UCLA Political Science Professor: The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane look far more conservative than they really are

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    Aug 06, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/16/book-liberal-media-distorts-news-bias

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    The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane, like the Drudge Report and Fox News Channel, look far more conservative than they really are, according to a UCLA professor's new book out next month.

    In a crushing body blow to the pushers of the so-called "Fox Effect," which claims the conservative media is dragging the left into the center, UCLA political science professor Tim Groseclose in Left Turn claims that "all" mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream and decidedly right-wing to news consumers who are influenced by the slant. [Read Fox's Huckabee slams MSNBC's Matthews, Scarborough over bias.]

    "Fox News is clearly more conservative than ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and National Public Radio. Some will conclude that 'therefore, this means that Fox News has a conservative bias,'" he writes in an advance copy provided to Washington Whispers. "Instead, maybe it is centrist, and possibly even left-leaning, while all the others are far left. It's like concluding that six-three is short just because it is short compared to professional basketball players."

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    MediaMatters makes the shocking revelation that the author was a former fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

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    Aug 06, 2011 2:17 AM GMT
    Faux News doesn't have a conservative bias?


    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahha.

    Oh man. Good joke.
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert, White House Correspondents' Association Dinner, 4/29/2006
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidFaux News doesn't have a conservative bias?


    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahha.

    Oh man. Good joke.

    The book just came out. Haven't read it yet, but I heard him on an interview explaining that his team collected thousands of samples and did extensive statistical analyses. I think I recall you indicating you are an educated person. So tell you what - why not reserve judgement, read the book and then if you want to fault it, you can do it with specifics.
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:25 AM GMT
    I'm not reading shit and I've never said I'm an educated person. Don't get twisted up in words that were never said.

    If you don't think Fox News has a conservative bias than you've got your head up your ass. Fact.
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:27 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidI'm not reading shit and I've never said I'm an educated person. Don't get twisted up in words that were never said.

    If you don't think Fox News has a conservative bias than you've got your head up your ass. Fact.

    Sorry I guess I mistook you for someone else. And I didn't say what I thought; I quoted from the author, so I guess your reading comprehension is also pretty limited. Whatever.
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    Aug 06, 2011 3:45 AM GMT
    Media Matters wrote an article smearing a peer reviewed version, according to Groseclose, without looking at any of the data, which he had made available to anyone asking.

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    Aug 06, 2011 4:09 AM GMT
    The fact that there's a conservative "news" channel that regularly covers a liberal media watchdog group but I have never once seen Heritage or Americans for Prosperity or any other group attacked on any network news or even "Morning Joe" renders his entire book a hilarious farce.
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:12 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidThe fact that there's a conservative "news" channel that regularly covers a liberal media watchdog group but I have never once seen Heritage or Americans for Prosperity or any other group attacked on any network news or even "Morning Joe" renders his entire book a hilarious farce.

    Your conclusion is completely irrelevant to "what you have never once seen".
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:16 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThe fact that there's a conservative "news" channel that regularly covers a liberal media watchdog group but I have never once seen Heritage or Americans for Prosperity or any other group attacked on any network news or even "Morning Joe" renders his entire book a hilarious farce.

    Your conclusion is completely irrelevant to "what you have never once seen".


    I'm sorry. I should have said "never happened."

    Feel free to try and find an example.

    The corporate media is just that; corporate. It aims for ratings and rarely, if ever, actually pushes truly progressive policies or ideas.
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidMedia Matters wrote an article smearing a peer reviewed version, according to Groseclose, without looking at any of the data, which he had made available to anyone asking.







    Its so damned obvious that the MSM is not liberally biased as it used to be, so why bother reading such biased books. It appears that they came up with this theory to make excuses for FALSE NEWS UNFAIR AND ANYTHING BUT BALANCED. LOL !! How liberal was the MSM when the drums were beating for a Neoconservative war, the Patriot act and holding information that the public should have known before they voted for Bush to spend another 4 years fucking up our country, but no this 'liberal media' you talk about made an agreement with the NeoConservative Bush to keep information under wraps until after the election. LIBERAL MY DAMNED ASS !!!


    I certainly agree with confederateghost on this one !!
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    Socal...why would you even bother posting something this?

    I mean, seriously? Every person I know who watches Fox News, watches it because it's conservatively biased.
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:35 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidSocal...why would you even bother posting something this?

    I mean, seriously? Every person I know who watches Fox News, watches it because it's conservatively biased.

    To your second point, as the author stated, Fox is more conservative than the others, and that can lead to the perceptions of your acquaintances.

