Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

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    Aug 08, 2011 11:14 PM GMT
    In another topic, pouncer was pretending to condmen Hamas, but when called on it just couldn't do it:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?


    p> That's not the definition of "human shields", as Amnesty and HRW have tried, extensively, to make plain.

    Once again pouncer exposes his faux "principles" and how he'll twist anything:

    Summary:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    http://www.hrw.org/en/node/84867/section/7

    Firing Rockets from Populated Areas

    While fighting in urban areas is not prohibited under the laws of war, parties to a conflict are obligated to adopt measures to minimize the risk to the civilian population.[61] During the recent fighting and at other times, Palestinian armed groups have placed fellow Palestinians at grave risk of Israeli counter-attacks by firing rockets from within or near populated areas. In doing so, they violate the laws of war by failing to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing military targets within or near densely populated areas, to remove civilians under their control from the vicinity of military targets, and to protect civilians from the danger resulting from military operations

    In most of the following cases, Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas.

    ...The Palestinian fighters “fired from inside the walls of the compound. Then the helicopter fired back,” shooting a missile into the main building in the compound. By using the compound of the power authority for military purposes, the Palestinian forces were making the normally civilian structure a lawful military target and may have been placing the residents of nearby homes at unnecessary risk.

    According to the doctor, residents of the area felt endangered and angered by the militants’ use of their area as a launching site. Two weeks before the rocket hit his home, he said, “another rocket fell short, but the people where the rocket landed didn’t know the name of the person responsible, and I think they were too afraid to ask.” He and his neighbors “went to the political leaders in the area and complained, and later they gave me money to repair the windows, though not the damage inside the house.”[66] The authorities made no promises to stop the rocket fire, he added.

    As noted, parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    ...The International Crisis Group interviewed three Hamas fighters in January who said they “often fired [rockets] in close proximity to homes and from alleys, hoping that nearby civilians would deter Israel from responding”[68] -- indicating the intent to use civilians as shields.

    ...Firing rockets near school buildings or other normally civilian structures makes those buildings valid military targets, but would constitute a laws of war violation if civilians remained present, and shielding if the fighters deliberately used them to deter attacks.

    See also:
    http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/ioptqassam0809web.pdf
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    Aug 08, 2011 11:19 PM GMT
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    With that established, let me repeat the question:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?



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    Aug 09, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidSo with that established, let me repeat the question:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?



    This has been condemned over and again by all of us pro Paletinian folks against Zionist abuses.



    Do you condemn operation Cast Lead?

    - the Israeli Broken Bone Policy for boy stone throwers?

    - Israeli Snipers killing Palestinian children with a bullet to their heads, the Israeli killing of 1500 Palestinian children since the year 2000 ?(while approx 100 Israeli children have been killed (one is too many))

    - the murders of 9 on the peace flotilla a year ago this past may ? (for which your government right now is considering an apology and restitution to the family members and has for this reason held up the final report)





    DO YOU CONDEMN THIS ATROCITIES BY ISRAEL ? CAN YOU LIL'AIPAC GIVE A YES OR NO ANSWER ?


    are you ENTITLED to get answers but not answer any questions yourself ?


    You may think quite highly of your fanatic opinions and self appointed position of Zionist Propaganda Authority, but the rest of us not so much.
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    Aug 09, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas.

    ...Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?
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    Aug 09, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
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    Caesarea4 saidSo with that established, let me repeat the question:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?



    This has been condemned over and again by all of us pro Paletinian folks against Zionist abuses.



    Do you condemn operation Cast Lead?

    - the Israeli Broken Bone Policy for boy stone throwers?

    - Israeli Snipers killing Palestinian children with a bullet to their heads, the Israeli killing of 1500 Palestinian children since the year 2000 ?(while approx 100 Israeli children have been killed (one is too many))

    - the murders of 9 on the peace flotilla a year ago this past may ? (for which your government right now is considering an apology and restitution to the family members and has for this reason held up the final report)





    DO YOU CONDEMN THIS ATROCITIES BY ISRAEL ? CAN YOU LIL'AIPAC GIVE A YES OR NO ANSWER ?


    are you ENTITLED to get answers but not answer any questions yourself ?


