How truly accepting are supposedly "accepting"people?

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    Aug 16, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    Have you ever noticed people who claim to be understand and accepting of gays (whether it's a friend, uncle, cousin etc.), that there is always some sort of condition attached like "Oh I'm totally ok with it BUT I don't agree with the lifestyle" or "Oh I accept you but I think the idea is weird"

    and just the whole idea that yeah these people may be accepting but they still view us as different. Why can we all just be viewed as one?
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    "Oh I'm totally okay with that, just don't act all girly/camp next to me."

    That and a bunch of other conditions. It's stupid and very annoying.
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
    This is why I stopped talking to my best friend of 3 years. He "accepts" gays, but doesn't agree with their lifestyle...and would not allow me to babysit his kids cause he's afraid I'd molest them.

    PS. This WAS my best friend: (old video - I was very out of shape then)
    http://www.flex-studio.com/bobby-gets-cocky-dvd.php
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
    I never expect full acceptance because I dont fully accept people myself.
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    I know of one friend in that while accepting of me , doesn't accept other bisexual or homosexual MEN.....

    He has retarded sense in that, a woman to woman is ok and if one of the lesbian partner slept with another woman...It isn't cheating....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    All of my family knows, but I have to tow the line. By that I mean, I can't really talk about anything about my past or present gay life, and by all means I could still never introduce a gay friend to them (well the majority). This isn't right.
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
    Oh and I love how some people (especially some straight men) are totally against homosexuality yet they love lesbians/lesbian porn. It's like they think only gay men are homosexuals.

    Doesn't really matter to me seeing as how I'm annoyed by most people anyway.
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    White Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:37 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.


    LOL

    I grow tired of these silly posts you love make. It's like you make it your duty to post nonsense like this in every thread regardless of it's relevancy. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    It's just like when people say "Don't take this the wrong way but ... " and they say a very mean thing. People would be better off if they quit talking about thirty seconds before they intend to finish their thought. Like the time I ...
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.
    You should be shot for that statement. In fact, I think I'm gonna lobby congress to create a law that makes you get shot for saying that. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 16, 2011 12:56 AM GMT
    SirDreamALot said
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.


    LOL

    I grow tired of these silly posts you love make. It's like you make it your duty to post nonsense like this in every thread regardless of it's relevancy. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He is right.

    Gays are the most intolerant people on the planet I think.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    SirDreamALot said
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.


    LOL

    I grow tired of these silly posts you love make. It's like you make it your duty to post nonsense like this in every thread regardless of it's relevancy. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He is right.

    Gays are the most intolerant people on the planet I think.


    Yes, he is totally right (because all gays are white liberals).
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    One of my buddies smokes. I LOVE HIM but HATE HIS FUCKING CIGARETTES and the smell. He doesn't say to me, "if you don't accept my cigarette smoking you don't accept me". He just doesn't go blowing his smoke around me and he smokes outdoors. And I keep my comments about the smoking to myself. Every so often I'll make a comment about smoking, and every so often he'll light up near me. We deal with it. I still wish he would stop and don't agree with smokers, but I would take a bullet for him and accept him, just not his fucking cancer sticks.

    I think we need to be as accepting other's beliefs and not expect full concession all the time. Sometimes, oftentimes, most times, there is a very happy medium. It's time to stop being miserable.

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    Aug 16, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    I must be lucky, I've amazing friends.

    I'm me and that means I can be as flouncy fun bubbly and total girl like as I want, even skipping down the street holding there hands and yes I've done it a few times..

    And they couldn't give a shit just as long as I'm happy. Although if anyone caused a problem I'd be the one to deal with it hahaha so I suppose there is that.

    But I'm one of those unconditional people for the most part, I like ya as long as you don't try and drag others down and what you do in life brings you joy and contentment and anything you do involves consent from another consenting adult.

    Other then that, be as you feel most your self as.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    vincent7 saidAll of my family knows, but I have to tow the line. By that I mean, I can't really talk about anything about my past or present gay life, and by all means I could still never introduce a gay friend to them (well the majority). This isn't right.


    This is me exactly. It really makes me sad and lonely. My mother feels that I chose to be this way. It's been rough. However, there have recently been some positive signs that she's getting more comfortable with talking. She's 71, so it's not like we can keep putting this off.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    Many of those who demand "acceptance" are quite fascist about it.

    Take the National Association for the Advancement of Fat Acceptance, for instance. http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/

    Founded in 1969, the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA) is a non-profit civil rights organization dedicated to ending size discrimination in all of its forms. NAAFA's goal is to help build a society in which people of every size are accepted with dignity and equality in all aspects of life. NAAFA will pursue this goal through advocacy, public education, and support.

    "All of its forms"? "In all aspects of life"? No, sorry.

    This includes what I think about fat people. I am not attracted to them. That's just the way it is. In that sense, I don't treat them with "equality."

    As for the rest, I "accept" fat people in that they are people and have the right to live the way they want.

    But I will not tolerate them sticking their fat in my face, demanding that they be accepted and respected.

    Another one of their tenets is to "improve the quality of life for fat people."

    My opinion is that losing weight will improve the quality of a fat person's life.

    NAAFA is of a different opinion. So it is a simple disagreement - and it is not incumbent upon me to change my viewpoint to accommodate theirs.

    NAAFA is only one example. Most "civil rights" and "advocacy" groups exhibit the same authoritarian streak.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:33 AM GMT
    SirDreamALot said
    JP85257 said
    SirDreamALot said
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.


    LOL

    I grow tired of these silly posts you love make. It's like you make it your duty to post nonsense like this in every thread regardless of it's relevancy. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He is right.

    Gays are the most intolerant people on the planet I think.


    Yes, he is totally right (because all gays are white liberals).

    Yes. I said that.

    Its 2 separate statements you smartass..
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    SirDreamALot said
    JP85257 said
    SirDreamALot said
    JackNWNJ saidWhite Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet.


    LOL

    I grow tired of these silly posts you love make. It's like you make it your duty to post nonsense like this in every thread regardless of it's relevancy. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He is right.

    Gays are the most intolerant people on the planet I think.


    Yes, he is totally right (because all gays are white liberals).

    Yes. I said that.

    Its 2 separate statements you smartass..


    You're so rude.

    "White liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet. Gays are the most intolerant people on the planet." icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    The gay Left is only a subset of white Liberalism. Not all gays are Lefties, and not all Lefties are white.

    But white Liberals call the shots for their whole project. I merely call them out on it.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    SirDreamALot said"Oh I'm totally okay with that, just don't act all girly/camp next to me."


    That's what I have to say to half the guys that ask me out. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • JP85257

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    Aug 16, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidThe gay Left is only a subset of white Liberalism. Not all gays are Lefties, and not all Lefties are white.

    But white Liberals call the shots for their whole project. I merely call them out on it.

    Exactly.
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    Aug 16, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    Aquanerd said
    SirDreamALot said"Oh I'm totally okay with that, just don't act all girly/camp next to me."


    That's what I have to say to half the guys that ask me out. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wonder how long it's going to take you to figure out that we're not exactly talking about the same thing.
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    Aug 16, 2011 2:27 AM GMT
    Why is it never enough to just be accepted? Live and let live. If someone says "I don't have a problem with gays, but I don't agree with ... whatever..." just be happy about it.



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    Aug 16, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidWhy is it never enough to just be accepted? Live and let live. If someone says "I don't have a problem with gays, but I don't agree with ... whatever..." just be happy about it.


    Why should that be enough?

    I expect more than being tolerated - which is the kind of acceptance you're talking about - by my friends and family. True acceptance doesn't have qualifications.