Riots In London

  • metta

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    Aug 08, 2011 7:31 PM GMT

    Live Coverage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675


    Map of Riots:

    http://theatlantic.tumblr.com/post/8691205185/lienatik-london-riots-timeline-and-map-of

    Riot fallout hits south London, Croydon

    http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/topstories/9183466.LIVE__Riot_fallout_hits_Croydon/


    Riots Break Out in North London After Police Shooting Death

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/violent-protests-break-out-in-north-london/

    More Photos: http://www.globalpost.com/photo-galleries/planet-pic/5672739/london-fire-violent-riots-spread-photos-gallery

    BlackBerry Messenger 'used to perpetuate riots' in London

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/blackberry-messenger-used-to-perpetuate-riots-in-london/12089






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    Aug 08, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    O no, why whats going on???
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    Another major city hit by violence, this time in supposedly safe and peaceful Europe.
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    Aug 08, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAnother major city hit by violence, this time in supposedly safe and peaceful Europe.


    Nobody has died in London, and—sadly—8 people were shot the other day in small town Ohio:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20089421-504083.html

    But we know you don't give a fuck about the truth.
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    Aug 08, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    metta8 saidBlackBerry Messenger 'used to perpetuate riots'
    in London


    You know, Metta8, considering you always claim to be "too busy" to comment on these threads that you start off, perhaps you'd at least bother to read the stories that you're posting! The article that you've linked to actually admits that there's no real evidence of this being the case.

    People are quick to look for easy, rational explanations of the cause of group violence. There aren't any.

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    metta8 saidBlackBerry Messenger 'used to perpetuate riots'
    in London


    You know, Metta8, considering you always claim to be "too busy" to comment on these threads that you start off, perhaps you'd at least bother to read the stories that you're posting! The article that you've linked to actually admits that there's no real evidence of this being the case.

    People are quick to look for easy, rational explanations of the cause of group violence. There aren't any.



    RIM seeded it... knowing their stock will never recover and rated so by Forbes they needed to explore new market oppertunities.

    Seriously though rioting chavs and Blackberry's...Really?
  • abflexman

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
    It's getting ridiculous. Looting and Damage being caused all over London now - it is looking out of control at the moment - scary stuff.

    Spread to Birmingham too.

    It does indeed sound that its kids of all ethnic backgrounds causing this mindless damage. Never seen anything like this.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
    TigerTim, FYI just because there were no reported deaths in the rioting in London doesn't mean that this wasn't a serious incident. It was very serious as evidenced by the large fires and the rampant looting. Also if anyone doesn't give a fuck about the truth on here, it is you buddy. London and other European cities have their serious urban problems just like any other large cities. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
  • abflexman

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:56 PM GMT
    No reported deaths yet - but its getting worse tonight.

    The scary thing is all the eye witness reports say the groups of youths are laughing as they vandalise all these buildings. Not good
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    Aug 08, 2011 10:56 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother major city hit by violence, this time in supposedly safe and peaceful Europe.


    Nobody has died in London, and—sadly—8 people were shot the other day in small town Ohio:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20089421-504083.html

    But we know you don't give a fuck about the truth.



    ...or rationality.
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAnother major city hit by violence, this time in supposedly safe and peaceful Europe.


    Safe and peaceful Europe? I thought that was the continent that spawned a worldwide network of oppression and two world wars?

    OAN, what does this have to do with a riot that had no deaths following it?

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    Aug 08, 2011 11:01 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    TigerTim said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother major city hit by violence, this time in supposedly safe and peaceful Europe.


    Nobody has died in London, and—sadly—8 people were shot the other day in small town Ohio:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20089421-504083.html

    But we know you don't give a fuck about the truth.



    ...or rationality.


    Good point... a riot is not a shooting.. riots can be good sometimes.. as those of the arab spring... when they do not entail deaths.... riots are not necessarily bloody...
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:02 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidTigerTim, FYI just because there were no reported deaths in the rioting in London doesn't mean that this wasn't a serious incident. It was very serious as evidenced by the large fires and the rampant looting. Also if anyone doesn't give a fuck about the truth on here, it is you buddy. London and other European cities have their serious urban problems just like any other large cities. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.


    Of course London has social problems - that's simply a part of humanity. It is substantially safer in most measurable respects (especially violent crime) than most major US cities, however. It is, broadly speaking, an extremely safe city to live in.

    Suggesting that Europe and/or the UK isn't relatively safe or peaceful as a result of once incident is a little unreasonable.
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:10 PM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    metta8 saidBlackBerry Messenger 'used to perpetuate riots'
    in London


    You know, Metta8, considering you always claim to be "too busy" to comment on these threads that you start off, perhaps you'd at least bother to read the stories that you're posting! The article that you've linked to actually admits that there's no real evidence of this being the case.