    You may think quite highly of your fanatic opinions and self appointed position of Zionist Propaganda Authority, but the rest of us not so much.






    Answers to questions LIL'AIPAC ??? yours have been answered
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    Aug 09, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    "Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?"

    The whole question is loaded. If waging a war among civilian supporters constitutes "human shielding," then it cannot be condemned out of hand. Indeed, the American revolutionaries used these tactics during the war against the British. It's a basic principle of asymmetric warfare that you cannot face your enemy on their terms, and no competent military strategist would disagree.

    The question isn't about the tactics of this or that group: the relevant question is whether or not the struggle being waged is just, or unjust.

    Gaza is not some sort of open civilian area - it s a veritable camp maintained by the Israeli authorities. The Israeli prime minister declared that "no one should be able to sleep in the night in Gaza," making it clear that it is Israel's intent to use all methods of terror in its attempt to force Palestinian submission.

    Collective punishment is at the heart of the Israeli war strategy. In the West Bank and in Gaza, Israel regularly kidnaps and holds hostage relatives of its opponents. http://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k/Mena-07.htm

    In these circumstances of encampment/ghettoization, there can be no Palestinian resistance that is not from the people and among the people.
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    Aug 09, 2011 4:27 AM GMT
    HRW> Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas.

    terrorist apologist/supporter> he's now attempting to cover for them by changing his tune to "armed groups endangered civilians" (in other words - not necessarily Hamas

    The HRW report includes Hamas armed groups:

    In one case, a resident in northern Gaza City told Human Rights Watch that he and others had been on the roof of his building watching Israeli bombing raids on the first day of the Israeli assault. He said that around 5 p.m. “[w]e saw Hamas come and put up rocket launchers and fire. We could tell they were Grads by the sound, which is louder and deeper than that of Qassams.” According to the witness, the rockets were fired in a populated neighborhood near a well-known landmark, the al-Andalus tower.


    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets [as in the case above] amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?

    pouncer> [no]

    But why won't he explicitly say so?
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    Aug 09, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    Sartre said"Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?"

    The whole question is loaded. If waging a war among civilian supporters constitutes "human shielding," then it cannot be condemned out of hand. Indeed, the American revolutionaries used these tactics during the war against the British. It's a basic principle of asymmetric warfare that you cannot face your enemy on their terms, and no competent military strategist would disagree.

    The question isn't about the tactics of this or that group: the relevant question is whether or not the struggle being waged is just, or unjust.

    Gaza is not some sort of open civilian area - it s a veritable camp maintained by the Israeli authorities. The Israeli prime minister declared that "no one should be able to sleep in the night in Gaza," making it clear that it is Israel's intent to use all methods of terror in its attempt to force Palestinian submission.

    Collective punishment is at the heart of the Israeli war strategy. In the West Bank and in Gaza, Israel regularly kidnaps and holds hostage relatives of its opponents. http://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k/Mena-07.htm

    In these circumstances of encampment/ghettoization, there can be no Palestinian resistance that is not from the people and among the people.


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    Your sure got this right sartre



    LIL'AIPAC, you have questions above to answer that aren't loaded questions, so for a change be reasonable and try answering for a change.
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    Aug 09, 2011 12:50 PM GMT
    liar-for-the-cause> not evidence but an accusation - uncorroborated, unverified, and qualified by HRW themselves in the following way:

    HRW> in Tel el-Hawa
    HRW> In the preceding cases

    Yet in other cases, one provided above, the "accusation" was "corroborated" and "verified".
    Here's another such case:

    HRW> residents of the area shouted at Hamas fighters to prevent them from entering a garden immediately next to the building he lived in, apparently with the intention to use it to fire rockets. “I had already left [the area] but my neighbor, the grocery store owner, was watching and he called me to come back,” the witness said. “The Hamas guys had already cut the wires of the gate to break in. All the people got together and shouted at them to leave, told them the rockets were going to backfire on us. After that we came back every day to the garden for a few hours to prevent them from firing from it.”


