Jon Stewart on Class Warfare

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    Aug 19, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidClass warfare is stupid.

    It's a classic political tool - turn one segment of the population against the other - in order to exert political control over those weak-minded individuals, who far outnumber the actually intelligent individuals.

    -Saul Alinsky - "Rules for Radicals"


    And Fox news is attempting to do just that.

    Now go to the other thread and explain your earlier comments.
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    Aug 20, 2011 4:19 AM GMT
    Class warfare was started by non other than Ronnie Reagan back in the 80's, with his redistribution of wealth Ideas, came the Trickle down lie/Theory, which is exactly why we have such a disparity between the have's and the have nots now in 2011.

    This wealthy class of Reagans didn't like the idea of the Unions helping everyday working 'fucks' having a liveing wage and sending their kids to college as it was in the 1960's. Hell no !!! That money should be kept by the corps and the rich, because they know how to use their money and they are the job creators, they can do magical things with money and invest in their businesses, and hire people to make things even when there aren't the oders for those things. Just ask Fox news, they'll tell you who the job creators and business investors are. LOL.

    And whats with those socialist libs and their minimum wage for Christs sake, Bachman tells FOX NEWS that we'd be better off without the minimum wage laws and then those rich and corps, the 'job creators' who will no longer be punished by socialist minimum wage laws, can hire twice as many people. THEN WALLA !!!! No more unemployment problems according to Bachmann and FOX NEWS. LOL !!! PROBLEM SOLVED !!!

    So this wealth redistribution came to a head with Bush giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans/The Job Creators and BY GOD WHERE THE HELL ARE THE JOBS !!! LOL !!! please excuse that midwestern straight forwardness.


    NOW WHO IS IT AT THE HELM OF THIS CLASS WARFARE ?
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    Aug 20, 2011 7:51 AM GMT
    I'd laugh but its terrible to think that so many people can be so heartless toward the poor.

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    Aug 20, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    realifedad said Class warfare was started by non other than Ronnie Reagan back in the 80's,


    It's been around earlier than Reagan. See Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."





    Class warfare by Saul Alinsky my foot ! How many out of the 90% US population even knew his name or read his book ? maybe .01%, that is not class warfare, the general public pays no attention to this stuff, they just float along paying the bills, and that is why the Reagans Class Warfare got away with creating and moving policies into legislation and policies that acually have redistributed the wealth of the nation to the few in the top 10% or fewer. The 90% were not paying attention and bought into the propaganda of the ruling class who packaged their policy changes to make them appear to benefit the masses, when they did the exact opposit.

    So where are the jobs from these policies that redistributed the national wealth upwards to the few ? we were told they were the job creators by this great trickle down economics lie for redistribution of wealth ? WHERE ARE THE JOBS ? SB you keep dodging this question and no republican or conservative seems to want to answer, WHERE ARE THE JOBS THOSE WEALTHY ARE SUPPOSED TO CREATE WHEN THEY KEEP MORE OF THEIR MONEY ? How about Riddler or SoCAL ? WHERE ARE THE JOBS ?

    LOL !!!!

    FACT, no god damn rich person or corporation is idiot enough to invest in his business to make more 'stuff' or to provide more services when there are no orders or demand for that 'stuff' or those services.

    CONSERVATIVES WAKE THE HELL UP, you keep up with the policies that keep strangling the money out of the masses hands to put it in the hands of the wealthy few (the job creators- lol) and you will not see increases in demand for anything ! WHY IN HELL IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ?

    If the masses have no money to spend, then the economy will remain stagnant, the wealthy few don't have the numbers in population to keep the economy moving. Besides that, the wealthy few have everything they need so they won't be going out and buying more stuff.

    The masses however have a great deal of need for stuff they don't have, but need and want, but they have no money to spend on any of it.

    So shall we continue to strangle the money out of the hands of the masses by austerity policies ending the safety net programs, coupled by ever lower taxes to the wealthy few ? It hasn't worked since Bush's Tax cuts for the most Wealthy to creat jobs has it ?

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS FROM THESE INCREASINGLY MORE WEALTHY JOB CREATORS ?

    LOL !!

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    realifedad saidClass warfare by Saul Alinsky my foot ! How many out of the 90% US population even knew his name or read his book ? maybe .01%, that is not class warfare, the general public pays no attention to this stuff, they just float along paying the bills,


    But that's the point. In order for this to work, the general public needs to be unaware that they are being pitted against each other by their political leaders.




    realifedad said WHERE ARE THE JOBS ? SB you keep dodging this question and no republican or conservative seems to want to answer, WHERE ARE THE JOBS THOSE WEALTHY ARE SUPPOSED TO CREATE WHEN THEY KEEP MORE OF THEIR MONEY ? How about Riddler or SoCAL ? WHERE ARE THE JOBS ?



    I've answered that question several times already here on RJ, but I'll do it again.

    The jobs will come back as soon as the Obama administration has been ended.


    Please... Saul Alinsky. icon_lol.gif I'm pretty far left for an American and I've never read any of his books. Now that Glenn Beck is off the air where will SB get his conspiracy theories.

