Dear California: I’m Leaving You. Here’s Why…

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    Aug 13, 2011 3:40 AM GMT
    And why competition between states for workers, businesses and investors is important.

    http://www.erica.biz/2011/california-im-leaving-you/

    Okay, you want examples. Here are a few things I’ve had to deal with:

    1. The State of California arbitrarily decided that all businesses that gross over $100,000/year should have an account where you have to report quarterly on the sales tax your customers pay you for goods sold. The only problem? My company only sold services–not products–which aren’t taxed in California. When I closed the account (by going into a local office and spending nearly an hour explaining my situation), they forced it open again and sent me a nastygram explaining that I would owe fines for not filing the quarterly report. You have to file it 4 times a year, and it takes time to fill out, even if you haven’t sold any products and owe the state nothing.

    2. The state charges an income tax of 10% on all income over $47,055. This is in addition to the Federal income tax of 25% on income over $34,001. This is also in addition to an 8.25-9.25% sales tax (depending on where you buy products.) I paid enough in income tax for 2010 to the state of California alone to hire another new worker for my business. I’d bet a lot of money that I’m far more efficient at creating jobs as a small business owner than the state is given the same amount of money. I’d rather have that money to hire someone.

    3. And a really dumb law for small business owners, which Meg Whitman promised to repeal: An annual fee of $800 just to have a corporation in the state of California. (Most states don’t charge you, or only charge you a few dollars, as an annual fee to set up a business. California’s is exorbitant, and it applies as long as you, the primary officer of the corporation, live in California…no matter where you incorporate.)
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:55 AM GMT
    jprichva saidIsn't that typical.
    The right-wingers fucked the state up beyond repair.
    And now they whine that it's all fucked up so they want to leave.
    I suggest they all leave, and then the sane people can go back and fix the stupid mistakes that were made in the first place.

    If only we could do that on a national scale. Send all the right-wingers somewhere. Maybe you could take them in, Riddler. You're stupid, they'll feel right at home.

    You are so far off in another universe. I think you really believe what you write. Problem is the entitlements, Democratic spending like drunken sailors, and business unfriendly policies just as riddler mentioned.

    Typical Democratic thought process: You've maxed out 5 credit cards already. What to do? Answer with a straight face: Get another credit card.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:59 AM GMT
    What's with all the whining? Is it just me or is there just relentless whining from the right lately? Pathetic.
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    Aug 13, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    jprichva saidIsn't that typical.
    The right-wingers fucked the state up beyond repair.
    And now they whine that it's all fucked up so they want to leave.
    I suggest they all leave, and then the sane people can go back and fix the stupid mistakes that were made in the first place.

    If only we could do that on a national scale. Send all the right-wingers somewhere. Maybe you could take them in, Riddler. You're stupid, they'll feel right at home.


    Yes, right, it was the "rightwingers" who screwed up California. Given how dated your comments are on financial markets? I'll take that as a compliment. Fortunately voices like yours are being marginalized as people begin to take stock of what's important in the struggle between those who are productive who support those who are not - or not nearly as productive.
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    Aug 13, 2011 4:27 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidWhat's with all the whining? Is it just me or is there just relentless whining from the right lately? Pathetic.
    Do you understand the word "whining" and can you give an example in this thread. Does the playbook say to use that term instead of "racist" for a while? Was that term getting overused?
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    Aug 13, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWhat's with all the whining? Is it just me or is there just relentless whining from the right lately? Pathetic.
    Do you understand the word "whining" and can you give an example in this thread. Does the playbook say to use that term instead of "racist" for a while? Was that term getting overused?


    The entire piece that riddler quoted is one long whine. And then there's all the whining about "uncertainty" and how Obama is hurting business executives feelings. It's just endless incessant whining.
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    Aug 13, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidWhat's with all the whining? Is it just me or is there just relentless whining from the right lately? Pathetic.
    Do you understand the word "whining" and can you give an example in this thread. Does the playbook say to use that term instead of "racist" for a while? Was that term getting overused?


    The entire piece that riddler quoted is one long whine. And then there's all the whining about "uncertainty" and how Obama is hurting business executives feelings. It's just endless incessant whining.