    HRW> Deliberately using civilians [as in the cases above] to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?

    pouncer> [no]

    But why won't he explicitly say so?
    Why, instead, does he seek to misrepresent and twist what HRW - his own purported source (see OP) - says?
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    Caesarea4 saidSo with that established, let me repeat the question:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?



    This has been condemned over and again by all of us pro Paletinian folks against Zionist abuses.



    Do you condemn operation Cast Lead?

    - the Israeli Broken Bone Policy for boy stone throwers?

    - Israeli Snipers killing Palestinian children with a bullet to their heads, the Israeli killing of 1500 Palestinian children since the year 2000 ?(while approx 100 Israeli children have been killed (one is too many))

    - the murders of 9 on the peace flotilla a year ago this past may ? (for which your government right now is considering an apology and restitution to the family members and has for this reason held up the final report)





    DO YOU CONDEMN THIS ATROCITIES BY ISRAEL ? CAN YOU LIL'AIPAC GIVE A YES OR NO ANSWER ?


    are you ENTITLED to get answers but not answer any questions yourself ?


    You may think quite highly of your fanatic opinions and self appointed position of Zionist Propaganda Authority, but the rest of us not so much.






    Answers to questions LIL'AIPAC ??? yours have been answered






    LIL'AIPAC !!! Where are your answers to the above questions ?
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    Aug 10, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    Yes, you are both delusional and lying for the cause - as well as a walking case of cognitive dissonance.
    Because in a few cases HRW did not corroborate/verify this (as you selectively quoted) does not remove the cases where it did:

    HRW> the [Hamas] rockets were fired in a populated neighborhood near a well-known landmark

    HRW> Belligerents are prohibited from using civilians to shield military objectives or operations from attack. "Shielding" refers to purposefully using the presence of civilians to render military forces or areas immune from attack.

    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets [as in the case above] amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    The only perplexing question is why pouncer pretends to condem Hamas (elsewhere, of course), when in reality he is constantly seen serving as their apologist and openly supporting and embracing them. To the point of accusing other "armed groups" of what Hamas has been implicated, as if thus to give Hamas safe harbor while it is only their terrorist colleagues who are guilty of the egregious war crimes which HRW nonetheless cites Hamas.


    Consider further pouncer's mental dysfunction:
    He condemns Israel for "supporting" bona fide non-violent Islamic charities that preceeded Hamas.
    Charities that were caring for the people of Gaza which the well-funded PLO couldn't be bothered to do.
    The PLO being too busy terrorizing Israel and southern Lebanon at that time.
    Yet when those Islamicst go Jihadist and start attacking innocent Israeli civilians - then he supports them?
    Despite the fact that they then repress their own people?
    Is it any surprise that now, when the PLO is engaged in negotiations with Israel, he considers them traitors?

    It's clear that pouncer hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for the welfare of the Palestinian Arabs.

    Despite pouncer's pathetic and selective appeal to faux "principles", does anyone believe that there is anything deeper motivating pouncer than hate and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
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    realifedad said
    realifedad said
    Caesarea4 saidSo with that established, let me repeat the question:

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
    Yes or No?



    This has been condemned over and again by all of us pro Paletinian folks against Zionist abuses.



    Do you condemn operation Cast Lead?

    - the Israeli Broken Bone Policy for boy stone throwers?

    - Israeli Snipers killing Palestinian children with a bullet to their heads, the Israeli killing of 1500 Palestinian children since the year 2000 ?(while approx 100 Israeli children have been killed (one is too many))

    - the murders of 9 on the peace flotilla a year ago this past may ? (for which your government right now is considering an apology and restitution to the family members and has for this reason held up the final report)





    DO YOU CONDEMN THIS ATROCITIES BY ISRAEL ? CAN YOU LIL'AIPAC GIVE A YES OR NO ANSWER ?


    are you ENTITLED to get answers but not answer any questions yourself ?


    You may think quite highly of your fanatic opinions and self appointed position of Zionist Propaganda Authority, but the rest of us not so much.






    Answers to questions LIL'AIPAC ??? yours have been answered






    LIL'AIPAC !!! Where are your answers to the above questions ?




