Michelle Bachmann terrifies me...

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    Aug 06, 2011 8:16 AM GMT
    As a Brit, she comes across as dangerous to me. I know obama hasn't been popular but she is extreme!
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    Aug 06, 2011 11:42 AM GMT
    My powers of political prediction are somewhat suspect (I was sure Hillary had the nomination locked up), but...

    Michelle Bachmann is not electable outside her district. She lacks the gravitas to succeed on a national level, and her political positions, like Sarah Palin's, are designed to cater to a small set of her party. She can attract the attention of disaffected voters who feel "let's just try something, anything new," but she is not capable of withstanding full scale national scrutiny. She's in the game to keep her party focused on its right wing's priorities.

    In the same way, candidates emerge among the Democrats who generate a great deal of enthusiasm from the most liberal elements of the party but who don't have the ability to build support from the center (Paul Tsongas, Howard Dean). They get attention but not ultimately votes.

    That said, Bachmann's brand of conservatism is scary and reductive. There are thoughtful, wise, and interesting conservatives in the Republican party. She is not one.
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    Aug 06, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
    Kobaltjak said... Bachmann's brand of conservatism is scary and reductive. There are thoughtful, wise, and interesting conservatives in the Republican party. She is not one.



    agree!
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    Aug 06, 2011 1:58 PM GMT
    I'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.
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    Aug 06, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.

    A point on which we both agree.

    BTW, do you know I used to vote Republican, and considered myself a Conservative? My parents lifelong Republicans and elected office holders. I corresponded with William F. Buckley, Jr, a "pure" conservative (not all that big a deal, he was a prolific writer who answered everyone), even met him in New York, and still voted Republican until 2004, nearly 10 years after I had come out.

    But by then I saw what Bush & Rove were doing to the country: attacks on the Constitution, on private liberties which Conservatives hold sacred, the destruction of the separation of church & state, and using gays like the Nazis had used Jews in the 1930s, to maintain political power. And then when the rest of the Republican Party jumped on the bandwagon, and has been turning hard Right ever since, I switched my allegiance to the Democrats.

    It's because Bachmann and those like her are embraced by most of the current Republicans, and of course FOX News, that she represents all that is wrong with the Right today. She may not extend her elective office beyond Minnesota, but her political influence is far & wide. I cannot support a party that tolerates, and worse supports, the likes of her. Can you?
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    Aug 06, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.



    I wouldn't go so far as to say she is a "scary, hateful, nutcase". I would never vote for her, and I certainly don't want her to be anywhere near The White House. Personally, I think she will fade rather quickly as a serious Presidential candidate once the real campaign gets rolling. I don't think America will vote for any candidate that is too extreme one way or the other.
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    Aug 06, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said....BTW, do you know I used to vote Republican, and considered myself a Conservative? My parents lifelong Republicans...


    as did/as was I, until President reagan's second term.


    did i leave the GOP party....or did it leave ME icon_question.gif
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    Aug 06, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.



    I wouldn't go so far as to say she is a "scary, hateful, nutcase". I would never vote for her, and I certainly don't want her to be anywhere near The White House. Personally, I think she will fade rather quickly as a serious Presidential candidate once the real campaign gets rolling. I don't think America will vote for any candidate that is too extreme one way or the other.




    Glad to read this from you guys about Bachmann, I think we should be very afraid about American Politics because its a bad sign that Bachmann has any popularity at all, let alone that among repups she is second in popularity. That fact is scary indeed.
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    Aug 06, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.



    I wouldn't go so far as to say she is a "scary, hateful, nutcase". I would never vote for her, and I certainly don't want her to be anywhere near The White House. Personally, I think she will fade rather quickly as a serious Presidential candidate once the real campaign gets rolling. I don't think America will vote for any candidate that is too extreme one way or the other.


    Okay, maybe not a nutcase but definitely hateful and a blind religious zealot.
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    Aug 07, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    Glad to read this from you guys about Bachmann, I think we should be very afraid about American Politics because its a bad sign that Bachmann has any popularity at all, let alone that among repups she is second in popularity. That fact is scary indeed.



    RLD, I think you are reading too much into the polls and not giving the campaign time to truly kick in. The landscape is still not set, and will probably make several changes --- as in surprise candidates who change the whole scenario. My guess is that Michelle Bachman will quickly fade, as will candidates like Rick Santorum, Tim Pawlenty, and Newt Gingrich, to make room for what will likely be the true contenders -- Mitt Romney, John Huntsman, and Rick Perry (if he runs). If Sarah Palin jumps in, that could throw a big wrench into the whole landscape -- not because she could get the nomination, but rather because she could take votes away from someone who otherwise might be able to beat Obama. Regardless, campaign 2012 will likely be one of the meanest, nastiest, and scariest -- not to mention costliest -- elections in history.
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    Aug 07, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said
    Glad to read this from you guys about Bachmann, I think we should be very afraid about American Politics because its a bad sign that Bachmann has any popularity at all, let alone that among repups she is second in popularity. That fact is scary indeed.