    Ah - so basically in your world if you're specific about the problems and actually do something about them, it's whining unless you are whining about Republicans or tea partiers icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 13, 2011 6:18 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidYou are so far off in another universe. I think you really believe what you write.

    Anyone but a complete moron----er, present company excepted of course---knows that California's fiscal troubles began with Prop 13.

    Take, for instance, that $800 fee that was cited in the OP. Why do you suppose California had to resort to ridiculous fees like that? Because Prop 13 mandates that taxes cannot be raised without a 2/3 supermajority in the legislature. How often does that happen? You guessed it.

    It's the same stupid idea that's buried in the new Balanced Budget Amendment.

    And you know all this. Riddler is ignorant, but also a foreigner who doesn't know US history or economics very well, even though he thinks he does and blathers with great authority on subjects my dog can talk about more eloquently. But you are simply being dishonest here, because you know this is true.

    And spare me your condescension about how I "really believe what I write". You believe it too, but like the others of your stripe,. you'll lie your head off for the conservative movement.

    We went through this Prop 13 BS before when you previously spouted that line that it was the root of California's problems. Last time I went to the trouble of digging up information to show that even after Prop 13 passed, the combination of property taxes, state income taxes, and sales taxes made Californians among the most highly taxed in the country. But to liberals, no matter how high taxes are, they should always be higher to fund the insatiable and highly irresponsible spending. People with your ideology have brought much distress to the people of California and driven business out. It ruined my state, it's ruining the country, and it ruined many countries in Europe. Liberalism is opium for the masses, leading to misery and regret. Europe is with much difficulty trying to dig itself out. The US will when we get rid of this Administration, and California - who knows.
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    socalfitness saidYou are so far off in another universe. I think you really believe what you write.

    Anyone but a complete moron----er, present company excepted of course---knows that California's fiscal troubles began with Prop 13.

    Take, for instance, that $800 fee that was cited in the OP. Why do you suppose California had to resort to ridiculous fees like that? Because Prop 13 mandates that taxes cannot be raised without a 2/3 supermajority in the legislature. How often does that happen? You guessed it.

    It's the same stupid idea that's buried in the new Balanced Budget Amendment.

    And you know all this. Riddler is ignorant, but also a foreigner who doesn't know US history or economics very well, even though he thinks he does and blathers with great authority on subjects my dog can talk about more eloquently. But you are simply being dishonest here, because you know this is true.

    And spare me your condescension about how I "really believe what I write". You believe it too, but like the others of your stripe,. you'll lie your head off for the conservative movement.

    We went through this Prop 13 BS before when you previously spouted that line that it was the root of California's problems. Last time I went to the trouble of digging up information to show that even after Prop 13 passed, the combination of property taxes, state income taxes, and sales taxes made Californians among the most highly taxed in the country. But to liberals, no matter how high taxes are, they should always be higher to fund the insatiable and highly irresponsible spending. People with your ideology have brought much distress to the people of California and driven business out. It ruined my state, it's ruining the country, and it ruined many countries in Europe. Liberalism is opium for the masses, leading to misery and regret. Europe is with much difficulty trying to dig itself out. The US will when we get rid of this Administration, and California - who knows.





    Jesus Christ, you are one bitter delusional brainwashed poor soul.
    Your state of misinformedness is epic.
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    Aug 13, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    misinformedness? . . . thank you, Norm Crosby . . .
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    Aug 13, 2011 1:25 PM GMT
    To the "enlightened" who happen to believe that California's budget problems are the result of Prop 13, one salient fact that is not disputed:

    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/06/busting-the-prop-13-myth.html

    For the 1980 to 2007 time window [...] Population rose from 24 to 38 million. Annual property taxes revenues rose from $6.36 to $43.16 billion. The Consumer Price Index that measures inflation rose from 88 to 202.4.


    For the period since Prop 13 was implemented, tax revenues increased significantly above the rate of inflation. In fact tax revenues increased 579% in the same time population increased 58%. Inflation adjusted, this has meant tax revenues have increased 74% faster than population growth.

