What exactly do we mean by 'troll'?

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    May 01, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    Some other discussions here at RJ struck a raw nerve with me.

    Some guys (especially under 30) complain very broadly and vaguely of coping with trolls at the gym.

    I've looked the word up -- obviously, it means ugly or older person. Sometimes it refers to a pushy stalker type, but not always.

    Which is a problem, because:

    1. beauty and ugliness are somewhat subjective
    2. fully half the human population is uglier than the more beautiful half
    3. "older" for some people might mean anyone over 39

    Personally... I'm in my early forties, maybe 15 percent over my ideal body weight and BMI, but improving as I increase my workout activity, join in weekly volleyball games, and modify my eating-out habits.

    I don't gawk at guys under 30 in my gym's open showers or lockers, but I confess I take peeks at people closer to my age -- especially if they're putting it all out there for extended periods of time. I don't chase naked guys from steam room to sauna to showers and back, though on weekends I see younger guys doing just that.

    When is someone a troll, and when is someone just an ordinary-looking, middle-aged (or older) man who likes to glance at naked men without being pushy or leering?

    I'd like to hear from folks what conduct they consider appropriate or inappropriate -- especially from folks who feel marauded by trolls.

    Thanks.
  • art_smass

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    May 01, 2008 4:07 AM GMT
    If you don't live under a bridge and eat goats, you're probably not a troll.
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    May 01, 2008 4:26 AM GMT
    THE WORD "TROLL" IS SUBJECTIVE TOO; ONE GUY'S TROLL COULD BE ANOTHER MAN'S DREAM! YEAH,WE TRY NOT TO LOOK AT OTHER GUYS IN THE GYM,ALTHOUGH WE CANT HELP IT SOMETIMES,ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. FOR ALL I KNOW,I COULD BE ONE (SORRY GUYS)! BUT IF YOU EVER ENCOUNTER ONE,BE NICE,SMILE,THEN LOOK AWAY. IF THEY PERSIST,BE NICE AGAIN,AND SAY SORRY YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED.THAT USUALLY DRIVES THEM AWAY.THATS WHAT I DO.
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    May 01, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    Trolls are, to me, men who come strictly to the gym for their pleasure of ogling naked men in the steam room, or whatever. They have no intention of working out and you can usually pick up on that at their first glance. They are creepy. I love my gym, but the trolls have started to annoy me. Maybe I should be flattered, but I'm more ill at ease. Even tho I am "up there" in age, I have no desire to participate in their sordid lives. It embarrasses me and all the other guys my age.
  • joeindallas

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    May 01, 2008 4:56 AM GMT
    In my gym we have some trolls heck it is a big gym. We have a couple of young guys 20 to 22,and they bitch the most about it. Last week nearly died when I saw one of them in Nordstom getting a troll like guy buying him a suit. It was his Sugar Daddy, saddest part is the trolls looked better
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    May 01, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    I think of myself as a troll.

    I have more restraining orders than teeth, bigger boobs than Dolly Parton (G-d bless her I do love her so), and my butt is sagging a bit (excess skin as I have lost so much weight that I cannot be technically defined as a lard-ass anymore - though you can still feel free to ridicule me as I am used to it by now).

    I stare at pretty men all the time but this is mostly because I am having a lot of trouble getting used to the progressive lenses in my horn-rimmed glasses.

    The best thing about embracing my inner (and outer) troll is that I ALWAYS get the showers in the gym to myself. The hotties scatter like cockroaches in a Florida trailer-house fire whenever I walk in.

    Yes, I am a troll, and it is good.

    Trolly
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    May 01, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    Troll well maybe comes from Trolleying? A guy on the Trolley (not the ones down the plane isle) is a guy on the Pull as far as l hear?



    A Trollying Queen.............
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    May 01, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    JMO, but - I think of 'Trolls' as having a predatory streak...

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    May 01, 2008 5:19 AM GMT
    Isn't it more about behaviour than looks? At the gym (and other places) I've come across good-looking guys who behave in creepy ways, ie, spending hours in the shower, taking forever to get changed. They just think gyms are legitimate places to cruise; ultimately there's no law against it.
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    May 01, 2008 5:22 AM GMT
    my definition of a "Troll" is a somewhat creepy, slithery lurky, dirty, figuratavly(and somtimes literally)Man of any age...who are loners, reclusive types who "eye rape" you constantly in the Hopes of satisfying their perverted desires, they dont use much tact and in most circumstances have "cognotive issues"....but in the end all they are human and somtimes lonely and should be treated with respect and dignity...UNLESS they crab your crotch, and or ass and offer you a blowjobicon_evil.gificon_exclaim.gif
  • joeindallas

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    May 01, 2008 5:23 AM GMT
    Turk troll comes from Nordic Folk lore. They are old creatures that live under bridges and some ledgends say they eat children
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    May 01, 2008 7:06 AM GMT
    joeindallas saidTurk troll comes from Nordic Folk lore. They are old creatures that live under bridges and some ledgends say they eat children


    I am aware of the REAL TROLL but we are talking about Gay Troller's ?


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    May 01, 2008 7:09 AM GMT
    l suppose the next Dumb question will be "what is a fairy"

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  • HndsmKansan

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    May 01, 2008 7:41 AM GMT
    Well I'm not a fan of the word "troll" and generally don't use it, but when I think of the word troll I think of the following:

    1. Behavior: Usually someone who's behavior is in question, i.e. If at the gym, someone who is there not for exercise and self physical improvement, but rather for something sexual or other related "wants" and usually someone who isn't tactile or aboveboard in the
    means or manner of approach.

