Having listened to the 'great' republican debate, is it just me or is this about the best time ever for a third party with some sanity to come forward ?

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    Aug 12, 2011 4:05 AM GMT
    Here's Romney on Corporations, "Corporations are people, my friend"




    Huntsman, "I was called a radical for embracing the Ryan Plan"




    Bachmann, On wages, "Literally if we took away the minimum wage... we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." (CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ONE)
    On climate, "there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows Carbon Dioxide is a harmful gas"



    Gingrich, on Voting, "Candidly, it wouldn't be bad to have an American History Test for young Americans before they start voting"


    Santorum, On education, "I opposed all these early starts, they want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate them."


    Apparently republicans think Bachmann came in first with a near tie from Romney and Gingrich came in 3rd

    This is scary, and with many dems being totally disgusted with Obama and his dems continuously losing more spine as time goes by, It seems to me that this is a great time for a third party to come forward. Anyone else believe its time ?
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    Aug 12, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
    realifedad said Here's Romney on Corporations, "Corporations are people, my friend"




    Huntsman, "I was called a radical for embracing the Ryan Plan"




    Bachmann, On wages, "Literally if we took away the minimum wage... we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." (CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ONE)
    On climate, "there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows Carbon Dioxide is a harmful gas"



    Gingrich, on Voting, "Candidly, it wouldn't be bad to have an American History Test for young Americans before they start voting"


    Santorum, On education, "I opposed all these early starts, they want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate them."


    Apparently republicans think Bachmann came in first with a near tie from Romney and Gingrich came in 3rd

    This is scary, and with many dems being totally disgusted with Obama and his dems continuously losing more spine as time goes by, It seems to me that this is a great time for a third party to come forward. Anyone else believe its time ?



    Viable 3rd party unless overwhelming would only serve to push one extreme in each party over the edge to victory. Further polarizing the situation.

    At this point would be sane members of the Democratic leadership pull a "Jimmy Carter" on Obama and ask for him not to run for re election.

    This act alone would be the biggest shot in the arm for the US economy beyond any tax cut or "jobs" project. Obama lost all trust with the Republicans on Capitol Hill, and most of his own party dislikes him and his handlers.


    Second advantage... A real conversation about what political direction is needed can take place.

    A new democratic candidate would shake up the Republican side and force a more centrist candidate.

    A ham sandwich could beat Obama now.

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    Aug 12, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
    musclmed saidViable 3rd party unless overwhelming would only serve to push one extreme in each party over the edge to victory. Further polarizing the situation.

    At this point would be sane members of the Democratic leadership pull a "Jimmy Carter" on Obama and ask for him not to run for re election.

    This act alone would be the biggest shot in the arm for the US economy beyond any tax cut or "jobs" project. Obama lost all trust with the Republicans on Capitol Hill, and most of his own party dislikes him and his handlers.


    Second advantage... A real conversation about what political direction is needed can take place.

    A new democratic candidate would shake up the Republican side and force a more centrist candidate.

    A ham sandwich could beat Obama now.



    Then the Republicans should run said Ham sandwich because it would be better than their field is now. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    musclmed saidAt this point would be sane members of the Democratic leadership pull a "Jimmy Carter" on Obama and ask for him not to run for re election.

    Except that Carter did run for reelection, and lost to Reagan. Virtually all modern US Presidents run for reelection, and Obama will be no different.

    He needs to be beaten in the Democratic primaries. I was a Hillary supporter the first time around, and I'd love to see her oppose him again. But I doubt that will happen.
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:32 AM GMT
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    musclmed saidAt this point would be sane members of the Democratic leadership pull a "Jimmy Carter" on Obama and ask for him not to run for re election.

    Except that Carter did run for reelection, and lost to Reagan. Virtually all modern US Presidents run for reelection, and Obama will be no different.

    He needs to be beaten in the Democratic primaries. I was a Hillary supporter the first time around, and I'd love to see her oppose him again. But I doubt that will happen.


    My mistake what I meant was referring to a Democratic bigwig who was retrospectively opining about the internal debate within the party at the time. And what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.



