Happy Labour Day!! But not in the US of A. WHY??

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    May 01, 2008 6:35 AM GMT
    Today is Labour Day in all of Europe. In fact, it is Labour Day in the entire world except the USA, Canada and South Africa even though the celebration of it is celebrating the occurrence of an incident that happened in the USA in the late nineteenth century. So why is this holiday not celebrated on May 1 in the USA. Read and learn.

    http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/mayday.html

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  • Laurence

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    May 01, 2008 7:02 AM GMT
    In the Uk we celebrate the first monday of May as 'May day', this is a public holiday and I think dates back to pagan times with May being the beginning of Spring (don't quote me on this).

    We don't celebrate Labour day and neither should you lot in the US - you have enough single day holidays as it isicon_confused.gif

    But a Happy Labour Day to all those who celebrate it.

    Lozx
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    May 01, 2008 7:18 AM GMT
    Laurence saidIn the Uk we celebrate the first monday of May as 'May day'

    Lozx


    Ahh! Thanks for the update Laurence. As in the States, so many of the holidays are moved to Monday to give people a three dayer. Here in Spain, the folks just make what they call a bridge "puente". They will call in sick or take a personal holiday on Friday and make it a four dayer, any excuse for a party. Hooray!!!
  • MattyC0709

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    May 01, 2008 11:52 AM GMT
    Here in Malta it's called Worker's Day! Yay, no school!!! icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_razz.gificon_wink.gif
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    May 01, 2008 12:17 PM GMT
    We American's hate Communists. Hate, hate, hate them. Make a holiday out of Haymarket? Heck, we executed people for participating in it. icon_sad.gif
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    May 01, 2008 12:27 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidWe American's hate Communists. Hate, hate, hate them. Make a holiday out of Haymarket? Heck, we executed people for participating in it. icon_sad.gif


    Oh it's more insidious than that. It's not that Americans hate Communists, it's that the conservatives in America hate the very idea that laborers, those who create the products and services that we all benefit from, could have any sort of power over business. It's so repugnant to conservatives that they won't allow labor day to be celebrated as something with importance, something that workers the world round can celebrate in. If it was up to conservatives in this country, we'd all still be virtual slaves to business interests and the Gilded Age, as Twain termed it, would have never ended.
  • swall1963

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    May 01, 2008 12:53 PM GMT
    Obviously you don't realize that in the United States we celebrate Labor day on the first Monday of September.
  • redheaded_dud...

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    May 01, 2008 12:58 PM GMT
    We moved Labor Day to September so that we could wear white shoes for more of the year. (In the US, there's a "fashion rule" that says: No white shoes after Labor Day.)
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    May 01, 2008 12:59 PM GMT
    It's bad enough we have a labor day in September. That communist hiliday ought to be repealed or renamed.

    Happy May Day to all you commies and anarchists.

    I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?


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    May 01, 2008 1:27 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?


    of course.
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    May 01, 2008 1:40 PM GMT
    John43620 said

    I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?




    Deliciously so.
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    May 01, 2008 1:42 PM GMT
    John43620 said

    I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?




    Pink is nearly red, no?
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 01, 2008 2:43 PM GMT
    I hadn't noticed this thread when I did my "May Day" thread, but its interesting.... how this day (May 1) has differing meaning for different people.
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    May 01, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    We have a Labor Day, so what's the problem.

    Oh, I see, we cant pick on the US for not having a Labor Day, so we will try to make a to-do over the fact it's not on a specific date.

    How pathetic!
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    May 01, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    Wow, that is an oversimplification that is hardly worthy of your intellect.

    I live in Europe and am endlessly amused by the communists. They fly in helicopters and purchase ski chalets at $50,000.00 a square meter in Cortina d'Ampezzo (a place that American and British soldiers helped liberate from the hands of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    The Italians ended up calling the "partigiani" (essentially communist "freedom fighters" who fought the fascists at the end of the second world war) the "parti roba". (part with your stuff). Essentially that meant that if they thought someone was a fascist (or just an enemy of the family) they killed them and took their property (not for the state, for themselves).

    The most recent jolly has been the "center left" government of Romano Prodi that decided as its parting shot to post the income tax data online for every Italian citizen (if I could tell you how many times I have signed "privacy" forms for the treatment of personal data in triplicate this would make you laugh.)

    To be honest, I don't like communists at all. More than that, I don't like people who cannot think and who are idealistic at the expense of practical thought.

    I would wager that more people have died from idealism than have died from all of the wars put together.

    Mayday is not my favorite holiday, and I do think that communism like fascism belongs on the dustbin of history.

    At least I had a nice lunch.

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    Terry


    Chewey_Delt said,

    MunchingZombie said,

    We American's hate Communists. Hate, hate, hate them. Make a holiday out of Haymarket? Heck, we executed people for participating in it. icon_sad.gif


    Oh it's more insidious than that. It's not that Americans hate Communists, it's that the conservatives in America hate the very idea that laborers, those who create the products and services that we all benefit from, could have any sort of power over business. It's so repugnant to conservatives that they won't allow labor day to be celebrated as something with importance, something that workers the world round can celebrate in. If it was up to conservatives in this country, we'd all still be virtual slaves to business interests and the Gilded Age, as Twain termed it, would have never ended.[/quote]
  • auryn

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    May 01, 2008 6:41 PM GMT
    If Labor Day were now, then the kids wouldn't have an extra day off before going to public school in the fall. Duh!
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    May 01, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    Who said anything about communism? The article I referred to talked about anarchists. I do not think you can equate anarchy with communism. If anything, they are polar opposites. I cannot understand why someone who lives in Italy could equate the two since anarchy is a way of life in most of Italy where nothing seems to work and the only places that work are places like Bologna that have a history of communist governments.

