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    Feb 17, 2007 5:07 AM GMT
    Look, I realize steroids are not the best way to go, but I weigh 124 pounds and CANNOT gain weight after everything i've tried. I've heard of some websites where you can buy things like sustanon or even find out how to make fina. Just looking for someone to point me in the right direction
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    Feb 17, 2007 6:17 PM GMT
    Hey There,

    Looking at your profile you do way more cardio than weight training. Personally, with an already quick metabolism and possibly (I don't know what/how/when you eat) enjoying the wrong foods, you may be setting yourself up to stay the same weight.

    Roids are a quick fix. Yes you will get gains, yes you will get bigger and stronger, but as soon as you get off of them, you will be pretty flabby. There are also all of those nasty side effects to worry about (you know...acne, small balls, things like that). I would recommend you check here for workout plans/topics that deal with food and weight management (er...the other way - gaining rather than losing) and go to Barnes and Noble or your local book store and read up on nutrition for hard gainers and better/heavier exercise routines. Coupling that with supplements like whey protein and creatine...you should begin to see gains.

    Keep in mind, this is a SLOW process and it takes time to change your body. Think of roids like a tire patch. Yes it can immediately fix the issue, but it is not meant to be a permanant solution and soon enough it will be a problem again. It's your life and it is up to you...but I would think long and hard and change some of your daily gym/life activities before going to steroids.
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    Feb 17, 2007 10:09 PM GMT
    Go see your doctor. Tell him/her you want a complete CMP (Complete Metabolic Panel), and that you also want your thyroid, and resting blood glucose checked. The CMP usually has your lipids (choleserol), and electrolytes. If you are eating, and you are doing a ton of cardio, you're gonna' look like you live in Ethiopia and there's nothing you can do about it. If you ARE eating, and you cut back and your cardio, and you STILL can't gain some weight, something might be wrong. Your thyroid function might be messed up (too fast). Your doctor will know the tests he needs to do to figure out what, if anything, is up.

    Take a look at your wrists. If they are exceptionally small, you should accept that you don't have genetics for being big and muscular. That's just genes.
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    Feb 17, 2007 10:22 PM GMT
    Just FYI, eat until it hurts, then, eat extra. Likely, unless something is going on with your body, you'll gain.

    If you wanna' gain, you need to eat.

    It take YEARS to develop quality muscle. It takes YEARS of not missing meals; not missing workouts.

    And...there's nothing wrong with being a smidge underweight. You'll live longer. Being anorexic, though, is very unhealthy.

    As far a juice goes, that's a personal decision. Do research, and do more research. Don't listen to the local quack. There's lots of good science on various muscle boards, and from places like John Hopkins.

    You might have your doctor run a testosterone test, too.
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    Feb 18, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    I'm with Chuckystud. Man, you gotta eat. I started on a mass-building program and getting ready to enter into 4th week. I'm forcing - literally 'forcing' food down my throat to take in at least 4000 calories a day - clean food - not McDonald's. It's tough and takes a lot of discipline - but it has paid off. Started at 218 and weighed in this morning at 231. You have got to get a good balance of protein, carbs and fat. Supplement shakes every now and then will help too, but don't rely only on them. And lift and I mean, lift heavy. You should only be able to do 6-8 reps on 2/3rd set - push hard.

    If, after all that - looks at alternatives, but only after checking in with the doc to make sure there's nothing wrong - check liver too - if you start gear - you need to make sure your liver is as health as it can be. The forum at BodyBuilding.com is a good place to read and do some research.
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    Feb 18, 2007 9:05 AM GMT
    Hey guys thanks for all your posts and thoughts. I appreciate the feedback so quickly. I've had panel test ive had checkup, trainers nutritionists...theres nothing wrong with me other than I have a VERY high metabolism is runs in my family. I've weighed my options carefully and the only thing I want is steroids now. Nothing else. I've been on supplements and whey and creatine and everything imaginable. Doesnt work.I know what I want and nothing else
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    Feb 18, 2007 9:41 AM GMT
    My only thing is that you educate yourself on roids- the sides, dosages, post cycle therapy, etc.
    The more educated you are about them, the more you can make more informed decisions about what really will work for you.
    Ric
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    Feb 18, 2007 9:23 PM GMT
    Again....Thank you all for your imput. This is what I want. Thank God someone emailed me and told me what I wanted to know. They gave me the website planet-steroids.com. No hello and no story with it. All I wanted I know about side affects and have checked out if anything else was wrong for me. Thats all i wanted.
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    Feb 18, 2007 11:06 PM GMT
    I've been taking CE2 Ester Creatine... much better than the powder monohydrate... its working for me, gained 10 pounds in the last 6 weeks. Dont screw around with steroids, you can tell a guy on steroids froma mile away, its expensive, and as soon as you stop you deflate as fast as you blew up.

