School Suspends Teacher After Gay Marriage Facebook Comment

  • metta

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    Aug 18, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    School Suspends Teacher After Gay Marriage Facebook Comment

    http://www.wesh.com/education/28899497/detail.html


    Here is a facebook page created to support the teacher:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Jerry-Buell-Mount-Dora-High-School-Teacher-of-the-Year-suspended/263369567009043


    I have heard that the School Board will poll you on whether he should be reinstated or not.
    School Board: (352) 383-2177



    New Facebook Page:

    DON'T support homophobic Jerry Buell. Keep him suspended

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/DONT-support-homophobic-Jerry-Buell-Keep-him-suspended/258399240845998


    Fire the Gay-Bashing Rat Jerry Buell

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-the-Gay-Bashing-Rat-Jerry-Buell/223334751052352

    Florida Department of Education Code of Ethics
    http://www.fldoe.org/edstandards/code_of_ethics.asp


    NEW ISSUE

    Buell lawyer: District believes teacher violated church-state provision

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/os-jerry-buell-facebook-rally-20110825,0,307026.story

  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 18, 2011 7:05 PM GMT
    ORLANDO, Fla. -- Mount Dora High School teacher Jerry Buell, the 2010 teacher of the year, is awaiting a decision about whether he will return to the classroom after a controversial comment he made on Facebook led to his suspension.
    According to Lake County School District officials, a former student reported a Facebook post by Buell that may have violated ethics rules when he used social media to sound off about gay marriage.
    School officials confirmed to WESH 2 News that Buell posted a comment stating that he “almost threw up” over a news story about legalizing same-sex marriage and went on to write that same-sex marriage is a “cesspool.”
    WESH 2 News reporter Talitha Vickers attempted to talk to Buell at his home, but he refused to comment.
    Evan Holley, a Mount Dora High School alumnus, said Buell is an excellent teacher.
    “Mr. Buell would never do that to offend anybody. I mean, he’s a really Christian guy and that’s his beliefs. I mean, it’s his personal Facebook,” said Holley.
    The district has not made a decision about what further disciplinary action could be taken against Buell. The award-winning social studies teacher was suspended and working in a clerical position at the school district’s administration building.
  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 18, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    I don't think anyone should lose their job by posting political rants one way or another, even on gay marriage.

    But I do think he should be reprimanded by school officials for his choice of words.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
    How many people have to be fired before these fucking idiots learn to stop sounding off on FB? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI don't think anyone should lose their job by posting political rants one way or another, even on gay marriage.

    But I do think he should be reprimanded by school officials for his choice of words.


    I think the issue is, as a school official, some gay kids can look up to him and be disappointed. Gay youth suicide is a huge issue, and teachers are in a position of authority, he should have known better than to make his opinions public like that.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    Missouri (the regressive state in the middle of the US that I live in) just passed a law forbidding teachers from even being FB friends with students. I've mixed feelings about this because while I think it could be beneficial in insulating students from the idiocy that some of their educators engage in, it's also an infringement on the teacher's first amendment rights.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:35 PM GMT
    Well, was his facebook set to friends only or public viewing?

    If it's friends only then he's entitled to his rants. He holds a public position as an educator though, so if he rants publicly.....

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    Aug 18, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
    Ravco saidMissouri (the regressive state in the middle of the US that I live in) just passed a law forbidding teachers from even being FB friends with students. I've mixed feelings about this because while I think it could be beneficial in insulating students from the idiocy that some of their educators engage in, it's also an infringement on the teacher's first amendment rights.


    This is for the teachers benefits. Last thing we need is a teacher fb stalking his hot student. Not that anyone would I mean young people are sooooo not hot
  • DrobUA

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    Aug 18, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    I love how the excuse is, "Well he's very christian and thats his beliefs." As a teacher he has no right to spread the disease that are his beliefs
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    I still hold on to the belief (or illusion) we still have free speech in the US. If this guy had a negative opinion on gay marriage, he has a right to voice that opinion. He did not teach it in class I am assuming. If he did it on his own time, who cares. What is next, you are a teacher or public official so you can not attend this event because it reflects badly on your job. Excuse me folks, the Govt can get away with that while you are in the military but should not subject people to that in society. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to my death your right to say it.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    HE should keep his job. We have rights in this country. He has a right to say what he wants on Facebook.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    DrobUA saidI love how the excuse is, "Well he's very christian and thats his beliefs." As a teacher he has no right to spread the disease that are his beliefs


    Umm, yes he does. Its called free speech. And its protected by the constitution.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
    It's interesting that students get suspended for making hateful remarks on their personal FB sites. But their teachers shouldn't be, because they're good Christians?

    Evan Holley, a Mount Dora High School alumnus, said Buell is an excellent teacher.

    “Mr. Buell would never do that to offend anybody. I mean, he’s a really Christian guy and that’s his beliefs. I mean, it’s his personal Facebook," said Holley.


    If it wasn't to offend GLBT, what was it for, then? Apparently if you only offend GLBT, that's no offense at all to a Christian in that town. Nice.
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
    DrobUA saidI love how the excuse is, "Well he's very christian and thats his beliefs." As a teacher he has no right to spread the disease that are his beliefs


    ^ this

    It's really beyond me how people in public service jobs don't seem to realize that public service by definition means the entire public, and not a self chosen segment of the public. We call that private sector.

