what the fuck? I am looking for a room and...

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    Aug 15, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    the guy who is renting the room out wants to know how I am 18 y/o and in second yr. university... he wants me to take a photo of my university card, and my health card so I can prove to him that you can be 18 and still be in second yr. uni.


    Who the FUCK asks that anyways wehn renting a room out? All the other landlords asked for is how much money I make, and if I can pay for first and last month's rent.


    who does this landlord think he is...

    i'm fucking doing that but im pissed that something IRRELEVANT is needed.


    next thing he'll ask me for is my fucking transcripts.

    (rolls eyes)

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    Aug 15, 2011 5:29 AM GMT
    What the hell? that's weird. Looks like he wants to know more than your age. The next thing he'll do is go through your drawers when you're out.
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    Aug 15, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
    ESCESV saidWhat the hell? that's weird. Looks like he wants to know more than your age. The next thing he'll do is go through your drawers when you're out.


    he is 20.. and gay too.. but still.. why is he being so picky about my personal life? it's pissing me off.
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    Aug 15, 2011 5:41 AM GMT
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    _Mohamed_ saidthe guy who is renting the room out wants to know how I am 18 y/o and in second yr. university... he wants me to take a photo of my university card, and my health card so I can prove to him that you can be 18 and still be in second yr. uni.


    Who the FUCK asks that anyways wehn renting a room out? All the other landlords asked for is how much money I make, and if I can pay for first and last month's rent.


    who does this landlord think he is...

    i'm fucking doing that but im pissed that something IRRELEVANT is needed.


    next thing he'll ask me for is my fucking transcripts.

    (rolls eyes)


    It's for the FBI.....it's just 'cos you're muslim.

    And yes, I'm totally trollin' _M_, lol.


    Probably lol... however, i'm not a practicing muslim anymore though.
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    Aug 15, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
    Why would he need your health card? That doesn't seem right to me... be careful about giving too much info.
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    I would look for another room, it doesn't seem right. Even if he isn't an identity thief he sounds on par with my last landlord. He use to interogate me everytime went to pay rent. Mostly about my roommate's dating life. This landlord was married and kinda old. It was just weird...
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:26 PM GMT
    Sadly, Mo, he's the landlord and if you don't like his somewhat ridiculous and off the wall request you have the option of not renting the room from him.

    He has every right to ask. Some landlords are pretty picky and precise about who they want to rent to and there's no law saying that they can't be.
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    check this info Tenant Protection Act and what landlord ask for as a proof of identity. He certainly has an agenda not related to the procedures in a landlord / tenant agreement.

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    Aug 15, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    Guy101 saidSadly, Mo, he's the landlord and if you don't like his somewhat ridiculous and off the wall request you have the option of not renting the room from him.

    He has every right to ask. Some landlords are pretty picky and precise about who they want to rent to and there's no law saying that can't be.



    Amen....
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Here _Mohamed_, take a look at the bottom of the page.

    kindest regards!

    -Doug

    http://www.ltb.gov.on.ca/en/Key_Information/STEL02_111463.html
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:47 PM GMT
    im not sure why this pisses you off. Who cares?
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    steamfunk saidWhy would he need your health card? That doesn't seem right to me... be careful about giving too much info.


    Probably to ensure that if he gets sick he wont have to spend the rent money on medical bills?
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
    he has a right to question any discrepancies in your application as a landlord. It's isn't "normal" for an 18 year old to be a 2nd year university student, frankly, so yes, that is something I would question, too. It's all about mitigating risk and understanding who the person is that is renting a room. The bottom line is, he is questioning the validity of your identity, which is his right as a landlord. Lenders do it all day long when issuing credit to people.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:08 PM GMT
    Landlords can pretty much ask for anything they want to (within reason) when it comes to renting to people.

    I don't know the laws for Canada but I know that in the US they can deny renting to you simply because of your lifestyle, your age (usually 21 and under) and even deny renting to you because you don't make enough money monthly. Most require a background check to see if you have a felony and can deny renting to you because of bad credit. Oh yes they can.

    Renting is just like looking for a job and you even have to fill out applications for some places. Welcome to the wonderful world of living on your own.

    Again, you have the option of not renting from the landlord and guess what? The landlord could care less because if you won't rent from him then someone else will. It's a business.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    You want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    mikey_101 saidYou want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.


    Ummm, not in the U.S. Dunno for sure about Canada, but I doubt it.

