Rich Republicans Don't Understand: If They Don't Wise Up Quick, Scenes from England Will Come to America

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    Aug 12, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    I fear this is likely very true...

    AlternetOver in England, the elites are debating the causes of the widespread looting and property destruction that has been spreading throughout the country like a wildfire. Roving packs of young people from the underclass are breaking into high-end stores and taking whatever they want. They're robbing people in broad daylight with no concern that most of their actions are being captured by the ubiquitous cameras that film nearly every square-inch of England's cities. They're lighting cars and shops ablaze and then attacking the firefighters and police with projectiles.

    We know the spark that lit the match was the shooting death of a black man in the Tottenham section of North London, but that doesn't explain why people are rioting in South London and Nottingham and Birmingham and Manchester, and even in Glouchester. It's hard to come up with one single answer. First of all, the same thing has been happening right here in Philadelphia all year long. It's just on a smaller scale. For example, this is from late June.

    UPPER DARBY — A mob of about 40 people stormed into the Sears department store on 69th Street Thursday, and in a flash stole thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, officials said.

    Police were able to round up 15 juveniles and one adult, 19, all from West Philadelphia.

    “They came in on the El train and hit Sears,” police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said. “They stole sneakers, socks, watches, whatever they could get their hands on, and left."

    I think these girls have as good an explanation as you're going to find. Having looted alcohol from a local shop, they calmly explained to a BBC reporter that the riots were all about showing the rich, the government, and the police that they could do whatever they want. When asked why they were destroying their own community, they said they were attacking the shop owners and people with money. And they thought the whole enterprise was a great deal of fun.

    Sometimes people say that there is no real left-wing in America, and that's kind of true in Britain, too. But we dohave a left-wing. It's just a left-wing designed to kill the seductive power of communism and to build a bulwark against anarchism. Different countries chose different ways of responding to the economic catastrophes of the 1920's and 1930's. The Russians became totalitarian. Europe succumbed to fascism. We chose a New Deal. It was a middle road. It provided a safety net and tolerable working conditions. It created a huge middle class. It didn't arouse the far right or far left instincts of the nation, but put them into sleep mode.

    Now we're back to 1920's level of income disparity. Conservatives are attacking every aspect of the New Deal. What rich people seem to be forgetting is that the opposite of the New Deal is not some idyllic paradise of free-market bliss. The opposite is rampaging mobs who light shit on fire just to show you that they can do whatever they want. Eventually, that can include burning down your business or your house, or, maybe, even taking your life.

    And it's not just income disparity that's a problem. Consider how this all started. A bunch of smart people set up a kind of scam using complex financial instruments that no one can understand. They got rich beyond all imagination, while the rest of us lost our jobs, lost our retirement money, lost, in some cases, our homes. And then we were told that there was no money for our cops, no money for our firefighters, our nurses, our teachers. And next we'll be told that our Social Security check will be smaller and we'll have to wait another year or two to get our Medicare. Meanwhile, the rich, represented ably by the Republicans, refuse to pay one dime in extra taxes.

    With that kind of attitude and that lack of accountability, it's not hard to see why some people might start losing hope and might start losing respect for "the system." If the rich don't wise up quick, the scenes from England will be coming to America. Bet on it.
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:14 AM GMT
    This thread would be more appropriately titled: Poor democrats don't understand: If they don't unmount their entitlement high horse quick, scenes from Englad will come to America.

    This article seems to endorse the riots and make the looters the victims. The true fact of the matter is that they are spoiled babies who want everything handed to them.

    I have never understood where this entitlement state of mind came from. You won't get YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY (that is owed to you WHY?) paid in full from TAX PAYING, HARDWORKING REPUBLICAN'S FEDERAL INCOME TAXES, and it's some rich republican's fault because he won't pay MORE so you can do and be responsible for even LESS???