    ...but its true you have to eat like a horse, drink a ton of water... make sure you are on time with meals, protein drinks etc... education is 50%.

    I have a high metabolism, and I only do cardio to keep my lung capacity and endruance going. I don't do more than 10-15 mins. If you are already lean, there is no reason to sweat yourself to death on a cardio machine... just use it to warm up a bit, then weight train.

    Remember to challenge yourself too - dont hurt yourself with too heavy a weight, but make sure your muscles are tired by the time you are done. Otherwise, you are being too easy on your body and it wont gain - because it doesnt have to.

    Your body will gain when it needs to, so make it need to. =)

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    Feb 19, 2007 4:07 AM GMT
    While I'm going going to convince you one way or the other about steroids ... you've already made up your mind ... one thing to think about is the following.

    When you take steroids, you're suppressing your body's ability to produce testosterone. Your body wants to keep its testosterone levels at a certain point and by taking roids, you're swamping your system with testosterone. Bottom line ... you're flooding your body with a substance and the body wants to stay at homeostasis.

    Therefore, once you stop using steroids, you're going to make less testosterone than you were making prior to cycling. While there are ways to circumvent that, they aren't full proof and you could end up smaller than you were previously.
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    Feb 25, 2007 5:47 AM GMT
    I have one product to recommend you ......

    - - - - - MUSCLE MILK - - - - - -

    If you drink this, truly lift some heavy ass weights and seriously devote the time to eat, train and live a bodybuilding lifestyle .. you will GAIN MASS...

    And save a hell of alot of money and it will last longer!!

    Chuck
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    (got that name from being a serious lifter at the gym, so if you are training in my gym and you are on your cell phone along with a towel trying to "save" equipment - I will lets just say, ask you to politely to get the hell out of my way!)

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    Feb 25, 2007 3:40 PM GMT
    Sounds like the kid already had his mind made up that he wants the juice and didn't listen to any of the excellent pointers and recommendations.

    It's kinda sad.
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    Feb 25, 2007 3:44 PM GMT
    such sensible answers! these guys are right. taking in vast amounts of raw material (i.e. food) to make the muscle is key. when you can't bare to eat as much as you should muscle milk and creatine are awesome help.

    as far as the workouts you do and what not, i highly recommend this book scrawny to brawny. its all about workouts (and diets) designed to help hard gainers like yourself start packing on mass. once the book gets you started, you'll be able to try other workouts to keep on adding more size - as long as you keep eatin. aight?

  • DrStorm

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    Feb 25, 2007 3:48 PM GMT
    When I was 22 I weighed 108lbs - you could see my damn ribs. I ate like a horse and also thought I'd never ever NOT been short and a beanpole....give it time. I also went to see a doctor - there was nothing wrong with me other than a fast metabolism. I'd recommend you see a doctor, get checked and if there is nothing wrong with you, then keep at it in the gym. Get a personal trainer to give a program that will ensure that you actually do start putting on some weight. And yes, if there is nothing wrong with you, then give it TIME....do you think any of us got to look like we did overnight? Having been a personal trainer at a university for many years while doing my PHD, all I can say is stay away from steroids, ESPECIALLY if you're young.
  • dreamer

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    Feb 25, 2007 5:11 PM GMT
    Well, admittedly, steroids can make you look like a creature from Greek myth--yet you still have to put in the time in the gym and understand your body well enough to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and assess where you need the most work. I personally would never do steroids. I pride myself on being all-natural, and I've beaten my genetics with sound technique, determination, and plain hard work. Besides, you can spot a steroid man miles away with his steroid gut, which isn't very attractive.
  • Starboard

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    Feb 25, 2007 10:11 PM GMT
    Well, I think everyone flirts with options and steroids is always one of them (as with foreign diplomacy "all options are always on the table").

    I disagree with the skinny wrist theory. Just because you have a small frame does not mean that you can't dramatically change your physique. There is a lot that you can do -- I happen to have skinny wrists but I am am not going to resign myself to thinking that I can't achieve my goals.

    Some posts have recommended supplements. I personally can't gain weight without them. Muscle Milk shakes are very tastey -- but they are high in sugar and fat. I like Cyto Gainer -- over 50 grams of protein and less then 6 grams of sugar per shake.
  • canuckdave

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    Mar 07, 2007 11:59 PM GMT
    Some great posts here. Here's my 2 cents worth and a few things to consider:
    The facts about Steroid Abuse

    * Steroids and HGH (Human Growth Hormone) are illegal for a reason: They will harm your health. It's not only a question of side effects, but also because juice can be tainted (black market).
    * Steroids and HGH are widely counterfeited and can produce serious health risks when taken oral or by injection

    Side effects in males:

    * acne
    * shrunken testicles
    * decreased sperm production which can lead to impotence
    * hematoma, ( a collection of blood, generally the result of hemorrhage or, more specifically, internal bleeding. Hematomas exist as bruises, but can also develop in organs. Hematomas can gradually migrate, as the effused cells and pigment move in the connective tissue. Hematomas on joints can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
    * scar tissue build-up,
    *stretch marks in skin
    * low sex drive
    * changes in character, aggression, rage
    * premature baldness*
    * enlargement of the prostate gland *muscle dysmorphi, (opposite of anorexia) leading to psychological addiction
    * breast enlargement
    * stroke and heart disease
    * liver damage that can lead to death
    * Increase rate of spread in cancer cells
    * Leukemia
    *Roid gut*

    HGH is very different than steroids. HGH causes production of new cells. Steroids cause only the enlargement of existing cells. The new cell growth seems to target only with the soft tissues and rarely skeletal system. Unfortunately, not only are the muscles cells multiplying but so are the internal muscles like the intestines and heart. Furthermore, organs, like the liver, kidneys and pancreas are growing too. When the growth of these internal muscles and organs occur in a fixed chest cavity, there is only one direction for this extra mass to go and that is out the abdominal area. Roid Gut

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    Mar 10, 2007 1:13 AM GMT
    Research HRT; anti-aging; hormone replacement therapy.

    I think you'll find lots of good science has been done in the last few decades.

    It wasn't by accident that almost all professional and legal organizations (including the DEA, DHS, and AMA) recommended androgens be legend (prescription but not controlled), or OTC (over the counter).

    There are a wide range of proven health benefits to androgen therapy, BUT....you need to do that research yourself, and not listen to some local nut.

    One aspirin (actually less, more like 1/2) will keep you from a wide variety of cardiovascular diseases, but, a bottle of aspirin will make you bleed to death. While androgens won't kill you like aspirin, used improperly, they can negatively affect some of your blood chemistry. Used wisely, they can enhance the quality of your life as you grow older, improve mood, protect your heart, prevent Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's, and slow aging to a crawl. The important thing: it's a personal choice, and like most things in life, there are pros and cons.
  • minihunk

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    Mar 10, 2007 4:00 AM GMT
    Listen guy.... (and consider my weight at 20 was around 110 for 5' 8''...)

    I'm not completely an anti-steroid guy in some circumstances... for me (under medical supervision)it's not worst than stomach surgery for super fat people BUT in your case NOW ... forget it!!!

    First, at 20 your growt is far to be finish guy... an i am pretty sure than your testosterone level is pretty high (very easy to check this level by a medical blood test). Basically, steroids just raise your testosterone level. All steroid are just variation of testosterone. Testosterone is the most powerfull steroid and at 20 you produce a lot of testosterone.

    The most important thing you have to understand, in your situation, is the fact than the muscle will be produce if you have extra calories to built it and that's not change even if you are full of steroid in your system! Than with your super fast metabolism you have to consume a lot of calories. Considering you are a very thin guy who don't seem to accumulate fat for now (believe me it can be completely different at 40 but i talk for now!) i just recommand to you, and i know it is an "undergroud" advice, to eat a lot of whatever seem appetizing to you from Hagen-Dazz pot of ice cream to pizza passing too by a good burger and fries snack!!!! Yes Sir!... maybe you need 5000 or 6000 calories a day to start to accumulate some pounds...and believe me, for a hard gainer, it's near of impossible to have it just by eating tuna rice, egg white and protein bar!!! Too forget all cardio for now... a quick metabolism guy is generally very speedy and walk, move and talk very quickly in day life and that's enough cardio for you now!

    Finally, as you know, train with very heavy weight but not more than 3 times a week!

    Even on steroid you will have to eat, eat and eat.... !!!!!

    N.B 1: Using steroid at 20 years is medically SUPER dangerous buddy... no joke about it... at 40 it can be more medically acceptable, under medical supervision, as your natural testosterone production begin to decline seriously.

    N.B. 2: Even if your bone frame is thinner (very fine wirst) you can have a very sexy shape... not necessarly the football player bulldog shape but more the gymnast shape...you is really not non-attractive...

    than stop to read now and go eat something right now...
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    Mar 11, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    Ditto what others said: See your doctor. It is not that unusual these days for a doctor to put very thin guys on a mild steroid regimen. I have a couple of friends who take mild doses under a doctor's supervision.

    The dangers of these drugs have been vastly overstated. When I was in my 20s, doctors ticked off an array of terrifying side effects and supported the Bush (I) Administration's making possession of the drugs a felony. I wouldn't go near them for fear all my hair would fall out, my prostate would burst out of my ass and my heart would stop during exuberant fucking.

    Fast forward to the AIDS epidemic and suddenly the drugs are just fine to use to treat wasting syndrome. And they're just fine to use for hormone replacement therapy. Those dreaded side effects seem to have vanished for the most part.

