Christian leaders to denounce politics of faith ... we're winning!

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    May 03, 2008 4:43 AM GMT
    Conservative Christian leaders who believe the word "evangelical" has lost its religious meaning plan to release a starkly self-critical document saying the movement has become too political and has diminished the Gospel through its approach to the culture wars

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/02/evangelicals.ap/index.html
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    May 03, 2008 9:22 AM GMT
    And thus they open their eyes.
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    May 03, 2008 9:26 AM GMT
    Pity they waited so long, thousands may have survived in the 1980's during the AIDS crisis if they had showed more Christian charity and less Christian "morality". Can you tell I am a bit angry?icon_mad.gif
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    May 03, 2008 12:36 PM GMT
    I'll believe it when James Dobson and Mike "Huckleberry" jump on board. Aside from Kansas, I come from the nuttiest basket of zealots in America. I don't think we'll see a global shift until people who are currently in their 50's have retired/died/left positions of power. Hopefully I'm young enough to be able to see it happen.
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    May 03, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    i don't think we should get our hopes up...
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    May 03, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    caslon saidConservative Christian leaders who believe the word "evangelical" has lost its religious meaning plan to release a starkly self-critical document saying the movement has become too political and has diminished the Gospel through its approach to the culture wars


    As a Christian, I would welcome this! Maybe then they could concentrate of being more Christ-like and less holier-than-tho. I find it very sad when I see the number of guys on here who are so turned off by Christianity, not because of who Christ was, but because of what His "followers" have done.
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    May 03, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    This is nothing new and I wouldn't expect anything to change. There have always been a few sensible voices among the church (John Shelby Spong being one of the most intrepid), and those intransigent fundamentalists who ratchet up their resolve in response to any calls for moderation.

    To James Dobson and other fundamentalists, a movement like this only affirms in their mind that they are the true leaders of the church and have an even greater duty to uphold moral values and that other church leaders are getting soft and not being true to the Word of God.

    But the passage of time takes care of sloughing off that way of thinking. Falwell and Kennedy have passed from us. Dobson and Robertson will soon follow.

    The next generation will have to be more moderate or risk alienating more and more people whose views aren't in accord with strict Biblical literalism and the fundamentalist perspective.
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    May 03, 2008 3:34 PM GMT
    And for that I say Amen icon_razz.gif
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    May 03, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    JustJohn saidI'll believe it when James Dobson and Mike "Huckleberry" jump on board. Aside from Kansas, I come from the nuttiest basket of zealots in America. I don't think we'll see a global shift until people who are currently in their 50's have retired/died/left positions of power. Hopefully I'm young enough to be able to see it happen.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------We can only hope that clear thinking like that of these leaders, would take over the mainstream christian denominations, where politics is concerned. But as long as the mean spirited zealots of the right, see religion as a means to political dominance to forward their agenda, I don't see this making much difference any time soon. I hate to talk about my age group (over 50) but justjohn is right, this bunch has got to go !!! The neocons have had such power grabbing success, and such far reaching goals that the only way to get rid of them is for them to age and lose influence, or to die off. I sure hope their neocon mindset loses the attraction of the younger leaders coming up the line. There are plenty of examples for just how badly the neocon thinking has messed up our world for them to see, and dissavow connection with any such goals.
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    May 08, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    Will this include a moratorium on accusing and firing employees on the grounds of wizardry?
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    May 09, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidWill this include a moratorium on accusing and firing employees on the grounds of wizardry?


    From my experience in education, I am constantly amazed that the dumbest people on the face of the earth are drawn into the field of education and become administrators. Firing a sub for wizardry (I can't think of a sub who knows how to read a lesson plan, let alone teach it so that is pretty moot) is a great step in this administrators career. He will go all the way to state ed. icon_mad.gif
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    May 10, 2008 10:09 AM GMT
    OH

    MY

    GOD

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever read!
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    May 23, 2008 9:12 PM GMT
    Good Riddance.
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    May 23, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    Uh-huh. Please. I'll believe it when I see that:
    - Evangelicals are more interested in doing good works rather than enforce their ideas of morality through violence and/or legislation.
    - They are more interested in faith instead of the APPEARANCE of faith.
    - Are willing to work to make the world a better place rather than actively trying to steer the world toward biblical apocalypse / all-out-war with Islam.
    - Stop being complete and total deusch-bags in general icon_mad.gif
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    May 24, 2008 1:46 PM GMT
    I'm a Republican, I'm sick and tired of being embarrassed by the Christian Taliban. They don't represent all of us Republicans but they get all the negative press. They can just go form the "Jesus" Party.

    One of the things I really can't stand about the Democrats is; they're such control freaks. Well so are the religious right. We don't need them in the GOP.