    Whatever the legalities, I doubt this guy would make a good landlord. I spent one of the worst summers of my life living with a friend of mine who had the legal right to rent out a room to me but whose landlord objected. Look elsewhere.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
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    mikey_101 saidYou want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.


    Ummm, not in the U.S. Dunno for sure about Canada, but I doubt it.


    Actually, depending on the state and the landlord or place you are renting from you do need some proof of identity hence background checks. Your identity does fall under that.

    I have a question, showme.

    How does your friend who is renting from the landlord in the first place have the legal right to rent out a room to you he doesn't own? I'd love to hear this answer.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:32 PM GMT
    I give you free room, I just need your HIV test.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
    Guy101 said
    showme said
    mikey_101 saidYou want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.


    Ummm, not in the U.S. Dunno for sure about Canada, but I doubt it.


    Actually, depending on the state and the landlord or place you are renting from you do need some proof of identity hence background checks. Your identity does fall under that.

    I have a question, showme.

    How does your friend have the legal right to rent a room out out to you when he's renting the place out himself from the landlord? That makes no sense.


    If I were a landlord I would check out the identity and creditworthiness of a potential tenant, but I have never heard of any U.S. law that requires you to prove your identity to the counterparty of a contract as a condition to enforceability. As a practical matter, if the landlord wants you to and you don't want to, you're not going to reach a contract.

    And to answer your second question, New York City law permits (or at least permitted at the time) a tenant to have a roommate without the consent of his landlord. Not a very usual law and not one that I would probably support, but that's what it was.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
    showme said
    mikey_101 saidYou want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.


    Ummm, not in the U.S. Dunno for sure about Canada, but I doubt it.

    Whatever the legalities, I doubt this guy would make a good landlord. I spent one of the worst summers of my life living with a friend of mine who had the legal right to rent out a room to me but whose landlord objected. Look elsewhere.


    Actually yes in the US. Every state I have lived in requires a copy of your id when doing back ground checks
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
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    showme said
    mikey_101 saidYou want to enter into a contract - a legal contract?

    You need to provide proof of your identity.


    Ummm, not in the U.S. Dunno for sure about Canada, but I doubt it.

    Whatever the legalities, I doubt this guy would make a good landlord. I spent one of the worst summers of my life living with a friend of mine who had the legal right to rent out a room to me but whose landlord objected. Look elsewhere.


    Actually yes in the US. Every state I have lived in requires a copy of your id when doing back ground checks


    Nonlawyers shouldn't try to play lawyers.

    Yes, if someone wants a background check from you, you're gonna have to give your i.d. But in general,* there is no U.S. law that says you have to submit to a background check to enter into a contract, for a lease or otherwise. That's not saying the landlord isn't free to ask for it and refuse to rent without it, though.

    *At least one exception I can think of - the Patriot Act requires that you present legal i.d. to open a bank account.

  • mikey_101

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    Aug 15, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    Look at it this way -

    if it were your property you were renting to someone who you do not know.... would you request a copy of their ID?

    Or would you give a complete stranger access to your property?

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    Aug 15, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    mikey_101 saidLook at it this way -

    if it were your property you were renting to someone who you do not know.... would you request a copy of their ID?

    Or would you give a complete stranger access to your property?



    Of course. I would also do a credit check and check references.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    That's a funny law and I'd love to know when it was enforced as a law in NYC.

    So basically the room mate is charging you for a place he doesn't even own and he himself is renting from. Does he pay the landlord with the money he's making off of you because if not then that's stealing and I don't think there's a law that says you can have a roomie without the consent of the landlord because I'm sure if the landlord finds out he could kick you your friend out and have a legit reason to do so.

    It's good that you wouldn't support a law like that because it's flawed.
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    Guy101 saidThat's a funny law and I'dlove to know when it was enforced as law.

    So basically the room mate is charging you for a place he doesn't even own and he himself is renting from. Does he pay the landlord with the money he's making off of you because if not then that's stealing and I dont think there's a law that says you can have a roomie without the consent of the landlord because I'm sure if the landlord finds out he could kick you out and have a legit reason to do so.

    It's good that you wouldn't support a law like that because it's flawed.


    Lol, tell it to Judge Judy.

    Here's an article from the New York Law Journal about this law, analyzing some more picky issues about how it should be applied - apparently it is a New York state law.

    http://www.stroock.com/SiteFiles/Pub237.pdf