    People are quick to look for easy, rational explanations of the cause of group violence. There aren't any.



    RIM seeded it... knowing their stock will never recover and rated so by Forbes they needed to explore new market oppertunities.

    Seriously though rioting chavs and Blackberry's...Really?


    Well, the Blackberry 8520 is offered for free on extremely cheap contracts and BBM is great value for those who like to "text" a lot. I've seen lots of kids with Blackberries and it makes sense that any groups who are rioting might wish to keep in touch with each other.
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    abflexman saidNo reported deaths yet - but its getting worse tonight.

    The scary thing is all the eye witness reports say the groups of youths are laughing as they vandalise all these buildings. Not good



    So sad. This reminds me of what was going on in Chicago right before I left. Not on the same level of course, but certainly makes you think...
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:17 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidTigerTim, FYI just because there were no reported deaths in the rioting in London doesn't mean that this wasn't a serious incident. It was very serious as evidenced by the large fires and the rampant looting. Also if anyone doesn't give a fuck about the truth on here, it is you buddy. London and other European cities have their serious urban problems just like any other large cities. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.


    I have many very good friends in London, and I'm more than a little worried about their safety. But I don't think any of this is helped by your nasty and ignorant little rants.
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    Aug 09, 2011 1:08 AM GMT
    It is starting to become more than a pet-peeve for me to hear government, news reporting organizations and media, generally, point to the use of the internet, twitter, or a cell phone in connection with something negative.

    When there is your garden variety robbery or breaking and entering, does anyone stop and say, "And reports indicate that telephones were used to plan out the heist"? No, that's because we have accepted that phones are an electronic form of communication integral to contemporary society. Similarly, I think cell phones, the internet, and dare I say Twitter, are becoming the norm for communication by the masses. This paranoia that is unnecessarily generated by pointing to connections between negative incidents and communication technologies bothers me because it can set the stage for censorship and filtering of these media.

    That said, I am concerned about what is taking place in London and wonder if the riots foreshadow what could occur in other developed countries that have scores of under- and unemployed youth.
  • abflexman

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    Aug 09, 2011 7:39 AM GMT
    This morning all the reports are saying they are groups of young kids, what are there parents doing to stop this?! It spread to Bristol and parts of Liverpool last night as well- copycat stuff.

    The police don't stand a chance at the moment- totally out numbered- going to have to get the army in. It's too easy for these kids to get away with it at the moment.

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    Aug 09, 2011 8:00 AM GMT
    Everyone is going absolutely nuts, it's terrible.

    Yet another reason why I want to leave this country at some point.

    I feel ashamed...especially as the whole world is watching in the run up to the Olympics next year, and this is the image we're portraying.
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    Aug 09, 2011 8:13 AM GMT
    everywhere has scum. What is embarrassing is how the police have not been equipped and allowed to use force (tear gas, water cannons) to stop it. The wishy washy politicians prattle about "policing by consent"... We need stability.
  • bad_wolf

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    Aug 09, 2011 8:13 AM GMT
    You think we're still going to be hosting after this? I would pull out, who would want to come to this arsehole of a country to die.
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    Aug 09, 2011 8:16 AM GMT
    everywhere has scum. What is embarrassing is how the police have not been equipped and allowed to use force (tear gas, water cannons) to stop it. The wishy washy politicians prattle about "policing by consent"... We need stability.
  • metta

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    Aug 09, 2011 8:39 AM GMT
    Pure saidEveryone is going absolutely nuts, it's terrible.

    Yet another reason why I want to leave this country at some point.

    I feel ashamed...especially as the whole world is watching in the run up to the Olympics next year, and this is the image we're portraying.


    Don't feel ashamed. There is not a country in the World that does not have its problems. We all have citizens that do bad things and I don't think they represent the country as a whole. I just hope that they can get things under control quickly.
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    Aug 09, 2011 8:51 AM GMT
    Lostboy saideverywhere has scum. What is embarrassing is how the police have not been equipped and allowed to use force (tear gas, water cannons) to stop it. The wishy washy politicians prattle about "policing by consent"... We need stability.


    Does everywhere have chav and hoodie scum like we do? I don't think so. It's because for years scroungers have been given an easy ride by this country...well, this is the result of a generation reared on hand-outs. No respect for anyone or anything.
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    Aug 09, 2011 9:14 AM GMT
    It is just a little local difficulty. The UK riots during the early 1980s were far worse and were partly caused by tensions between the police and some black communities. This time, it is not indicative of any major social upheaval, but is simply a case of copycat riots being used as an excuse to loot and commit arson. All we need are a few days of rain and the little f*ckers will disappear.