NY Times Opinion Piece on Obama - interesting perspective from a practicing psychologist and probable liberal

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    Aug 09, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/what-happened-to-obamas-passion.html

    ...Like most Americans, at this point, I have no idea what Barack Obama — and by extension the party he leads — believes on virtually any issue.

    ...The real conundrum is why the president seems so compelled to take both sides of every issue, encouraging voters to project whatever they want on him, and hoping they won’t realize which hand is holding the rabbit. That a large section of the country views him as a socialist while many in his own party are concluding that he does not share their values speaks volumes — but not the volumes his advisers are selling: that if you make both the right and left mad, you must be doing something right.

    ...As a practicing psychologist with more than 25 years of experience, I will resist the temptation to diagnose at a distance, but as a scientist and strategic consultant I will venture some hypotheses.

    The most charitable explanation is that he and his advisers have succumbed to a view of electoral success to which many Democrats succumb — that “centrist” voters like “centrist” politicians. Unfortunately, reality is more complicated. Centrist voters prefer honest politicians who help them solve their problems. A second possibility is that he is simply not up to the task by virtue of his lack of experience and a character defect that might not have been so debilitating at some other time in history. Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he had voted "present" (instead of "yea" or "nay") 130 times, sometimes dodging difficult issues.

    A somewhat less charitable explanation is that we are a nation that is being held hostage not just by an extremist Republican Party but also by a president who either does not know what he believes or is willing to take whatever position he thinks will lead to his re-election. Perhaps those of us who were so enthralled with the magnificent story he told in “Dreams From My Father” appended a chapter at the end that wasn’t there — the chapter in which he resolves his identity and comes to know who he is and what he believes in.
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    Aug 09, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    where do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?
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    Aug 09, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?

    Was an inference on my part. Hence the term, "probable". Specifically, last paragraph on second page starting with "In contrast" suggested to me a liberal perspective.
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    Aug 09, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
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    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?

    Was an inference on my part. Hence the term, "probable". Specifically, last paragraph on second page starting with "In contrast" suggested to me a liberal perspective.


    The article was carefully neutral; your headline added "liberal" (to suggest criticism from someone likely to be favourable to the President, thus some form of triumphant "See!"

    Absent bias- you projected it yourself.

    This is the narrative of right wing "victimhood".

    Media that presents fact and not opinion are accused of "liberal bias" by the extreme right.

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    Aug 09, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
    To Canadians, there is nothing wrong with trying to see both sides and govern from both sides.

    Politics is not win or lose. It is the Art of the Possible.

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    Aug 09, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?

    Was an inference on my part. Hence the term, "probable". Specifically, last paragraph on second page starting with "In contrast" suggested to me a liberal perspective.


    The article was carefully neutral; your headline added "liberal" (to suggest criticism from someone likely to be favourable to the President, thus some form of triumphant "See!"

    Absent bias- you projected it yourself.

    This is the narrative of right wing "victimhood".

    Media that presents fact and not opinion are accused of "liberal bias" by the extreme right.


    Victimhood your concoction. To me it was clear that the writer was generally sympathetic to the goals and ideology of the administration, but disappointed in the attempted implementation. Perhaps your foreign perspective is different, considering liberal perspectives to be neutral. Happens with our domestic liberals as well.
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    Aug 10, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?

    Was an inference on my part. Hence the term, "probable". Specifically, last paragraph on second page starting with "In contrast" suggested to me a liberal perspective.


    " Perhaps those of us who were so enthralled with the magnificent story "

    You have to be a liberal to believe that "Dreams of My Father" was a magnificent story.
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    Aug 10, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?





    This opinion piece has been thoroughly discredited for containing numerous falsehoods.
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93323/drew-westens-nonsense
    http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2011/08/lover-of-fairy-tales-casts-obama-as.html#more

    But, the one thing socal is correct about is that the author is a liberal.
    In fact, he is a FAR left liberal.

    This flawed and factually inaccurate criticism of the President is from the far left point of view.
    The author airs some of the irrational and extreme views of the far left.

    Isn't it a laugh that socal hates our President so much that he not only posts factually inaccurate BS from the right - he also posts factually inaccurate BS from the far left!

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    Aug 10, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
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    Upper_Canadian saidwhere do you find the "probable liberal" part of your headline?


    This opinion piece has been thoroughly discredited for containing numerous falsehoods.
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93323/drew-westens-nonsense
    http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2011/08/lover-of-fairy-tales-casts-obama-as.html#more

    But, the one thing socal is correct about is that the author is a liberal.
    In fact, he is a FAR left liberal.

    This flawed and factually inaccurate criticism of the President is from the far left point of view.
    The author airs some of the irrational and extreme views of the far left.

    Isn't it a laugh that socal hates our President so much that he not only posts factually inaccurate BS from the right - he also posts factually inaccurate BS from the far left!

    Thank you rickrick for supporting my point. And you also support a point I have made in response others that I only watch Fox, when, in fact, I get sources even from far left liberals in of all papers, the New York Times. Thanks again. icon_biggrin.gif