    2. Looks: The issue at hand with this thread. For me a "troll" can be of any age, but generally is associated with someone who is overweight, sometimes by age.

    For me the behavior really wins out. I even had a thread here about a "troll" in our locker room once.icon_evil.gif
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    May 01, 2008 8:18 AM GMT
    LOL...what a topic..!

    I can't help but think you must consider yourself a "troll", on some level, especially as you seemingly offer up evidence to the contrary of your discovered definition? If you look a bit further, you'll find many other definitions, including my momentary favorite: "to move nimbly, as the tongue in speaking." Although, my "real" favorite would be the Middle-Earth variety... icon_wink.gif

    Your stating of the "problem" is also the answer to your question: it's subjectively interpreted and defined. Sure, this word exists in the sense you speak of, predominantly in slang, but why be concerned over something so mindless? Are you simply looking to be confirmed or repudiated?
  • GQjock

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    May 01, 2008 10:17 AM GMT
    Originally, the different depictions have come to range from the fiendish giants – similar to the ogres of England (also called Trolls at times) – to a devious, more human-like folk, living underground in hills, caves or mounds.

    Today they can be found in many of our urban cities
    and frequently you will see them in bars and gyms and anywhere unsuspecting men may congregate

    Seriously, troll is more a verb than an adjective today
    it's a behavior that is both unwanted and inappropriate
    it's groping - it's leering - and lurking

  • sandiegovince

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    May 01, 2008 11:49 AM GMT
    Troll can also be used in the verb form as to cast one's fishing line or as in "trolling for fish" but I guess in this case it's trolling for men. Trolls at the gym can come in any age, shape and size, but it is true for the most part trolls are over 50 and not the most physically desirable. It is kind of unsettling when you're in the shower or steamroom and some man blatantly stares at you as you shower or worse starts to play with his junk in the steamroom...sheesh, how subtle! I just try to understand why someone would fork out nearly $40 a month in gym fees if all they do is get vicarious thrills sitting in the steamroom or sauna? Dude, get off your butt and work off that sexual energy in the gym, maybe you'll even have better luck getting guys!
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    May 01, 2008 1:06 PM GMT
    I'm not a Troll. More like a Gremlin. icon_twisted.gif
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    May 01, 2008 1:11 PM GMT
    Sedative saidI'm not a Troll. More like a Gremlin. icon_twisted.gif

    ...that was fed past midnight! Fact.
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    May 01, 2008 1:54 PM GMT
    I agree that it's creepy when people leer, stalk, or grope, or when they spend more time in the lockers than on the exercise floor. I go to the gym to work out, not to be hit upon.

    But I also get the impression that some guys only want to be seen by people who are younger and fitter than them, and I confess that it kinda pisses me off that anyone older or who hasn't already lost the weight is expected to wear blindfolds or go to a different gym.

    As I mentioned, at my gym, the guys who most blatantly cruise other guys and spend hours in the lockers/showers are under 35 and physically fit. I'm a bit worried that they may give gays a bad reputation among the straight guys who don't want to be noticed by guys of any age.

    Predatory behavior bothers me -- but so does a double standard that treats guys who notice other guys differently by age or weight.
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 01, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    Well consider the alternative... to be viewed as "eyecandy". I became aware that I had been observed by a gay gentleman a number of times at our local YMCA and he went to some lengths to determine if I was gay and if so .. my situation. I ended up having a conversation with him and I was described in this manner.

    Actually I think I look kind of "disshoveled" at the gym, but to each their own.

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    May 01, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    I go to the gym to work out AND be hit on!!! ... icon_biggrin.gif

    And I take my peeks at the eye candy...but I am discreet about it.

    But there is this one young fellow, perfectly proportioned and formed, with a very nice piece swinging, he takes his shower with the curtain fully open. When I dry off from my shower, there he is in his full splendor! Still, I try to be discreet. But what's a guy to do??? .... I aint dead completely...yet. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 01, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    Caslon saidI go to the gym to work out AND be hit on!!! ... icon_biggrin.gif

    And I take my peeks at the eye candy...but I am discreet about it.

    But there is this one young fellow, perfectly proportioned and formed, with a very nice piece swinging, he takes his shower with the curtain fully open. When I dry off from my shower, there he is in his full splendor! Still, I try to be discreet. But what's a guy to do??? .... I aint dead completely...yet. ... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Wow this guy sounds like a bit of a flirt! I am not at all conscious about my body much to my partner's chagrin. I would at least though close the curtain!

    And no Caslon you are very much alive, I have a feeling you will be quite randy in your 70's and 80's.icon_razz.gif
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    May 01, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    I get checked out often at the gym by guys who would probably be considered trolls. I don't really care. Its nice to be admired. However, when someone in the sauna asks me to pull back my foreskin for them, it crosses the line. Or when I'm in the shower and someone makes its obvious they are interested by jerking off. At that point I don't think its admiration, its trash.
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    May 01, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    i'm a faerie. we tend to get along rather well with trolls; however, gremlins can be problematic if they haven't been properly house broken. still, i don't think of you as a troll in the first place: perhaps a gnome?


    EDIT:
    well, now we know a fun tidbit about gregg's tid bit