    In terms of jobs, there will be growth when the middle and working classes have enough money to create demand. Not before.
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    southbeach1500 said
    realifedad saidClass warfare by Saul Alinsky my foot ! How many out of the 90% US population even knew his name or read his book ? maybe .01%, that is not class warfare, the general public pays no attention to this stuff, they just float along paying the bills,


    But that's the point. In order for this to work, the general public needs to be unaware that they are being pitted against each other by their political leaders.




    realifedad said WHERE ARE THE JOBS ? SB you keep dodging this question and no republican or conservative seems to want to answer, WHERE ARE THE JOBS THOSE WEALTHY ARE SUPPOSED TO CREATE WHEN THEY KEEP MORE OF THEIR MONEY ? How about Riddler or SoCAL ? WHERE ARE THE JOBS ?



    I've answered that question several times already here on RJ, but I'll do it again.

    The jobs will come back as soon as the Obama administration has been ended.


    Please... Saul Alinsky. icon_lol.gif I'm pretty far left for an American and I've never read any of his books. Now that Glenn Beck is off the air where will SB get his conspiracy theories.

    In terms of jobs, there will be growth when the middle and working classes have enough money to create demand. Not before.





    And Why Christian, is it so damn hard for repub conservatives to see this? its as if they they think there's some magic wand about giving more consessions to their "RICH JOB CREATORS" as if they'll start expanding their businesses and hiring more people to make more stuff regardless of the non existent demand coming from the middle and working classes. But none of them here on RJ will answer WHERE ARE THE JOBS FROM THOSE TAX CUTS that exacerbated our US debt problems?
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    realifedad saidBut none of them here on RJ will answer WHERE ARE THE JOBS FROM THOSE TAX CUTS that exacerbated our US debt problems?



    Those tax cuts "saved or created" tens of millions of jobs.

    Something to note: The economy didn't go off the cliff until the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007... coincidence? Nope!


    The tax cuts did nothing. When Bush left office we were losing 750,000 jobs per month.

    The economy didn't go off the cliff until the Republican policies of deregulation finally came home to roost. It was more than a year and a half after Democrats took back Congress, which was entirely coincidental not causative.

    "The U.S. Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported its findings in January 2011. It concluded that "the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: Widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve’s failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; Dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; An explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; Key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels."
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    http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/08/taxes_and_shared_sacrifice_its.html
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    realifedad saidBut none of them here on RJ will answer WHERE ARE THE JOBS FROM THOSE TAX CUTS that exacerbated our US debt problems?



    Those tax cuts "saved or created" tens of millions of jobs.

    Something to note: The economy didn't go off the cliff until the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007... coincidence? Nope!






    SB, you know good and well just as the rest of us do, that during bush's eight years he had the worst record of job creation for decades, he had about 6 years of his tax cuts to work toward helping those "JOB CREATORS" with their job creation, WHERE ARE THE JOBS THAT WERE CREATED FROM THOSE TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH?



    Come on SB, you know as well as we do that those tax breaks did not create jobs, Bush's jobs creation record got even worse during his las 6 years. So again, WHERE ARE THOSE JOBS FROM TAX BREAKS ? NON of you can answer that and keep avoiding the question.



    The actual record shows that Obama's first two years created more jobs than Bush's entire 8 years even though bush outspent Obama in creation of new government agencies (dept of homeland security for example) and increased war spending. Interesting facts eh ?
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    Aug 20, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
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    tazzari saidhttp://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/08/taxes_and_shared_sacrifice_its.html



    I'm ready for shared sacrifice.

    Half of all households either pay ZERO in Federal income tax or pay ZERO in Federal income tax AND receive money and welfare from the Federal government. Time for that 50% to pay a few bucks.


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    And about two thirds of those who pay no taxes are either underemployed or not employed, the balance are disabled or unable to work due to taking care of elderly or disabled family members for instance. But hell Conservatives, cut these peoples giveaways off, then by god they'll pay more taxes won't they !!! yessireeeee !!! thats how it works, take what little they have for a subsistance living, Then they'll certainly pay more taxes right ?? I see a hole in this theory. LOL !!!

    If they do happen to have some subsistance paying job, let em pay higher taxes, so the rich won't have to waste money on taxes when they could be using that money to expand, hire and make more stuff regardless of whether or not there is a demand for stuff. Yep !!! getting more out of those just barely getting by and they'll sure have more money to spend to increase orders and demand for goods and services won't they ? LOL God there's such a hole developing in this conservative theory, do you see that hole SB ?



    Well by all means conservatives, if we end all welfare, tax breaks for mortgage interest, get rid of the minimum wage, do away with college assistance and etc., there will be even less money for them to spend and even less demand for all those jobs the rich "JOB CREATORS" are supposed to be hiring for, even though there is no demand. you know those "Rich JOB CREATORS" keeping their tax money will according to Conservatives cause them to go out and invest and hire for making more stuff. JUST LIKE MAGIC, THEY'LL START MAKING MORE STUFF CAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT WITH, JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN RIGHT ?? LOL !! I see a hole developing in this theory don't you ?