    Still avoiding answering questions and calling names that better apply to yourself LIL'AIPAC, Come on, show your reasonable side and answer the questions , We are waiting, ?????
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    Aug 11, 2011 3:24 AM GMT
    As if anyone still bothering to read pouncer's idiotic drivel isn't familiar with how he'll twist anything:

    C4> Because in a few cases HRW did not corroborate/verify this (as you selectively quoted) does not remove the cases where it did:

    p> "In the preceding cases...."

    But what about the other cases which HRW then goes on to discuss?!

    Once again we see pouncer's base dishonesty (or stupidity) and how he selectively mines data, ignoring inconvenient facts that would shatter his "model" (and world-view) were it scientific.
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    Aug 11, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite]As if anyone still bothering to read LIL'AIPAC'S idiotic drivel isn't familiar with how he'll twist anything:

    LIL'AIPAC

    Once again we see base dishonesty (or stupidity) and how he selectively mines data, ignoring inconvenient facts that would shatter his "model" (and world-view) were it scientific.
    [/quote




    You have questions that a reasonable conversant would answer, Is there a reason you cannot answer questions LIL'AIPAC ?
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    Aug 11, 2011 7:54 AM GMT
    But what about the other cases which HRW then goes on to discuss?!

    p> The two "other cases that HRW then goes on to discuss" are Hamas interviews with the International Crisis Group, and YouTube videos provided by the Israeli government. Both cases don't meet anything like a respectable standard of evidence - as HRW makes clear.

    So what should intelligent people make of these two cases?

    In most of the following cases, Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas.

    In one case, a resident in northern Gaza City told Human Rights Watch that he and others had been on the roof of his building watching Israeli bombing raids on the first day of the Israeli assault. He said that around 5 p.m. “[w]e saw Hamas come and put up rocket launchers and fire. We could tell they were Grads by the sound, which is louder and deeper than that of Qassams.” According to the witness, the rockets were fired in a populated neighborhood

    ...The witness also said that, in a second incident on January 1, residents of the area shouted at Hamas fighters to prevent them from entering a garden immediately next to the building he lived in, apparently with the intention to use it to fire rockets. “I had already left [the area] but my neighbor, the grocery store owner, was watching and he called me to come back,” the witness said. “The Hamas guys had already cut the wires of the gate to break in. All the people got together and shouted at them to leave, told them the rockets were going to backfire on us.

    These cases have nothing to do with the "International Crisis Group" or "YouTube videos".
    Note the usual reversal of the scientific method:
    All that is needed for pouncer to dismiss the ICG is that they were critical of Hamas.

    How dishonest (or retarded?) must one be to attempt to divert from these cases (which I already quoted above) while dishonestly (or retardedly?) claiming that someone else is misrepresenting the source?!

    There we have pouncer in a nut-shell. Which is why, aside from some mentally disabled partisans, few bother to even read what pouncer posts and no one takes him seriously.
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    Aug 11, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
    ROTFL. The dishonest ignorant idiot for the cause blows off again.

    Let's see what else the HRW report states:

    HRW> Palestinian rocket attacks – which have killed three Israeli civilians and wounded dozens of others since November – are an ongoing threat to the nearly 800,000 Israeli civilians who live and work in range of the rockets. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have sought to justify the attacks as appropriate reprisals for Israeli military operations and the ongoing blockade against Gaza, and as a lawful response to the Israeli occupation of Gaza. As noted below, international humanitarian law (the “laws of war”) does not support these asserted justifications.

    Yet pouncer, despite his puerile attempts to wrap himself in the faux "principle" of "international humanitarian law", can't bring himself to condemn such blatantly illegal attacks on Israeli civilians?


    HRW> Under international humanitarian law applicable to the fighting between Palestinian armed groups and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), such weapons are inherently indiscriminate when directed towards densely populated areas. The absence of Israeli military forces in the areas struck by the rockets, as well as statements from the leaders of Hamas and other armed groups, indicate that many of these attacks are deliberately intended to strike Israeli civilians and civilian structures. Individuals who willfully authorize or carry out deliberate or indiscriminate attacks against civilians are committing war crimes.

