"Unions lose big in Wisconsin"

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    Aug 10, 2011 11:04 PM GMT
    It is unfortunate that there are those for whom no results would be "legitimate" unless they happened to coincide with ones they agreed with politically. It is also useful to remember that $30 million was spent in union dues for these results.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/unions-lose-big-wisconsin

    An energized Democratic base was supposed to turn out yesterday. It was supposed to pry away from Republicans their total control of Wisconsin's state legislature. Republicans had gone after the state's public employee unions, and this was supposed to be an overreach that would cost them dearly in yesterday's recall elections. If Democrats could pick up three of the six seats under recall, they could win back the state Senate and block Gov. Scott Walker's agenda.

    Every Republican I spoke to before the election expressed pessimism. The expectations were clearly in favor of a Democratic takeover -- so much so that Republicans in Wisconsin's legislature took the extraordinary step of passing an early redistricting bill.

    And then...it just didn't work out the way the unions had hoped.

    In the end, the union-backed Democrats picked up only two state Senate seats in Wisconsin last night, at a staggering cost in time, effort, and of course money. One of the seats was solidly Democratic, held by a Republican due to an apparent fluke of nature. The other was held by an alleged adulterer who had moved outside his district to live with his young mistress, and whose wife was supporting his recall.

    As for the other four Republican incumbents the unions tried to recall, they didn't end up coming very close. And remember -- these weren't just any Republican incumbents. These were the ones that the unions judged most vulnerable, which is why they collected petition signatures against them.

    How did Republicans hold out? It hasn't hurt that Walker's reforms have dramatically helped school districts within the state save millions of dollars by abolishing the main Wisconsin teachers' union's insurance racket. Nor does it hurt that Wisconsin, under the business-friendly leadership of Walker and a Republican state legislature, created more than half of the jobs created in the United States during the month of June.

    To be sure, yesterday's contests offered few lessons for 2012, as far as the status of swing-state Wisconsin is concerned. But at the state level, and on the level of ideas, yesterday's elections have deep meaning. And with two Democrats in the state Senate facing recalls next week -- perhaps one is genuinely vulnerable -- we may have seen the unions' high political tide, especially if Walker's reforms really do weaken their clout.

    "The people" were supposed to be on the side of the unions who protested at the state capitol when Walker's bill passed, limiting the unions' collective bargaining privileges against taxpayers and school districts. But it turns out that "the people" had other ideas. In the end, even a massive infusion of cash and union volunteers was not enough to deliver the three state Senate recall races the unions needed, despite the fact that President Obama carried all six of the seats in question in 2008.

    This marks the unions' third huge defeat in Wisconsin this year. The other two were the passage of Walker's bill and the re-election of David Prosser to the state Supreme Court. The grand talk of recalling Walker himself next year seems a bit blustery now, given the great failure of last night.
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    Aug 11, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    Observation from Mickey Kaus:

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/10/unions-fail-again-in-wisconsin/

    Unions Lose Again in Wisconsin: It looks as if the organized labor movement has failed to recall enough Wisconsin Republicans to regain control of the state senate. That’s a) in an off-year election where union turnout usually makes the difference b) in famously progressive Wisconsin c) after spending many millions d) with a nationwide media and organizing push e) when labor had a galvanizing issue in Gov. Scott Walker’s direct assault on the institutional collective bargaining power of public employees, which led to a dramatic walkout by Democrats.
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    Aug 11, 2011 1:27 PM GMT
    The supposition is ridiculous. The Democrats took two seats from the Republicans and, if they maintain the two seats up next week, the Rs will have only a 17/16 majority. Most analysts are saying that will impede Walker's ability to move his agenda forward as there is one Republican who votes with Dems from time-to-time.

    So despite tens of millions in corporate money flowing into WI, the Democrats and unions were able to have an impact and, if they can do this, it's likely they can recall Walker.

    In terms of illegitimate results, Wakeshaw (sp?) County is a nightmare. The woman running that should be removed from office. While the Right likes to scream voter fraud, the reality is that most elections are being rigged through the voting machines, not by having fraudulent votes cast.
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    Aug 11, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    The clear goal of the Unions and Democrats was to take control. They FAILED plain and simple. They will always change the goal retroactively to try and claim victory. For example, hypothetically, if Obama is defeated in 2012 in a landslide losing popular vote 60% to 40%, the Democrats would state that despite the minor setback of losing the Presidency, they had been expected to lose 70% to 30% so the better showing proves that the country really prefers the progressive, left-wing agenda.
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    Aug 11, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThe supposition is ridiculous. The Democrats took two seats from the Republicans and, if they maintain the two seats up next week, the Rs will have only a 17/16 majority. Most analysts are saying that will impede Walker's ability to move his agenda forward as there is one Republican who votes with Dems from time-to-time.

    So despite tens of millions in corporate money flowing into WI, the Democrats and unions were able to have an impact and, if they can do this, it's likely they can recall Walker.

    In terms of illegitimate results, Wakeshaw (sp?) County is a nightmare. The woman running that should be removed from office. While the Right likes to scream voter fraud, the reality is that most elections are being rigged through the voting machines, not by having fraudulent votes cast.


