.



    I didn't say it had been removed, but there are certainly plenty examples of the Bush administration trying to limit free speech. You know, like setting up free speech zones. The whole idea that you can only voice a certain type of opinion if you are standing in a certain place isn't free speech.


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    May 01, 2008 1:49 PM GMT
    My old university had a "Free Speech Zone". I liked the idea of a Hyde Park tradition right here in Ohio.
    The only people who ever really used it though were religious nuts.


  • 1AlanZSky

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    Jun 10, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/10/oregon-police-suspect-dead-high-school-shooting

    I say, get rid of guns.
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    Jun 11, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
    I say give everyone a gun so that we can shoot each other if the want arises
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    Jun 11, 2014 7:26 PM GMT
    Schools should have metal detectors, and arrest anyone coming in with a gun. Otherwise, if the governments would keep the mentally ill from having guns, (instead of just giving lip service to the idea), and let every other non-criminal carry them, we would all be a lot safer, and there would be a few more dead muggers/robbers. In states where it was made legal to carry guns, the rate of armed robbery has plummeted.