    Even if you see what happened in 1884 as a pre-Communist movement in America it does not answer the question as to why the rest of the world celebrates Labour day on May 1. Do you think every other country in the world is communist? No, I think the answer lies with the continuing anti-worker propaganda that comes from a system of predatory capitalism. Has that system really benefited the world as a whole or has it done more damage than any communist or anarchist system ever has. Usually, it is only business owners and other people who have taken unfair advantage of workers who continue to support that system.
  • redheaded_dud...

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    May 01, 2008 9:03 PM GMT
    Our favorite US Labor Leader is Jimmy Hoffa, who was a spotless character.

    See this link for the Communism/Anarchism connection.

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day[/url]
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    May 01, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    John43620 saidIt's bad enough we have a labor day in September. That communist hiliday ought to be repealed or renamed.

    Happy May Day to all you commies and anarchists.

    I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?


    Oh, John, enough with the union-bashing, it's SOOOOO 1981. Reagan is dead, air traffic controllers are history, and communism will soon be fashionable again.

    Come on over, we'll have a RED bull and RUSSIAN vodka to celebrate!
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    May 01, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    John43620 saidIt's bad enough we have a labor day in September. That communist hiliday ought to be repealed or renamed.

    Happy May Day to all you commies and anarchists.

    I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?




    Anarchists are a very different kettle of fish then communists. Anarchists don't believe in any government! Communists unfortunately believe in too much.

    BTW John you may be one of the few people I know that will complain about a holiday during one of the sunniest and warmest parts of the year. Live in Canada and you would appreciate a long weekend in early September more.
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    May 01, 2008 11:12 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]I have one question though, are you both red and fabulous?


    of course. [/quote]

    I didn't know you were a Republican MZ. After all Republican states are known as "red" states. In Canada the Liberal party is red and the Conservatives are tory blue. Another reason to live in Canada, we don't get our colours mixed up! icon_wink.gif
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    May 01, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    Bologna works? The city is a disaster. It is really the only city in Italy where there are drug addicts lying around in the streets.

    Actually, I don't see Haymarket as a pre-communist movement anymore than I see Italy as anarchic (I see Haymarket as a riot).

    Italians are the least anarchic people I have ever seen. Actually, they are mind numbingly conventional. It is amazing to see the line of workers out the door of the bathrooms after lunch where everyone is lining up to brush their teeth.

    The reality is that the very strong family unit extends just about as far as the local commune and tends to be a response to the lack of a working parliamentary government.

    By the way, many cities in Italy have far left leaning governments that do work (i.e. Massimo Cacciari's Venetian mayoral government that has been extremely enduring and rather successful).

    I personally associated Mayday with communism as many people of my age do. I suspect that it has to do with the giant Mayday parades through Red Square with nuclear ballistic missiles that I recall seeing on television.

    So exactly what do you mean by "continuing anti-worker propaganda that comes from a system of predatory capitalism"?

    This is just the kind of sweeping generalization that sounds high-minded but is ultimately meaningless.

    Business owner = bad = take unfair advantage of workers

    As to why America doesn't celebrate Labor Day on May 1st, I suppose it has to do with the fact that President Grover Cleveland believed that celebrating labor day on the 1st of May would be construed as commemorating the Haymarket Riots, and instead lent his support to the Tuesday, September 5th 1882 date of the Knights of Labor Parade in New York City.

    No I don't think every other country in the world is communist.

    Yeah, I think that Rockefeller, Carnegie, Phipps, Mellon, Stanford, and on and on have left a more positive imprint on the world than Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so forth.

    I think the iPod revolution is less damaging than the Cultural Revolution.

    Just one last question on cross pollination of threads - since we see that the definition of a troll includes predatory behaviour are predatory capitalists automatically trolls?

    alexander7 said

    Who said anything about communism? The article I referred to talked about anarchists. I do not think you can equate anarchy with communism. If anything, they are polar opposites. I cannot understand why someone who lives in Italy could equate the two since anarchy is a way of life in most of Italy where nothing seems to work and the only places that work are places like Bologna that have a history of communist governments.

    Even if you see what happened in 1884 as a pre-Communist movement in America it does not answer the question as to why the rest of the world celebrates Labour day on May 1. Do you think every other country in the world is communist? No, I think the answer lies with the continuing anti-worker propaganda that comes from a system of predatory capitalism. Has that system really benefited the world as a whole or has it done more damage than any communist or anarchist system ever has. Usually, it is only business owners and other people who have taken unfair advantage of workers who continue to support that system.

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    May 02, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 saidAnarchists are a very different kettle of fish then communists. Anarchists don't believe in any government! Communists unfortunately believe in too much.


    At the time of Haymarket Communists and Anarchists had a lot in common. The good name of Communism has been sullied by Soviet style Communism. Read a little of Emma Goldman and she makes clear the connections between the two.

    But Alexander7 is right. I said Communists earlier when I should have said Anarchists. If only my country celebrated this day I might have gotten it right. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 02, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    MZ thanks for the clarification. I am glad that May 1st is not celebrated in Canada, for very practical reasons. It is still to cold. There are parts of Ontario that recently got 8 inches of snow!

    We celebrate good Queen Vickie's birthday in a few weeks. It is the unofficial start of summer in the Great White North.
  • Laurence

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    May 02, 2008 5:00 AM GMT
    Tsk! You Americans are obsessed by Communists. Do these people still exist? I thought the collapse of Russia as a Communist state put an end to all that nonsense.

    It's time to move on guys. Besides the world is a big place and can suppost lots of different political views.

    Lozx