    To your first point, I post it for these reasons: 1) The author is a university professor who stated his work was based on 20,000 media observations and statistical analyses and peer reviewed by other professors, including liberals, and worth reviewing, in my opinion, 2) There are many like minded guys on RJ who would be interested. Some of these guys post here; many do not post political messages. 3) To advise others who will not welcome such analysis, that it exists, that it will be reviewed, and that critical reviews, themselves, will be subject to review. It is a direct challenge to many who have claims about media bias.
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    Socal, on a Canadian scale, and that of several other Western countries, I think that your American Left may be farther Right than those other countries'
    Right, Left, the terms feel childish to me. All have something to bring to the table.

    -Doug

    PS how's that for 'on my high horse' lol! icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 06, 2011 5:00 AM GMT
    meninlove said Socal, on a Canadian scale, and that of several other Western countries, I think that your American Left may be farther Right than those other countries'
    Right, Left, the terms feel childish to me. All have something to bring to the table.

    -Doug

    PS how's that for 'on my high horse' lol! icon_wink.gif

    True about the differences among countries. But regarding the Canadian left, I read a few weeks back that they supported some of the same fiscal measures supported by the American right, and the relative health of the Canadian economy is a result.
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    meninlove said Socal, on a Canadian scale, and that of several other Western countries, I think that your American Left may be farther Right than those other countries'
    Right, Left, the terms feel childish to me. All have something to bring to the table.

    -Doug

    PS how's that for 'on my high horse' lol! icon_wink.gif

    True about the differences among countries. But regarding the Canadian left, I read a few weeks back that they supported some of the same fiscal measures supported by the American right, and the relative health of the Canadian economy is a result.



    Interesting isn't it? An idea itself is more important than its source. icon_wink.gif

    (At the same time, it doesn't necessarily ennoble the source because of the idea.)

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    Aug 06, 2011 5:50 AM GMT
    Must be a Teabagger and a Faux News junkie
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    Aug 06, 2011 10:24 AM GMT
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    Thanking the OP for making me laugh so early in the mornin'
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    Aug 06, 2011 12:23 PM GMT
    He's throwing out the possibility Fox may be centrist or even left leaning?

    He must have some gullible admirers.
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    Aug 06, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
    Socal,following on from meninlove`s post,your idea of the American left seems centrist,even right wing,from a British viewpoint.Liberal does not mean Left here.It`s the centre ground,politically.Having watched the above media,I`d say most of your outlets are biased to the right/extreme right.
    I suspect anyone with a biased outlook sees neutrality as a form of bias;they can`t believe a rational view could be any different from their own.
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    Lincsbear saidSocal,following on from meninlove`s post,your idea of the American left seems centrist,even right wing,from a British viewpoint.Liberal does not mean Left here.It`s the centre ground,politically.Having watched the above media,I`d say most of your outlets are biased to the right/extreme right.
    I suspect anyone with a biased outlook sees neutrality as a form of bias;they can`t believe a rational view could be any different from their own.


    That's well put.
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    meninlove said Socal, on a Canadian scale, and that of several other Western countries, I think that your American Left may be farther Right than those other countries'
    Right, Left, the terms feel childish to me. All have something to bring to the table.

    -Doug



    Taking it one step further, there is only one functioning democracy that I can think of that leans further right than the US. Most of the others would be deemed socialist (for having socialized medicine) regardless of whether the left or right party is in power. In fact, Israel, who's administration is as far right as any political movement in the US still has socialized medicine, so I suppose the so called "fair and balanced" folks would call them socialists as well.

    I'm not sure what this author means by liberal or conservative. He's American and if he looked beyond his provincial world he might see just how right leaning the US is. Having lived in Europe for three years, I know I would most likely vote for the conservative (center right) parties on that continent but I can't intellectual justify the Republicans with their bible thumping agenda in anyway. The only functioning democracy that comes to mind that has as much religion tossed into their politics as the US is Israel.

    Oh and Socal, your point about the US right being more fiscally responsible than the left doesn't fly either considering the fact that they will not under any circumstances raise taxes. The Canadians balanced their budget by a combination of high taxes and spending cuts, and most of all were helped by a boom in commodities.
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    friendormate saidI'm not sure what this author means by liberal or conservative. He's American and if he looked beyond his provincial world he might see just how right leaning the US is.

    Not surprised that you don't know what the author means by liberal or conservative. Have you read his book or previous papers, or is he somehow at fault because you haven't had some divine inspiration to discern what he means? And what gives you the basis to suggest his world is provincial? Do you know whether he has studied international politics? Most of us do understand the terms are generally used relative to a specific country. Although a study of comparative international politics is a valid pursuit, so is a study relative to a specific country, and making such a study hardly qualifies someone as provincial. I sense in your comment an attempt at arrogant quibbling.

    friendormate saidHaving lived in Europe for three years, I know I would most likely vote for the conservative (center right) parties on that continent but I can't intellectual justify the Republicans with their bible thumping agenda in anyway.

