The rich are different — and not in a good way, studies suggest. The 'Haves' show less empathy than 'Have Nots"

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    Aug 10, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    It would appear the rich, and their sycophants here, just wanna screw the rest of us over. Not really news, but here's an academic study:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44084236/ns/health-behavior/#.TkLFCWbyCy4
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    Aug 10, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    Nothing like a reliable source like MSNBC to make a point. The rich people they claim want to "screw the rest of us" are also the same people who make millions, probably even billions, in charitable contributions every year that include scholarships to major universities, and fights against AIDS, Cancer, and other diseases. Just because someone has a larger income doesn't necessarily make them a bad or selfish person. Come to think of it...I know quite a few angry, mean, and selfish lower income people. So, what exactly is your point?
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    Aug 10, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    Bill Gates and least a few dozen other billionaires from western countries have all pledged to give away half of their fortunes. This evil greedy selfishness coming from the "top" that you hear about is a bunch of bullocks.

    Good luck trying to get the Saudi kings and princes or billionaire's in Asia to be that generous!
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 10, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
    The rich only look after number one?It can`t be true......?
    My experience of meeting rich,middle income,low income,and poor people is the the lower the income,the more they give,proportionally.I`ve also found they are more sympatheic (and less self centred) towards their fellows than the better off.They seem to have a more well developed sense/culture of giving/helping.
    The worst are the self made rich,insecure,vain,and hyper-egotistical.
    It seems that one of the unintended consequences of the growing affluence in society is the drying up of human sympathy.
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    Aug 10, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    The whole topic is part of the Democratic strategy for 2012. The administration cannot run on any significant accomplishments or demonstrations of competence, so all they can do is go negative. In addition to vilifying all opposition candidates, they will emphasize all their divisive themes, class warfare being one of them.
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    Aug 10, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
    This coming from an elitist from the far left; giggles. A person who spent most of his life looking down his nose at us homosexuals because he felt he was better. Denial of the truth must be bliss for some people.
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    Aug 10, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    MSNBC's description of the research departs quite dramatically from even the press release, and extrapolates beyond the limits of the study.

    http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/social-class-as-culture.html

    I would say this is a classic example of poor reporting of academic work.
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    Aug 10, 2011 7:45 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidMSNBC's description of the research departs quite dramatically from even the press release, and extrapolates beyond the limits of the study.

    http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/social-class-as-culture.html

    I would say this is a classic example of poor reporting of academic work.


    From your own source:

    One implication of this, Keltner says, is that’s unreasonable to structure a society on the hope that rich people will help those less fortunate. “One clear policy implication is, the idea of nobless oblige or trickle-down economics, certain versions of it, is bull,” Keltner says. “Our data say you cannot rely on the wealthy to give back. The ‘thousand points of light’—this rise of compassion in the wealthy to fix all the problems of society—is improbable, psychologically.”
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 10, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    Interesting that the definition of 'empathy' in this debate seems mostly about economics and money.
    The cultural aspects of the poor`s 'pro-social' thinking/feeling and the rich`s 'individualist/selfish' ways are just as pertinent.
    Many studies in Great Britain have revealed the same truth about the rich`s psychology/sociology;going back to at least the 1920s.
    Seems to me the rich always have waged 'class war' on the poor.They just have other names for it.
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    Aug 10, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    pattison said...Denial of the truth must be bliss for some peole.



    ahhhh....the irony
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    Aug 11, 2011 9:12 AM GMT
    rnch said
    pattison said...Denial of the truth must be bliss for some peole.



    ahhhh....the irony


    Whats the irony; pray tell.

    So my typing is like shite, and my spelling can be too, but this does not prevent one from being smart, or successful, and I do get to live a blessed privliged life, with a man I have spent over 20 years withicon_wink.gifBut there are many dumb people here who can spell and type wellicon_wink.gif

    But my life has never been a lie, nor have I ever been in denial about my sexuality, and looked down on homosexuals as being dirty, and baneth me, as the OP has.

    I have witnessed the OPs story change immensely over the years, from a guy who never knew he was bisexual, and also attacked to men. But one day he just become gay; now we know this never happens. To a guy admitting he feared homosexuals because they were beneath him, and his such high standards; snob. To a guy who lived in denial. But was always gayicon_rolleyes.gif Over looking the fact gay men do not have wives or children. bisexual men do. This is also a guy who had to have a full orchestra at his "first" wedding; pretentus.

    But a man who loves the Republican lifestyle, and status is everything to him. Yet he goes and bashers the rich.

    I am a poof who has always lived my life as a poof, and was at the front line of advancement for homosexuals of my country, then stood by the gay community during the gay plauge era when so many people like the OP did nothing. No it was my generation who help it be safe for him to come out.

    So pray tell, whats the irony?
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    Aug 11, 2011 2:33 PM GMT
    Great study. Points out what we already know. Rich Republicans are greedy and selfish. Who woulda thunk it?

    It would be like pointing out that gay conservatives are self loathing..SHOCKING!! icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 12, 2011 4:27 AM GMT
    rnch said
    pattison said...Denial of the truth must be bliss for some people.

    ahhhh....the irony

    Indeed. You & I have spoken on the phone, you know me a little. This pattison person invents stuff about me.

    But just for the record:
    - I am not bisexual
    - My personal story does not change
    - Guys do suddenly discover they are gay, my story posted here as a guide for others, who have related a similar experience
    - Rather than hurting gays, or "fearing" them (another new fantasy from him), I was a strong protector of gays as a senior Officer in the US Army, even before I came out myself
    - He "stands by" the gay community, whereas my partner & I are leaders in the gay community, organizers, and donate many thousands of dollars to gay and HIV/AIDS causes annually. I hear no such claims from pattison, nor would I be likely to believe them
    - What exactly is the "Republican lifestyle" I follow? Would an Australian know what that is? I'm not sure I do myself -- do you? Other than Republicans exploiting the poor for personal gain, pillaging corporations, political bribes & corruption, election fraud, intellectual dishonesty, hypocritical morality, religious fanaticism, hatred of gays, I would be at a loss to know how that applies to me
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
    I worked for an architectural firm in NYC for about 10 years working on Park and Fifth Ave. apartments and Hamptons homes of the ultra rich.

    I can tell you that in my experience the rich are very different than the rest of us.
    And they hate having anything to do with anyone who isn't as rich as they are.

    Most of them don't even like to make eye contact with anyone who they don't know to be "on their level" financially.

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    Aug 12, 2011 7:13 AM GMT
    rnch said
    pattison said...Denial of the truth must be bliss for some peole.



    ahhhh....the irony


    Oh it was Red Vesper who came to my attention, with his personal attacks of one many years ago. I resented some bisexuals trying to repress me a Gold Card Gay, the real thing, and not some cheap impostor, trying to repress me on gay issues and trying to have me removed from a site for gay men when he is not one of us, and after all the damage he had done, but closed his eyes to it because he did not like the truth of the damage he created, now he calls it denial.

    He is no better than the republicans he beholds so much contempt for, but they may look down on him for being dirty, as he did us.
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    Aug 12, 2011 7:17 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNothing like a reliable source like MSNBC to make a point. The rich people they claim want to "screw the rest of us" are also the same people who make millions, probably even billions, in charitable contributions every year that include scholarships to major universities, and fights against AIDS, Cancer, and other diseases. Just because someone has a larger income doesn't necessarily make them a bad or selfish person. Come to think of it...I know quite a few angry, mean, and selfish lower income people. So, what exactly is your point?


    A lot of that is for image...