    HRW> Hamas... has taken no apparent action [as required by international law] to prosecute or otherwise hold accountable Hamas forces or other Palestinian armed groups for launching unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli civilian areas.

    Indeed, HRW goes on to call on "UN member states" to "press for the use of international prosecutions" should Hamas continue to fail in the above-mentioned obligation!

    Yet pouncer, who wraps himself in the faux "principle" of such "prosecutions" (except when it's his terrorists), can't bring himself to condemn Hamas for not holding its forces (and leaders) accountable for "committing war crimes"?!


    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas. In doing so, they failed to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing military targets within densely populated areas, such as by removing civilians under their control from the vicinity of military targets, and protecting civilians from the danger resulting from military operations.

    Yet pouncer is in delusional denial that HRW has corroborated and verified any such cases?
    (With the childish reasoning that in some cases - unlike others - there was insufficient evidence to prove this?)

    Worse yet, pouncer won't condemn Hamas placing its own civilian population in harms way, firing from behind them, and thus using them as human shields?!


    HRW> Recommendations to Hamas

    HRW> Cease all rocket attacks that target civilians or are fired into civilian areas with rockets that cannot discriminate between military objectives and civilians;

    HRW> Cease conducting attacks from locations near populated areas in Gaza in violation of international humanitarian law requiring all feasible precautions to protect civilians from the effects of attacks, and avoid locating military objectives in densely populated areas;

    Will pouncer concur with these recommendations to Hamas or turn on his own expert source...?
    (Or will he divert with his usual endless nonsense?)
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    Aug 11, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    realifedad said[quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite]As if anyone still bothering to read LIL'AIPAC'S idiotic drivel isn't familiar with how he'll twist anything:

    LIL'AIPAC

    Once again we see base dishonesty (or stupidity) and how he selectively mines data, ignoring inconvenient facts that would shatter his "model" (and world-view) were it scientific.
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    You have questions that a reasonable conversant would answer, Is there a reason you cannot answer questions LIL'AIPAC ?




    Hey LIL'AIPAC, you have questions to answer, are you afraid of answering those questions ?
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    Aug 12, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    There goes the delusional pouncer, in complete denial of what his own expert source - HRW - says.

    Will pouncer concur with these recommendations to Hamas or turn on his own expert source...?
    (Or will he divert with his usual endless nonsense?)


    p> I was talking about the Gaza War (the OP article is dated January 2009)

    Yes, that was the criticism. That you were talking about a few cases were this was not confirmed while ignoring the body of evidence in other cases.

    The incompetent one can't even get the date of the HRW report right, it is August, 2009.
    Is he now lying about the date to weasel out of his previous errors/lies?

    Here is what the HRW report states:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    Having been shown completely wrong, you'd think pouncer would apologize for his mistake and concede the point of the topic:

    Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

    Unable to engage such maturity or honesty, he attempts to hijack the topic with his spam propaganda diversions.
    (So predictable!)


    Given that we've established that Hamas and other Palestinian Arab terrorist groups have - "frequently" - "violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas", i.e. "deliberately using civilians" as "human shield[s]", can pouncer bring himself to condemn this long-running practice? Or will he persist with his petty diversions or attempt to give us another of his patheting natterings of nonsense to beat around the bush?

    Do you condemn Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians from densely populated Gaza - using 1.5 million Gazans as human shields?
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    realifedad said[quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite]As if anyone still bothering to read LIL'AIPAC'S idiotic drivel isn't familiar with how he'll twist anything:

    LIL'AIPAC

    Once again we see base dishonesty (or stupidity) and how he selectively mines data, ignoring inconvenient facts that would shatter his "model" (and world-view) were it scientific.
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    You have questions that a reasonable conversant would answer, Is there a reason you cannot answer questions LIL'AIPAC ?




    Hey LIL'AIPAC, you have questions to answer, are you afraid of answering those questions ?




    LIL'AIPAC, the questions are waiting to be answered ?
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    Aug 12, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    The trollish idiot strikes again, imperviously ignorant of what he seeks to discuss:

    HRW> "Human Rights Watch researchers did not find any cases where Hamas or other armed groups forced civilians to remain in areas in close proximity to rocket launching sites".