    It may have been one of Tip Oneil's aides, they were all pretty pissed at Carter for banning alcohol from the White House.

    Carter lost support with his base and the party with nearly similar circumstances as Obama has today.

    ( i was in 3rd grade btw)
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    Aug 12, 2011 8:29 AM GMT
    Is it bad that I think I would vote for Nixon over *any* of these idiots?
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    TigerTim saidIs it bad that I think I would vote for Nixon over *any* of these idiots?


    Nixon would be considered liberal compared to these guys. If my memory is correct he mentioned a universal health care.
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    musclmed said...( i was in 3rd grade btw)


    sounds like you still are in the 3rd grade.
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    TigerTim saidIs it bad that I think I would vote for Nixon over *any* of these idiots?


    Nixon would be considered liberal compared to these guys. If my memory is correct he mentioned a universal health care.



    ...and signed the Clean Air act into law.

    Nixon was a flawed human being (deeply paranoid) and he did some awful stuff as president, but he was more reasonable and effective at doing most of his presidential duties than any of the last few Repub presidents we've been saddled with.

    Given a choice between Nixon or any of the Repubs from today, I'd go with Nixon too.
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    Aug 12, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    I just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.
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    Aug 12, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    All the third party material just attached themselves to the Republican party because they know they won't win as a third party candidate.

    It will take years for a sucessful third party to emerge and attract a following. Eventually The Tea Party will morph into a third party (unfortunately).
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    Aug 13, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    What about someone like Russ Feingold, or Sanders of Vermont ? I'd bet they could get a following and pretty quick too.
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    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.
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    musclmed saidViable 3rd party unless overwhelming would only serve to push one extreme in each party over the edge to victory. Further polarizing the situation.

    At this point would be sane members of the Democratic leadership pull a "Jimmy Carter" on Obama and ask for him not to run for re election.

    This act alone would be the biggest shot in the arm for the US economy beyond any tax cut or "jobs" project. Obama lost all trust with the Republicans on Capitol Hill, and most of his own party dislikes him and his handlers.


    Second advantage... A real conversation about what political direction is needed can take place.

    A new democratic candidate would shake up the Republican side and force a more centrist candidate.

    A ham sandwich could beat Obama now.



    Then the Republicans should run said Ham sandwich because it would be better than their field is now. icon_lol.gif



    Hell, a ham sandwich minus the ham would be better than their current contenders!
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    Aug 13, 2011 2:29 AM GMT
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    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.


    SoCalFitness, you'll have to share with us sometime your thought process that led you to have such a poor opinion of President Obama.

    When did you first find yourself having these strong feelings of contempt for him?

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    socalfitness said
    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.


    SoCalFitness, you'll have to share with us sometime your thought process that led you to have such a poor opinion of President Obama.

    When did you first find yourself having these strong feelings of contempt for him?




    When he saw the (D) after Obama's name.
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    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.





    FYI - socal - we're not going to be going back in time and rerunning the 2008 election next year.

    President Obama will be running for reelection in 2012 with four years of experience as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
    Which is something the Repub nominee will definitely not have.
    President Obama will be the only one running with four years of experience at the job of being the president.

    So, that tired old right-wing talking point about what are Obama's "credentials" - is BULLSHIT.
    President Obama's "credentials" will far surpass the Repub nominee's "credentials".

    And, just to remind you - President Obama will be running for reelection as the president who got bin Laden.
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    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.


    FYI - socal - we're not going to be going back in time and rerunning the 2008 election next year.

    President Obama will be running for reelection in 2012 with four years of experience as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
    Which is something the Repub nominee will definitely not have.
    President Obama will be the only one running with four years of experience at the job of being the president.

    So, that tired old right-wing talking point about what are Obama's "credentials" - is BULLSHIT.
    President Obama's "credentials" will far surpass the Repub nominee's "credentials".

    And, just to remind you - President Obama will be running for reelection as the president who got bin Laden.

