Gay Teen, Larry King, Is Now Being Blamed for His Own Murder

  • metta

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    Aug 15, 2011 7:33 AM GMT
    Gay Teen, Larry King, Is Now Being Blamed for His Own Murder


    http://gawker.com/5830022/gay-teen-now-being-blamed-for-his-own-murder
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    Aug 15, 2011 9:11 AM GMT
    If Larry was making Brandon that uncomfotable,Brandon should have gone to the princapal & not shoot him 2 times in the head,That's just disgusting.
  • bad_wolf

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    Aug 15, 2011 11:15 AM GMT
    THE FUCKING NERVE!!!!
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:41 PM GMT
    It's called blaming the victim syndrome. This defense is nothing new and it's a well known tactic by defense attorneys.
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    Aug 15, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    I'm quoting one of the comments on the article that I liked.

    If teens had the right to kill each other for doing things that aren't smart we wouldn't have any.

    Should this guy have taunted the students? No, but the solution is not to shoot him in the head.
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    Aug 15, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    The argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?
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    Aug 15, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?


    We understand he is doing his job, but the "gay panic" is offensive. Its saying that, because I am gay, it drove this man to murder.

    Lets change it a bit, lets pretend that this was a straight teen who got shot in the head in the middle of the Castro, and the defense said "well, the teen was so damn straight that it drove the man to shoot him!" It seems really bizarre there, and it is really bizarre here.

    Or lets say it was a black man, and they used the "black panic." "Your honor, you see, my client pulled the trigger and shot this black man because he was black, but he shouldnt be tried! You see, the black man he shot is SO DAMN BLACK! I mean he was eating watermelon and fried chicken AT THE SAME TIME! Its like he was asking and wanting to be shot in the head!"

    That attorney would never work again. It is unacceptable there, it is unacceptable here.
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    Aug 15, 2011 5:04 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?


    It's similar to the "she was asking for it" defense in rape or domestic violence cases. A legal argument/defense can be legal as well as detestable and sickening. What part of that is confusing? Understanding a defense attorney's job is not the same as defending every thing they might ever say or do.

    And, gosh, I can't imagine why we're indignant about this particular case: maybe because an acquittal here would lay ground work for gay panic defenses across the state? And that makes us less safe and less legally equal?
  • smudgedude

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    Aug 15, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    god. people are just sad anymore.
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    Aug 15, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
    Chainers,

    I found your example beyond offensive! Please don't use us as an example to illustrate a point! Here's the think in every in most TV ad they don't alsway feature us eating fried chicken or watermelon. Just so you know there are just as many white people if not more who eat fried chicken!
    Good-grief!
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    Aug 15, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    Ducky47 saidChainers,

    I found your example beyond offensive! Please don't use us as an example to illustrate a point! Here's the think in every in most TV ad they don't alsway feature us eating fried chicken or watermelon. Just so you know there are just as many white people if not more who eat fried chicken!
    Good-grief!



    you are so dumb. you are really dumb, fo' real.

  • conquer

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    Aug 15, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    complete bullshit. i say an eye for an eye, its time for punishment fit the crime.
  • Anto

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    Aug 15, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.


    Yeah, this is partly why the legal system is so messed up.
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    Aug 15, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?


    We understand he is doing his job, but the "gay panic" is offensive. Its saying that, because I am gay, it drove this man to murder.

    Lets change it a bit, lets pretend that this was a straight teen who got shot in the head in the middle of the Castro, and the defense said "well, the teen was so damn straight that it drove the man to shoot him!" It seems really bizarre there, and it is really bizarre here.

    Or lets say it was a black man, and they used the "black panic." "Your honor, you see, my client pulled the trigger and shot this black man because he was black, but he shouldnt be tried! You see, the black man he shot is SO DAMN BLACK! I mean he was eating watermelon and fried chicken AT THE SAME TIME! Its like he was asking and wanting to be shot in the head!"

    That attorney would never work again. It is unacceptable there, it is unacceptable here.


    THIS
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    Aug 15, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    this is just another example of people encouraging a very infantile form of magical thinking (the idea that my thoughts or words actually CAUSE somebody else to do something)...as powerful as words may be, they do not literally travel across the room and make somebody shoot somebody else, or do anything else for that matter. The power lies in the listener/perceiver.

    People are constantly trying to put the responsibility on other people for their own actions, and to some extent, I think our society encourages it. It is much easier for people to blame the stressor/external stimuli (such as this gay kid who was doing something to the boy), then it is to take a really close look at WHY these stressors are causing a response in the person. To do that would take psychological thinking and introspection, which is impossible for many.
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    Aug 16, 2011 6:55 PM GMT
    Ducky47 saidChainers,

    I found your example beyond offensive! Please don't use us as an example to illustrate a point! Here's the think in every in most TV ad they don't alsway feature us eating fried chicken or watermelon. Just so you know there are just as many white people if not more who eat fried chicken!
    Good-grief!


    Just as a side note I love watermelon, someone had to tell me it was a racist thing.

    Fried chicken not so much, but watermelon yes!
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    Aug 16, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    Allathlete said
    Chainers said
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?


    We understand he is doing his job, but the "gay panic" is offensive. Its saying that, because I am gay, it drove this man to murder.

    Lets change it a bit, lets pretend that this was a straight teen who got shot in the head in the middle of the Castro, and the defense said "well, the teen was so damn straight that it drove the man to shoot him!" It seems really bizarre there, and it is really bizarre here.

    Or lets say it was a black man, and they used the "black panic." "Your honor, you see, my client pulled the trigger and shot this black man because he was black, but he shouldnt be tried! You see, the black man he shot is SO DAMN BLACK! I mean he was eating watermelon and fried chicken AT THE SAME TIME! Its like he was asking and wanting to be shot in the head!"

    That attorney would never work again. It is unacceptable there, it is unacceptable here.


    THIS


    It doesn't matter what you find "offensive." A defense attorney's first obligation is to set his client free. Be glad for that - if you're ever accused of a crime and put on trial, you have a right to the best defense you can get.

    And an attorney does not address the judge. The case is made to the jury.
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    Aug 16, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ said
    Allathlete said
    Chainers said
    JackNWNJ saidThe argument may be "awful," but a defense attorney's first job is to defend his client and avoid a conviction.

    It's nothing new. Why is everyone so indignant about this particular case?


    We understand he is doing his job, but the "gay panic" is offensive. Its saying that, because I am gay, it drove this man to murder.

    Lets change it a bit, lets pretend that this was a straight teen who got shot in the head in the middle of the Castro, and the defense said "well, the teen was so damn straight that it drove the man to shoot him!" It seems really bizarre there, and it is really bizarre here.

    Or lets say it was a black man, and they used the "black panic." "Your honor, you see, my client pulled the trigger and shot this black man because he was black, but he shouldnt be tried! You see, the black man he shot is SO DAMN BLACK! I mean he was eating watermelon and fried chicken AT THE SAME TIME! Its like he was asking and wanting to be shot in the head!"

    That attorney would never work again. It is unacceptable there, it is unacceptable here.


    THIS


    It doesn't matter what you find "offensive." A defense attorney's first obligation is to set his client free. Be glad for that - if you're ever accused of a crime and put on trial, you have a right to the best defense you can get.

    And an attorney does not address the judge. The case is made to the jury.


    Thank you douche, you are now nominated for the douche of the universe award. You have presented a backwards ass opinion that is holding back the progress of society as a whole, you fucking douche.

    My god, I hope the next f** (edited to not offend) drag involves you, and your killer gets off the hook because "Your honor, the man hated gay men so much its like he did it to himself!"