    Given how the unions outspent and out organized the tea partiers - and were quite vocal and confident going into this, the results with polling to suggest that the Democrats will lose at least one of those two seats next week, this was an epic failure for the unions and their supporters and a triumph for common sense. It is also suggestive that they will not be able to recall Walker.

    Fraud through voting machines? While I would acknowledge that there needs to be better feedback that both can confirm the votes are recorded accurately and that a vote is a personal and secret one, this is well into the realm of tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
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    Aug 11, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThe supposition is ridiculous. The Democrats took two seats from the Republicans and, if they maintain the two seats up next week, the Rs will have only a 17/16 majority. Most analysts are saying that will impede Walker's ability to move his agenda forward as there is one Republican who votes with Dems from time-to-time.

    So despite tens of millions in corporate money flowing into WI, the Democrats and unions were able to have an impact and, if they can do this, it's likely they can recall Walker.

    In terms of illegitimate results, Wakeshaw (sp?) County is a nightmare. The woman running that should be removed from office. While the Right likes to scream voter fraud, the reality is that most elections are being rigged through the voting machines, not by having fraudulent votes cast.


    Given how the unions outspent and out organized the tea partiers - and were quite vocal and confident going into this, the results with polling to suggest that the Democrats will lose at least one of those two seats next week, this was an epic failure for the unions and their supporters and a triumph for common sense. It is also suggestive that they will not be able to recall Walker.

    Fraud through voting machines? While I would acknowledge that there needs to be better feedback that both can confirm the votes are recorded accurately and that a vote is a personal and secret one, this is well into the realm of tin foil hat conspiracy theories.


    Incorrect. While the tally has not been completely finalized yet, it appears that support for Republicans was "neck-in-neck" with support for Democrats.

    More concerning is that only $5 million was spent by the candidates themselves leaving the majority of the $37 million spent by "outside groups."

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/126838378.html

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-09/wisconsin-s-first-battle-of-2012-election-gets-record-spending.html

    As for the voting machines, Diebold alone was implicated in stealing elections throughout Ohio in 2004. Diebold you'll remember had a CEO who was a "Bush Pioneer". And numerous studies by MIT and other top institutions have proven how easy it is to rig these machines.

    And, of course, there's the old "I just found these 7,000 votes in my personal laptop" bullshit from the Prosser election. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 11, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe clear goal of the Unions and Democrats was to take control. They FAILED plain and simple. They will always change the goal retroactively to try and claim victory. For example, hypothetically, if Obama is defeated in 2012 in a landslide losing popular vote 60% to 40%, the Democrats would state that despite the minor setback of losing the Presidency, they had been expected to lose 70% to 30% so the better showing proves that the country really prefers the progressive, left-wing agenda.


    Incorrect as well. The Democrats always knew it would be an uphill battle, as all recalls are and they long ago said that they believed success in the three out of the six was the best they could hope for due to the demographics of the districts.
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    Aug 11, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidThe clear goal of the Unions and Democrats was to take control. They FAILED plain and simple. They will always change the goal retroactively to try and claim victory. For example, hypothetically, if Obama is defeated in 2012 in a landslide losing popular vote 60% to 40%, the Democrats would state that despite the minor setback of losing the Presidency, they had been expected to lose 70% to 30% so the better showing proves that the country really prefers the progressive, left-wing agenda.


    Incorrect as well. The Democrats always knew it would be an uphill battle, as all recalls are and they long ago said that they believed success in the three out of the six was the best they could hope for due to the demographics of the districts.



    What happened to the liberal lies we've read here about "Walker is toast!" and "The vast majority of people in Wisconsin hate the Republicans!" and such?

    If these lies were true, Tuesday's election would have been a trouncing of the Republicans.


    Again, you reveal your stunning lack of knowledge of politics.

    Walker "lost" two seats. If they Dems retain their two next week (and they are expected to) it will give mean the end of Walker's agenda. And come January Scottie himself will be recalled.
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    Aug 12, 2011 7:35 PM GMT
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/08/dear-wi-dems-please-keep-doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-while-expecting-different-results/

    Dear WI Dems, please keep doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results

    They just can’t help themselves. Despte throwing everything the had at it, the Wisconsin Democrat/Union coalition lost the Prosser/Kloppenburg statewide election, and then failed to pick up the three seats needed to take control of the state Senate. Having lost, Democrats declared victory.

    Democrats have convinced themselves that almost winning is the same as winning. It’s like Little League T-ball; every time Democrats lose in Wisconsin they give themselves a loud round of applause and a pat on the back because they tried.

    Yet the dream lives on, stoked in part by some wishy-washy analysis by Nate Silver, that Democrats can unseat Scott Walker in a recall election which would take place sometime early next year.[...]

    Walker will win the recall, but more important, it will set a nice stage for the 2012 presidential election with the relative good fortune of a business friendly conservative Republican administration in Wisconsin contrasted with the dismal performance of Obama and national Democrats.

    A victory by Walker after Democrats and the unions once again throw everything they have into the race will have another upside. It will set Walker up as a potential Vice Presidential nominee, someone from the heartland who has taken the necessary steps to turn his state around and who withstood the onslaught.