    I am also familiar with the political parties in some European countries. I have been involved in discussions with Germans comparing their CDU and SPD parties, the discussions in German, by the way. My comment on yours is if you are going to try and "intellectually justify..." , then you should be "intellectually aware" that the Republicans who bring religion into the mix are those on the right, and the moderates do not. We can, though, intellectually lament that some moderates to pander to the more conservatives for their votes.

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    Oh and Socal, your point about the US right being more fiscally responsible than the left doesn't fly either considering the fact that they will not under any circumstances raise taxes.

    First, you falsely generalize their position on the recent debt negotiations to a fundamental position on taxes. Many Republicans have stated they would favor an overall reform of the tax system, including eliminating certain corporate loopholes. It has been noted that approximately half the population pays no taxes, and many Republicans would like to see that situation adjusted. Furthermore, fiscal responsibility can be also be justified based on the complete failure of the Democrats' policies over the past two years, which have, to most objective observers, made an already bad situation even worse. This has been discussed on other threads, and I'm not interested in pursuing that here, however.
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    ConfederateGhost saidFaux News doesn't have a conservative bias?


    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahha.

    Oh man. Good joke.

    The book just came out. Haven't read it yet, but I heard him on an interview explaining that his team collected thousands of samples and did extensive statistical analyses. I think I recall you indicating you are an educated person. So tell you what - why not reserve judgement, read the book and then if you want to fault it, you can do it with specifics.


    Just because someone wrote a book doesn't mean anything in it is true.
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    friendormate saidI'm not sure what this author means by liberal or conservative. He's American and if he looked beyond his provincial world he might see just how right leaning the US is.

    Not surprised that you don't know what the author means by liberal or conservative. Have you read his book or previous papers, or is he somehow at fault because you haven't had some divine inspiration to discern what he means? And what gives you the basis to suggest his world is provincial? Do you know whether he has studied international politics? Most of us do understand the terms are generally used relative to a specific country. Although a study of comparative international politics is a valid pursuit, so is a study relative to a specific country, and making such a study hardly qualifies someone as provincial. I sense in your comment an attempt at arrogant quibbling.

    friendormate saidHaving lived in Europe for three years, I know I would most likely vote for the conservative (center right) parties on that continent but I can't intellectual justify the Republicans with their bible thumping agenda in anyway.

    I am also familiar with the political parties in some European countries. I have been involved in discussions with Germans comparing their CDU and SPD parties, the discussions in German, by the way. My comment on yours is if you are going to try and "intellectually justify..." , then you should be "intellectually aware" that the Republicans who bring religion into the mix are those on the right, and the moderates do not. We can, though, intellectually lament that some moderates to pander to the more conservatives for their votes.

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    Oh and Socal, your point about the US right being more fiscally responsible than the left doesn't fly either considering the fact that they will not under any circumstances raise taxes.

    First, you falsely generalize their position on the recent debt negotiations to a fundamental position on taxes. Many Republicans have stated they would favor an overall reform of the tax system, including eliminating certain corporate loopholes. It has been noted that approximately half the population pays no taxes, and many Republicans would like to see that situation adjusted. Furthermore, fiscal responsibility can be also be justified based on the complete failure of the Democrats' policies over the past two years, which have, to most objective observers, made an already bad situation even worse. This has been discussed on other threads, and I'm not interested in pursuing that here, however.


    No I haven't and nor do I have any plans to read his book. Am I not allowed to comment on his opinion about media bias without reading his book?

    As far as me being arrogant for not being able to intellectual justify the republicans it has to do with how the party hopelessly panders to the far right. This is how it differs from a European country which has a separate far right party. Marine Le Pen in France (the national front party) comes far closer to representing the tea part folks in the US than does Sarkozy. I agree with much of what moderate Republicans have to say but in order to get elected they have to pander to the far right. You can accuse me of generalizing but I think the pot should look in the mirror for a moment and see his own true color. I also can't intellectually justify that one party is more fiscally responsible than the other. There are fiscally conservative members of both parties and fiscally irresponsible members of both parties. I've heard the Republican mantra about cutting the deficit but both Regan and W Bush cut taxes and increased spending during periods of economic growth which is the best time to pay off the debt. Bush senior came closest to being a fiscal conservative but he had to flip flop on his "read my lips" comment in order to do so. Cutting taxes while we still have a deficit is NOT fiscally conservative. The only time you can think about cutting taxes is when you have a budget surplus.

    Both parties have become far too populous for my tastes but I'd rather carry the baggage of the populous left than of the populous right because as I see it there is far less of it in a country that leans so far right to begin with.