    I don't know about the 4 years experience, but the first 3 are pretty pathetic. His Bin Laden bounce was about 3 weeks, and many consider it was a no brainer decision. If we had failed, he still would have been given credit for trying, so nothing to him. Credit to the intel and military. His poll numbers are terrible, and nothing you can spin changes that.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:17 AM GMT
    socalfitness, I'd still love to know where this visceral resentment comes from?

    The tone of your writings sound so familiar to me. I grew up in The South so I am very aware of the "thinking" of the Anti-Cerebellum white Southern male of your age.

    Often I find that with older white males, there is an underlying sense of failure in their own lives which causes them to have a special resentment for a younger black man who has clearly accomplished more and educated himself better.

    It's such a shame. Wallowing in bitterness is one thing, but it is truly disgusting to see an older guy who should have a measure of wisdom spew this type of vitriol. It serves no purpose.....and it's the last thing our country needs while we face one crisis after another these days.

    I invite you to examine your bigotry and try to put aside the anger-----for the sake of patriotism, if nothing else.
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    socalfitness said
    Latenight30 saidI just don't think they have real credentials to do much of anything. If we did clear out (gosh wipe is the word I want to use) all these naysayers and wishy washy people what would they do.
    Seriously our government is like a huge reality show. Remember it's Americas vote, to vote them out. Vote them all out, vote them out every time.
    They are either spineless or total nut-jobs.

    We shouldn't compare with zero, but just for discussion, you appear to like Obama, right? What were his credentials? Community organizer, Illinois State Senate, voting mostly Present, half term freshman Senator, big absentee record while running for President, never had a business. If you compared any of the candidates with him, they could use him to mop the floor. But we do need to evaluate the candidates carefully. Being better than zero is not enough.


    FYI - socal - we're not going to be going back in time and rerunning the 2008 election next year.

    President Obama will be running for reelection in 2012 with four years of experience as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
    Which is something the Repub nominee will definitely not have.
    President Obama will be the only one running with four years of experience at the job of being the president.

    So, that tired old right-wing talking point about what are Obama's "credentials" - is BULLSHIT.
    President Obama's "credentials" will far surpass the Repub nominee's "credentials".

    And, just to remind you - President Obama will be running for reelection as the president who got bin Laden.

    I don't know about the 4 years experience, but the first 3 are pretty pathetic. His Bin Laden bounce was about 3 weeks, and many consider it was a no brainer decision. If we had failed, he still would have been given credit for trying, so nothing to him. Credit to the intel and military. His poll numbers are terrible, and nothing you can spin changes that.




    LOL!
    I don't have to "spin" anything.

    Obama got bin Laden.
    Bush failed to get bin Laden.
    Those are just the FACTS.
    There's no need for "spin".

    The BS you're trying to sell about Obama not deserving any credit for bin Laden's death - THAT'S SPIN.

    And Obama's poll numbers are right where Clinton's and Reagan's poll numbers were at this point in their presidencies.
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    PresentMind saidsocalfitness, I'd still love to know where this visceral resentment comes from?

    The tone of your writings sound so familiar to me. I grew up in The South so I am very aware of the "thinking" of the Anti-Cerebellum white Southern male of your age.

    Often I find that with older white males, there is an underlying sense of failure in their own lives which causes them to have a special resentment for a younger black man who has clearly accomplished more and educated himself better.

    It's such a shame. Wallowing in bitterness is one thing, but it is truly disgusting to see an older guy who should have a measure of wisdom spew this type of vitriol. It serves no purpose.....and it's the last thing our country needs while we face one crisis after another these days.

    I invite you to examine your bigotry and try to put aside the anger-----for the sake of patriotism, if nothing else.

    First of all, mentioning age and the racial aspect is very unfortunate. I don't know what your experience is in the south but you don't know me at all. I travel internationally, speak foreign languages, have close friends in other countries, and read and watch international media daily. I couldn't be further than the small town caricature of on old, white man you liked to use. Furthermore, I am very positive, go the gym, and often get hit on by guys much younger.