    So in other words, the basic objection to Prop 13 is that it places any limits at all on taxation and has acted as a scapegoat for those who want the size of government and their power to grow.

    So my question to those who believe that prop 13 results in chronic underfunding of public services and is also to blame for the massive deficits and debt in California: are you stupid, ignorant or lying?
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Liberalism isn't the opium of the masses, religion is the opium for the masses. A good example is how these religious fundamentalists have poisoned the GOP with all their fairy tale, nonsensical beliefs and tied it into pro business ideology. I am no fan of extreme liberalism but at the same token, I am no fan of extreme conservatism. Everything in sensible moderation.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    Both democrats and republicans have fucked up the State of California along with the rest of the country. That is why both political parties need to be permanently evicted from the federal level all the way down to the local level. It is time to give alternative, third parties a chance at running this great country. Heck, it cannot get any worse hopefully.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSo my question to those who believe that prop 13 results in chronic underfunding of public services and is also to blame for the massive deficits and debt in California: are you stupid, ignorant or lying?

    You really are as dishonest as you appear to be.
    Of course tax revenues exploded during your cited period, because even though property tax percentages were and are capped, the assessed value of real estate in California jumped around 2000%. So a 579% rise is vastly below expectations. Also, your data doesn't reflect the effects of 30 years of inflation (of course not, because that would entail your being honest), which divides your 579 by approximately 3.

    I won't ask if you're stupid or lying. You're both.


    Except that inflation adjusted revenues have still risen on a per capita basis 74%. Learn to read.

    Of course property taxes rose with real estate prices. So what? Taxes still increased substantially faster than population. You're just another example that age and experience do not automatically confer wisdom. Sadly we do not live in your little fantasy world where money seems to grow on trees, all Republicans are simply evil and unions and Democrats represent only the forces of good. Reality for you must bite.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWhat's so sad is that California is a beautiful state - I've always wanted to live there - but it is so completely screwed up politically and taxes-wise that I (and millions of others) are keeping our distance.

    If you live in a nice neighborhood and invest wisely, it still is a great place. But the taxes and screwed up politics are making it very difficult for many.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidBoth democrats and republicans have fucked up the State of California along with the rest of the country. That is why both political parties need to be permanently evicted from the federal level all the way down to the local level. It is time to give alternative, third parties a chance at running this great country. Heck, it cannot get any worse hopefully.

    It is convenient to say everyone is responsible for all that is wrong, but in California, it is specifically the Democrats to blame. Their spending, willingness to be bought by unions, especially the public employees unions, has created a mess. Only the Democrats in California are to blame.
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    Aug 13, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
    High taxes and screwed up politics are the norm everywhere, not just in California. Hey it could be 100 times worse, you could end up living in North Korea or as its officially known, Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. So lets be thankful that we all live in the good ol' USA.
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    Aug 13, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWhat's with all the whining? Is it just me or is there just relentless whining from the right lately? Pathetic.
    Do you understand the word "whining" and can you give an example in this thread. Does the playbook say to use that term instead of "racist" for a while? Was that term getting overused?


    No, that would be the word "RANDOM".... God, how I have learned to hate that friggin' word!!!
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    Aug 13, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidBoth democrats and republicans have fucked up the State of California along with the rest of the country. That is why both political parties need to be permanently evicted from the federal level all the way down to the local level. It is time to give alternative, third parties a chance at running this great country. Heck, it cannot get any worse hopefully.


    Can I hear a Hallelujah and Amen to that!!!! I've been saying that for the last three years!!!
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    Aug 14, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
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    venue35 said
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    venue35 saidI didn't know that gay republicans existed.
    That's interesting.


    Apparently there are many things you don't know.


    Really? Do we know eachother? I don't think I've ever seen you before.



    When a person makes a hugely ignorant statement as you did, it is extremely likely that said person is ignorant of many other things as well, my good friend from Greece.


    In his defense Gay republicans are only gay in the sense they like dick, but good luck geting any of them to actually admit it.
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    Aug 14, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    venue35 saidI didn't know that gay republicans existed.
    That's interesting.
    They only exist in courtrooms after being charged with various gay sex crimes. icon_razz.gif