    The main disadavantage of steroids to my mind is that they create an artifical standard that can't be maintained except by continuing to take the drugs. At least this is true with people who take large doses in so-called cycles. In milder doses like HRT I doubt this is an issue.

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    Mar 11, 2007 11:06 AM GMT
    The info posted here on HGH is a bit misleading. If you do a quick Google search for "acromegaly," one can easily see from the photos that come up that an excess of HGH does affect bony tissue quite significantly. In young individuals (that have not achieved adult height) HGH will lead to gigantism (increased linear growth). After linear growth ceases, HGH causes all tissues to grow, including bone, leading to coarsening of facial features due to the thickening of bones, and enlargment of internal organs. It is no coincidence that people with gigantism or acromegaly can die from complications like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (enlargement of the heart), liver failure, and other organ diseases. While treatment of HGH deficiency in childhood is well established, and even now some doctors treat HGH "pseudodeficiency" in short children, HGH replacement, even in cases of true deficiency, is not performed in adults. It produces only mild increases in muscle mass at normal doses, and high doses have too great a potential to cause harm.

    Hormone replacement therapy is targeted at correcting underlying hormonal deficiencies. Since testosterone falls off with age, it is actually quite common to perform hormone replacement with testoserone gels, patches, or shots. This replacement tends to be at the level of roughly 100mg/week, with the goal of producing a physiologic level of testosterone in the body. This is associated with an increase in lean body mass, decrease in fat, correction of high blood pressure, correction of dyslipidemia, an increase in insulin sensativity, and possibly an increase in vascular endothelial reactivity. It is actually thought that low testosterone is one factor that predisposes aging men to weight gain, bad cholesterols, high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart attacks. Frankly, I think any guy past his mid-40's should get his levels checked and consider doing hormone replacement.

    HGH levels do not fall off with age, and thus any therapy with them after linear growth has ceased seems to be of dubious benefit, at best. Any hormone, in excess of physiologic doses, has the potential to cause harm. Again, with testosterone, at the doses taken in a "cycle," which can be up to 10g a week, you end up with a high risk of all the side effects above. This is especially likely for a 20 y/o male, who is naturally around his peak level of natural testosterone production. At this age, your body is already making so much testosterone that all your androgen receptors are already fully saturated. Your body has no need for the extra hormone.

    Other things to keep in mind is that the impotence, shrunken testicles, and infertility caused by high doses of testosterone are not necessarily reversible. Depending on how thoroughly you have suppressed your testicular cells, they may not recover when you come off the steroids. I would imagine that it somewhat defeats the point of getting buff if you look hot and can't get it up.

    I agree with all the previous posters who said you just need to eat more. It is absolute fact that you cannot gain weight unless you eat more calories than you burn. If you are doing cardio, stop, or at least cut back to just 10-15 mins before you lift. Considering the amount of money you are talking about spending, why not schedule an appointment with a nutritionist and work out a proper diet to gain weight. It would probably be cheaper, and I don't doubt that you would see results.
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    Mar 13, 2007 4:26 AM GMT
    I always ponder the following: what is the medical protocol for the worst of the worst immune systems? HIV, burns, and cancer? Humm. Might that be androgens that are given to the sickest of the sickest. Yeah, I believe that's the case.

    Remember, androgens were over the counter until the 80's.

    Remember, also that every piece of meat you eat, unless it's been labeled "organic" has almost certainly been treated with androgens, because of the increased "feed efficiency." (30%).

    Gosh. I wonder if that, along with modern medicine, is why people are living longer and growing taller.
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    Mar 13, 2007 10:35 AM GMT
    While it is true that sick people (cancer, HIV) get treated with androgens, as I pointed out in my previous post, its all in the dose.

    I currently work with a doctor who specializes in male aging and has more than 30% of his patients on hormone replacement therapy. Therapeutic doses of testosterone do not normally exceed 400mg every 2 weeks (and range from 50-400mg every 2-4 weeks). So a 10g/week steroid regimine is anywhere from 50-800 times as high a dose as what a doctor would prescribe for a medical condition.

    The side effects and consequences of steroid use are not invented by politicians or doctors. I think that we can all understand that while something might be safe at one dose, it can cause harm when you take 50 times as much.

    As an aside, I personally find the use of bovine growth hormone and antibiotics in cattle despicable and only eat naturally raised meat. I wasn't aware of the use of androgens in cattle, and I know they certainly aren't used in pigs (all hormone use is illegal in pigs), bu nothing in the unethical meat industry surprises me anymore.
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    Mar 15, 2007 9:59 PM GMT
    cisco, I'm afraid you're in error. Google on Finaplix and
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    Mar 15, 2007 9:59 PM GMT
    pigs