    RLD, I think you are reading too much into the polls and not giving the campaign time to truly kick in. The landscape is still not set, and will probably make several changes --- as in surprise candidates who change the whole scenario. My guess is that Michelle Bachman will quickly fade, as will candidates like Rick Santorum, Tim Pawlenty, and Newt Gingrich, to make room for what will likely be the true contenders -- Mitt Romney, John Huntsman, and Rick Perry (if he runs). If Sarah Palin jumps in, that could throw a big wrench into the whole landscape -- not because she could get the nomination, but rather because she could take votes away from someone who otherwise might be able to beat Obama. Regardless, campaign 2012 will likely be one of the meanest, nastiest, and scariest -- not to mention costliest -- elections in history.


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    Even if she does get culled out, which I believe like you that she will be, its still alarming that she's drawn this amount of followers and has done so well with attracting money to her coffers. This is largely because of the Evangelical group of repub voters, this should alarm students of history because whenever in history religion and politics get together the citizens suffered loss of freedoms.

    Rick Perry is right up Bachmann's alley too, so lets get rid of him. Huntsman is the most reasonable and I doubt he gets anywhere, Romney will flow like a reed in the water, whichever way the current flows, he'll be heading in that direction, so I don't trust him either. So to me, it appears that a far righter will be gaining prominence in this current repub scenerio.

    I don't believe Moderates and Independents will vote for these far righters this time around, because most have seen the negative results such as the debt ceiling fiasco. So we'll get another 4 years of the weak spined Obama..
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    Aug 07, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    I'm also a little scared about the sudden surge of Rick Perry, especially in light of his pandering speech yesterday to the religious "right".
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:07 PM GMT
    rnch said
    Art_Deco said....BTW, do you know I used to vote Republican, and considered myself a Conservative? My parents lifelong Republicans...


    as did/as was I, until President reagan's second term.


    did i leave the GOP party....or did it leave ME icon_question.gif




    Yup.
    Same here.
    In 1987 right around the time of the stock market crash.

    1984 was the first election I could vote in and I voted for Reagan and registered as a Republican.
    That was the last time I voted for a Repub for president - and until the Repub party ditches their failed trickle down economics policy - I'll never vote for a Repub for president again.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:11 PM GMT
    hoosier_daddy saidI'm also a little scared about the sudden surge of Rick Perry, especially in light of his pandering speech yesterday to the religious "right".




    If Perry enters the race - there will be a bruising bitter battle for the Repub nomination between Perry and Romney that will leave the winner damaged and greatly weakened as a candidate.
    Which will only make the "winner" of the fight for the Repub nominee easier for Obama to beat.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    She doesn´t bother me: she´s a silly, twisted religious conservative. What scares me are the people who support her.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    hoosier_daddy saidI'm also a little scared about the sudden surge of Rick Perry, especially in light of his pandering speech yesterday to the religious "right".


    A little? He's almost worse than her.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
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    If Perry enters the race - there will be a bruising bitter battle for the Repub nomination between Perry and Romney that will leave the winner damaged and greatly weakened as a candidate.
    Which will only make the "winner" of the fight for the Repub nominee easier for Obama to beat.




    Haha! You're leaving out the very real possibility that the one who could emerge the most "bruised", "damaged", and "weakened" by the campaign is actually President Obama.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 said


    If Perry enters the race - there will be a bruising bitter battle for the Repub nomination between Perry and Romney that will leave the winner damaged and greatly weakened as a candidate.
    Which will only make the "winner" of the fight for the Repub nominee easier for Obama to beat.




    Haha! You're leaving out the very real possibility that the one who could emerge the most "bruised", "damaged", and "weakened" by the campaign is actually President Obama.




    Because I live in the real world - not a Fox "News" fantasy like the one you live in.
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    Aug 07, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said

    Because I live in the real world - not a Fox "News" fantasy like the one you live in.




    Ahhh, I forgot, your "Real World" is "Planet RickRick" icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 07, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.

    A point on which we both agree.

    BTW, do you know I used to vote Republican, and considered myself a Conservative? My parents lifelong Republicans and elected office holders. I corresponded with William F. Buckley, Jr, a "pure" conservative (not all that big a deal, he was a prolific writer who answered everyone), even met him in New York, and still voted Republican until 2004, nearly 10 years after I had come out.


    Did William F. Buckley ever threaten to beat you up? It seems like every time I've seen the guy in an interview he threatens to beat someone up.

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    Aug 07, 2011 7:17 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm conservative. Bachmann is a scary scary hateful nutcase who should never be in office.

    A point on which we both agree.

    BTW, do you know I used to vote Republican, and considered myself a Conservative? My parents lifelong Republicans and elected office holders. I corresponded with William F. Buckley, Jr, a "pure" conservative (not all that big a deal, he was a prolific writer who answered everyone), even met him in New York, and still voted Republican until 2004, nearly 10 years after I had come out.


    Did William F. Buckley ever threaten to beat you up? It seems like every time I've seen the guy in an interview he threatens to beat someone up.






    He probably had a small dick.