    Which is completely irrelevant to the point.

    The fact that they were firing from residential areas with civilians present is already using them as human shields.
    As HRW clearly states in the report:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    Why is it that pouncer can't bring himself to condemn this, instead lying, twisting and diverting?

    Is it because he is a terrorist apologist and supporter?
    Or because he is a vile racist who hates Israelis/Jews more than he cares for Gazans?
    Or because he's an all around shitty excuse for a human being?

    If you answered "yes" to all 3, you're right!
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    LIL'AIPAC ====The trollish idiot strikes again, imperviously ignorant of what he seeks to discuss:




    Why is it that LIL'AIPAC can't bring himself to answer questions, instead lying, twisting and diverting?

    Is it because he is a ZIONIST apologist and supporter?
    Or because he is a vile racist who hates Palestinians more than he cares for Israeli peace?
    Or because he's an all around shitty excuse for a human being?

    If you answered "yes" to all 3, you're right!
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    LIL'AIPAC, answer the questions
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    Aug 13, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    On and on he babbles, seeking to bury this truth under the rug:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.



    Why is it that pouncer can't bring himself to condemn this, instead lying, twisting and diverting?

    Is it because he is a terrorist apologist and supporter?
    Or because he is a vile racist who hates Israelis/Jews more than he cares for Gazans?
    Or because he's an all around shitty excuse for a human being?

    If you answered "yes" to all 3, you're right!
    Which explains why most people on RJ already have him on ignore.
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    Aug 13, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> parties to a conflict violate the laws of war when they fail to take all feasible precautions to avoid placing forces, weapons, and ammunition within or near densely populated areas. Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    Now we well know that pouncer, a notorious anti-semite who hates not just Israel (the Jewish state) and all things Jewish (religion, language, culture....), hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for Gazans. So it's not at all surprising that he's willing to have Hamas sacrifice Gazans if it means inconveniencing Israel/Jews. Yet how odd is is that sxydrkhair, himself a Palestinian Arab, also hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for his own brethren in Gaza?

    I suppose anyone who's seen how they hate Israel/Jews more than they care for gay Palestinian Arabs won't be surprised.

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    Aug 13, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    The truth value of both C1 and C2 are FALSE.
    Firing a rocket near a populated building puts those people in harms way and makes them human shields to deter retaliatory fire.
    If they are willing (which was not the case in two instances cited by Hamas) is irrelevant.
    If they didn't have time to get out and weren't held there at gun-point is irrelevant.
    We've seen Saddam Hussein and Qaddafi use "volunteer" human shields.


    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas. ...Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.





    Hamas MP Fathi Hammad> We used women and children as human shields.

    pouncer> [waves of nonsense, lies and diversions]

    And he wonders why most people on RJ agree with jprichva that he's an all around sorry excuse for a human being?
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    Aug 13, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidThat guy is so cute










    sxydrkhair, have you noticed the desperation that LIL'AIPAC shows in his name calling and one sided way that he approaches this subject, never making any admisstions to wrong doing from the ZIONIST AGRESSORS who are the ones imprisoning the Gazans and taking land for Settlements as well as fencing in large areas of the West Bank, all acts that are anything but Democratic.

    Note too that LIL'AIPAC never acknowleges or answers any questions about those ZIONIST ATROCITIES, all the while claiming for Israel the position of Victim yet the facts show that while around 1100 Israeli's have died since 2000, in that same period the ZIONIST IDF forces and settlers have killed around 6000 of the Palestinians.


    LIL'AIPAC uses the ZIONIST PROPAGANDA and American AIPAC tactic of lieing and making accusations first and very loudly and frequently repeated, ingnoring and covering any news of their own faults and misdeeds that more often than not precede Palestinian retaliation.


    LIL'AIPAC might should answer who is 'shittier as a human being' ? those who cover truth up as he does to deceive, or someone like you, pouncer and I who seek to expose the truth?


    LIL'AIPAC you have questions to answer !!!