    What a moron, I hope the fucker loses his job. He can pray to his buddy Jesus that he finds another one, maybe in that school district in Kansas that was in the news somewhere last year.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 18, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidHE should keep his job. We have rights in this country. He has a right to say what he wants on Facebook.



    I agree, though the teacher was sure guilty of some really bad judgement. I think it's a dangerous slope when people start getting fired, suspended, whatever over things they say in public -- even on a public message board.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:02 PM GMT
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    DrobUA saidI love how the excuse is, "Well he's very christian and thats his beliefs." As a teacher he has no right to spread the disease that are his beliefs


    Umm, yes he does. Its called free speech. And its protected by the constitution.


    As a public servant his free speech is limited. When you make a facebook comment, when you hold a public position like that, you have to imagine that you are saying it to the ENTIRE student body. Imagine what some gay kids would feel like if he said that? Imagine how hurt they would be?

    As a teacher, and an adult, he needs to make smarter decisions than that and put the interests of his students above the interests of his religion and self. Its common sense, not rocket science here people.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Dallasfan824 saidHE should keep his job. We have rights in this country. He has a right to say what he wants on Facebook.



    I agree, though the teacher was sure guilty of some really bad judgement. I think it's a dangerous slope when people start getting fired, suspended, whatever over things they say in public -- even on a public message board.


    While I agree that it is a dangerous slope, people need to think before they type. This isnt the first time this has happened, so he shouldnt be shocked. My god people, facebook is not for your political views!
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    DrobUA saidI love how the excuse is, "Well he's very christian and thats his beliefs." As a teacher he has no right to spread the disease that are his beliefs


    Umm, yes he does. Its called free speech. And its protected by the constitution.


    But, as a teacher, he has the responsibility to teach information to students, NOT to encourage his personal beliefs in a classroom, or on a FaceBook page that he gives his students access to.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:06 PM GMT
    Ravco saidMissouri (the regressive state in the middle of the US that I live in) just passed a law forbidding teachers from even being FB friends with students. I've mixed feelings about this because while I think it could be beneficial in insulating students from the idiocy that some of their educators engage in, it's also an infringement on the teacher's first amendment rights.


    It is not an infringement on the teacher's first amendment rights. They are free to say what they want, they just might not have a job after doing it. Your employer does not have to recognize that right and can fire you for what you say. It happens all the time. If you are working at Home Depot, you still have a right, as far as the government is concerned, to tell a customer "You can get a better deal on this lawn mower at Lowe's." The government is not going to come along and throw you in jail for it, but your job at Home Depot is probably in jeopardy. Even off work if you post on fb that Home Depot is an awful place to work or that your manager is an asshole, you could be at risk of losing your job.



    It is sad that a state even needs to make this law, as it seems it would just be common sense for a teacher to not be fb friends with their non-adult students.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    It is sad that a state even needs to make this law, as it seems it would just be common sense for a teacher to not be fb friends with their non-adult students.



    It's even more sad in this era of multiple teen suicides of young people grappling with their sexuality that a school teacher would be so insensitive and clueless that his words could have consequences to students who look up to him.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink said
    It is sad that a state even needs to make this law, as it seems it would just be common sense for a teacher to not be fb friends with their non-adult students.



    It's even more sad in this era of multiple teen suicides of young people grappling with their sexuality that a school teacher would be so insensitive and clueless that his words could have consequences to students who look up to him.


    THIS! This is the reason why the idiot was fired!
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    Chainers saidTHIS! This is the reason why the idiot was fired!

    HAS the idiot been fired? I haven't seen that. And guys here are defending his right to post that stuff on his FB, however they try to rationalize it. Imagine how he's being defended in Republican Florida. Nah, this guy'll get a slap on the wrist. He is a Christian, after all, and free to say anything anti-gay he likes in this State. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:25 PM GMT
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    Chainers saidTHIS! This is the reason why the idiot was fired!

    HAS the idiot been fired? I haven't seen that. And guys here are defending his right to post that stuff on his FB, however they try to rationalize it. Imagine how he's being defended in Florida. Nah, this guy'll get a slap on the wrist. He is a Christian, after all, and free to say anything anti-gay he likes. icon_razz.gif


    Your right, he has just been suspended. The douche should be fired.
  • Latenight30

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    Aug 18, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    Again employers have to spell things out in the handbook.
    I work from 8:30am to 5:30pm. Away from that, off property, away from customers, I'm a free man. This isn't the company store.
    Do I agree with him... NO. Do I think he has the same right to post it as to say it in public. Yes.
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    Aug 18, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
    Latenight30 saidAgain employers have to spell things out in the handbook.
    I work from 8:30am to 5:30pm. Away from that, off property, away from customers, I'm a free man. This isn't the company store.
    Do I agree with him... NO. Do I think he has the same right to post it as to say it in public. Yes.


    Again, Employee do I have to spell things out for you?

    Your employment is AT WILL, as in AS LONG AS THE EMPLOYER WANTS YOU. If you get caught shooting up heroin and are a manager of the store, and the store deems that you now make them LOOK BAD even if it is on your OWN TIME can they fire you? YOU BET YOUR FUCKING ASS THEY WILL!

    Its not rocket science here, its just life guys.