    I and many are very concerned because we believe his presidency is damaging this country and many people who are seeing their savings and investments tank. Aside from his policies and ideology, I see him as a dishonest person. Specifically about health care, he stated that the costs would not increase and repeatedly told people they could keep their current coverage if desired. At the time, many said otherwise, and he knew better but lied. Another personal failing is he cannot accept any blame. Always blaming others. Specifically, his 500 page budget proposal did not include any significant recommendation of his own debt commission. He did not take it seriously; he was playing games with it. It reflected both gamesmanship on his part, as well as a lack of leadership that so many on both sides are now finding obvious.

    My tone, unlike what you claim, does not reflect bitterness. I am disappointed, but the people made a choice, stupidly, and they are reaping their rewards. My disappointment is in their past vote, and the damage happening to the country. I am most interested in foreign policy and could go on about his many failures, such as with Russia and Iran, but that is a lengthier discussion than I care to go into.

    A friend of mine, who happens to be African-American, an attorney and passionate Republican, lamented after his election that things happen for a reason. I am fundamentally optimistic because I am becoming more convinced that he will be another Carter and it will be at least a generation before we see another of his politics in the White House. And BTW, I have voted for a number of Democrats in years not too far past. Not President, but Senator, Congressman, and Governor. Wonder if many of you can claim to have voted for any Republicans.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:35 AM GMT
    Missed this debate when it first aired. Am presently watching the re-run. What a motley crew of dim-wits and crackpots! Lord have mercy! I feel like I'm watching an episode of Hee Haw. I almost did a spit take when Santorum was blasting Iran for trampling on the rights of homosexuals. The only one who seems to have a grasp on logic, common sense and decency(although I don't totally agree with him on all issues) is Ron Paul.
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    Aug 13, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    socalfitness, you voted for McCain and SARAH PALIN !!!!!

    Sorry, but your claims to erudition and international awareness strike me as a tad absurd.

    You chose the Grumpy Old Man and SARAH F'ing PALIN. PUH-LEEZE!

    And what shape would be in today with their leadership????? And if they had dealt with the venom of your United Party of Hate!

    No Thanks. And as for Health Care Reform: The Ideas were REPUBLICAN----mandate and all.

    Indeed, Obama has presided as a Moderate Conservative. It is a sign of just how insane your party has become that you can take his positions, that have been traditionally conservative, and spin them as radically liberal.

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    PresentMind saidsocalfitness, you voted for McCain and SARAH PALIN !!!!!

    Sorry, but your claims to erudition and international awareness strike me as a tad absurd.

    You chose the Grumpy Old Man and SARAH F'ing PALIN. PUH-LEEZE!

    And what shape would be in today with their leadership????? And if they had dealt with the venom of your United Party of Hate!

    No Thanks. And as for Health Care Reform: The Ideas were REPUBLICAN----mandate and all.

    Indeed, Obama has presided as a Moderate Conservative. It is a sign of just how insane your party has become that you can take his positions, that have been traditionally conservative, and spin them as radically liberal.



    Moderate Conservative? Not unless you're extremely left wing. It is a sign of how out of touch and deluded you have to be to actually believe that Obama is a "Moderate Conservative" given the spending and policies.
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    PresentMind saidsocalfitness, you voted for McCain and SARAH PALIN !!!!!

    Sorry, but your claims to erudition and international awareness strike me as a tad absurd.

    You chose the Grumpy Old Man and SARAH F'ing PALIN. PUH-LEEZE!

    And what shape would be in today with their leadership????? And if they had dealt with the venom of your United Party of Hate!

    No Thanks. And as for Health Care Reform: The Ideas were REPUBLICAN----mandate and all.

    Indeed, Obama has presided as a Moderate Conservative. It is a sign of just how insane your party has become that you can take his positions, that have been traditionally conservative, and spin them as radically liberal.

    Moderate Conservative? Not unless you're extremely left wing. It is a sign of how out of touch and deluded you have to be to actually believe that Obama is a "Moderate Conservative" given the spending and policies.

    They are far left. It's been fun jostling with them, but has become pretty pointless. With the liberal positions tanking in the polls, they are becoming so much more absurd it is rather impossible even dealing with them. The time spent with these hard core liberals would be better spent in the fitness area and on other forums, if you know what I mean. icon_wink.gif