    The "scenes from England" serve as a perfect example of and further solidify the problem with socialism and entitlement programs: EVENTUALLY YOU RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

    Noone is born with a right to Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc etc.. Let every man that shall work also may he eat.
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:30 AM GMT
    Republicans.
    Satan's minions.
    The two groups have never been seen together in the same room.
    Something to think about. Are they one and the same?
    Vote Democrat (or at least Libertarian).
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:36 AM GMT


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare
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    Aug 12, 2011 5:55 AM GMT
    bmoney1 saidThis thread would be more appropriately titled: Poor democrats don't understand: If they don't unmount their entitlement high horse quick, scenes from Englad will come to America.

    This article seems to endorse the riots and make the looters the victims. The true fact of the matter is that they are spoiled babies who want everything handed to them.

    I have never understood where this entitlement state of mind came from. You won't get YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY (that is owed to you WHY?) paid in full from TAX PAYING, HARDWORKING REPUBLICAN'S FEDERAL INCOME TAXES, and it's some rich republican's fault because he won't pay MORE so you can do and be responsible for even LESS???

    The "scenes from England" serve as a perfect example of and further solidify the problem with socialism and entitlement programs: EVENTUALLY YOU RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

    Noone is born with a right to Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc etc.. Let every man that shall work also may he eat.




    The problem we have is that the rich need to pay more taxes.

    SS and Medicare help to buoy the economy.
    Giving tax cuts to the rich does nothing but transfer wealth from middle and lower Americans to the rich.

    AND FYI - SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT "OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY".
    IT'S OUR DAMN MONEY.
    WE PAY INTO IT ALL OUR WORKING LIVES AND THE GODDAMN REPUBS NEED TO KEEP THEIR FUICKING FILTHY HANDS OFF OF IT.
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    Aug 12, 2011 7:48 AM GMT
    another twat blocked.

    Americans in general don´t understand the UK. Live here a while. Read our media (and not the increasingly Rebublican-sycophantic Telegraph on line) THEN have an opinion, and preferably one that makes sense in a European context and not simply as a foil for your own domestic agenda #isolatedprick
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    Aug 12, 2011 8:24 AM GMT
    I think that a significant problem is that politicians of all persuasions look at the riots and see what they want to to support their own particular agenda.

    There's a lot going on here. A significant number of people rioting were neither unemployed nor poor.

    I think it's precipitate to jump to conclusions. While there is undoubtedly a social *context* to these riots, I think to judge the mechanisms by which that context contributed to the event at this stage is unlikely to yield correct conclusions.

    It's also *always* a truly *dreadful* idea to try to formulate a policy response immediately after an event like this. The legislation is inevitably *awful*, like the dreadful Patriot act.

    I'm fairly skeptical, as someone with joint American-British nationality, that the social context in the US and UK are sufficiently similar to allow explanations local to one country to be straightforwardly transferred to the other.
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    Aug 12, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    I agree Tim...

    (1) People use these things to make their points. It´s more complex
    (2) The response to these things is normally as bad or worse than the provocation see http://www.facebook.com/kneejerkgovernment
    (3) The situation in the UK cannot be used to prove anything in the USA
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    Aug 12, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidI think that a significant problem is that politicians of all persuasions look at the riots and see what they want to to support their own particular agenda.

    There's a lot going on here. A significant number of people rioting were neither unemployed nor poor.

    I think it's precipitate to jump to conclusions. While there is undoubtedly a social *context* to these riots, I think to judge the mechanisms by which that context contributed to the event at this stage is unlikely to yield correct conclusions.

    It's also *always* a truly *dreadful* idea to try to formulate a policy response immediately after an event like this. The legislation is inevitably *awful*, like the dreadful Patriot act.

    I'm fairly skeptical, as someone with joint American-British nationality, that the social context in the US and UK are sufficiently similar to allow explanations local to one country to be straightforwardly transferred to the other.

    I don't have any specific knowledge of the situation in the UK, but from what I've seen, your points are quite valid. I've heard snippets of comments from the rioters that can be taken to support one particular position, but I would guess that making generalizations based on those snippets would be highly inaccurate.
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    Aug 12, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
    Philly is having some serious issues with mobs of teens running around and attacking people at night.