Lyme disease & my dog.

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    Aug 20, 2011 12:57 PM GMT
    Ive never experienced this & it has scared the hell outta me. My pitbull all of the sudden 4 days ago couldnt get up & walk, would cry when he moved, wouldnt eat or go to the bathroom.

    It turned out from being bit by a tick & it totally incompasatated him, scared me to death. Hes on antibiotics now & this morning walking around for the 1st time in 5 days, im so happy.

    Just a note to beware to those who have animals that are outside sometimes.
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    Aug 20, 2011 1:43 PM GMT
    I am very glad for you that you can afford to treat him. icon_biggrin.gif My neighbour lost her rabbits to Lyme disease.

    When you have multiple animals, the cost can be prohibitive and you can so easily (and suddenly) find yourself losing your pet family members.


    Thanks for the reminder to be aware of the risk posed by ticks. My hopes are for a speedy recovery for your doggie. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 20, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    My friend's dog, a 9-year-old female black lab named Bonnie, died of Lyme disease recently. They caught it too late. Of course all dogs had Frontline protection, but you gotta watch them.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 20, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    Glad to hear your pooch is doing better now Brian!
  • nanidesukedo

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    Aug 20, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    Was the tick still on him? if so, it probably wasn't lyme disease and was probably tick paralysis...Lyme disease takes a long time to cause paralysis and, by the time the paralysis from lyme disease is generally caught, antibiotics don't help, which makes me think this is probably tick paralysis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_paralysis

    Actually saw this in a person once - fascinating how fast they turned around once the tick was removed.
  • IdkMyBffJill

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    Aug 20, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidWas the tick still on him? if so, it probably wasn't lyme disease and was probably tick paralysis...Lyme disease takes a long time to cause paralysis and, by the time the paralysis from lyme disease is generally caught, antibiotics don't help, which makes me think this is probably tick paralysis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_paralysis

    Actually saw this in a person once - fascinating how fast they turned around once the tick was removed.


    Ticks can cause numerous diseases in pets and people. The tick paralysis mentioned above is unrelated to Lyme disease but rather a neuro toxin that causes a flaccid paralysis most commonly.

    Lyme disease can cause a vasculitis leading to an abnormal fluid accumulation in the spinal cord (amongst a host of other non-neurologic problems) which can lead to paresis (weakness) or paralysis (no movement at all in the limbs) depending on the severity and location. These patients require an MRI, serum titers and comparative CSF titers to definitively diagnose... often the etiologic agent cannot be conclusively identified but the clinical signs may be suggestive enough to initiate therapy. These patients require intense care and physical therapy to regain function. The prognosis for regaining ambulation is variable depending on the extent of the disease and how quickly and intensely therapy is initiated. Maximal recovery can take several months in these patients.

    Best of luck.

    Nick

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    Aug 20, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    In 2 years ive only found a tick on him twice. The tick still wasnt there. All I know is it was from a tick bite & as soon as we started antibiotics within 8 hrs he could walk again. I was scared to death, my son was crying...it was horrible.

    Ive never had an animal look so pitiful & helpless. Im scared to death to put him outside now.
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    Aug 20, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    Glad to hear you're dog is recovering.

    I think I'm gonna go crawl into bed with mine.
    Then I'll see if I can teach them how to use the toilet so they never have to go outside. (:
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    Aug 20, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    redbull saidIve never had an animal look so pitiful & helpless. Im scared to death to put him outside now.

    Has the vet indicated there are any vaccines, once your dog is well again? Or tick repellants that are effective?
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    Aug 20, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    Yes, there is a vaccine for Lyme disease in dogs.

    It is not considered a "core" vaccine in most areas but is typically given to high risk animals (hunting dogs, dogs living in areas with a high prevalence, etc). It is not a 100% effective vaccine and has some potential side effects but should be considered.
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    Aug 20, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidWas the tick still on him? if so, it probably wasn't lyme disease and was probably tick paralysis...Lyme disease takes a long time to cause paralysis and, by the time the paralysis from lyme disease is generally caught, antibiotics don't help, which makes me think this is probably tick paralysis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_paralysis

    Actually saw this in a person once - fascinating how fast they turned around once the tick was removed.


    Wasn't there a House episode where this happened too? Didn't know it could really happen.
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    Aug 20, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    Brownale said
    nanidesukedo saidWas the tick still on him? if so, it probably wasn't lyme disease and was probably tick paralysis...Lyme disease takes a long time to cause paralysis and, by the time the paralysis from lyme disease is generally caught, antibiotics don't help, which makes me think this is probably tick paralysis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_paralysis

    Actually saw this in a person once - fascinating how fast they turned around once the tick was removed.


    Wasn't there a House episode where this happened too? Didn't know it could really happen.


    Not really sure if it was a house episode. A patient came in with an ascending flaccid paralysis and we were all convinced that she had a severe case of guillian-barre. During the history, she denied any recent infections or illnesses but did note that she had just gotten back from a week long hiking/camping trip. Sure enough, she had a tick underneath buttocks...removed that, and within 24 hours, she was getting sensation back.
  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 20, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    One summer, I came back home from Boy Scout camp and found SIX! ticks on my body!!!!! icon_eek.gif


    They are absolutely disgusting!
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    Aug 20, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    coolarmydude saidOne summer, I came back home from Boy Scout camp and found SIX! ticks on my body!!!!! icon_eek.gif

    They are absolutely disgusting!
    How the hell did you not notice them before leaving? Did they not have shower stalls there?


    No, I showered and never had them. I think I got all of them on the last day I was there. I was doing the tick check in the bath when I got home and that's when I discovered them. I was nearly beside myself because I had checked all week and didn't have any. Then all of a sudden, six MFs. None of them were bloated.

    And on top of that, we crushed the heads of sulphur-contained matchsticks and put them in our socks.
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    Aug 20, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    Nice to hear he is doing better.

    Sounds like a extra treats are due.

    Keep us updated.

  • Aug 20, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidOne summer, I came back home from Boy Scout camp and found SIX! ticks on my body!!!!! icon_eek.gif


    They are absolutely disgusting!


    If I could have a day in the field with ONLY 6 ticks, I'd be having a good day. There are times in the summer when I am doing surveys here in parts of NC that I regularly pull off 100 ticks (usually 10-12 of which have started to attach).

    Sorry to hear about the dog, but glad it's feeling better. Lyme Disease can be a real issue, for people and pets.
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    Aug 20, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    IdkMyBffJill saidYes, there is a vaccine for Lyme disease in dogs.

    It is not considered a "core" vaccine in most areas but is typically given to high risk animals (hunting dogs, dogs living in areas with a high prevalence, etc). It is not a 100% effective vaccine and has some potentially side effects but should be considered.


    You seem to know quite a bit, Are you a DVM?
    Do products like Frontline, which my dog is on, not prevent things like this from occurring? icon_confused.gif

    Thanks,
    Tristan
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    Aug 20, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidNo, I showered and never had them.

    During Army field training in wooded areas it was common for us to check each other out for ticks when we returned to contonment and took showers. The medical personnel recommended it, since you can't see your own back, nor scalp and other body parts very well. It's also why we got buzz cuts in the summer, virtually bald.

    Some of those checks were very erotic, and you literally would spread your ass cheeks so the other guy could look. It really was necessary. Nobody ever promised me the Army would be refined & elegant. How I controlled my hard-on I'll never know.

    One time I noticed some ticks in my groin when I undressed back in my quarters. I could have removed them myself, but I wanted documentation in my medical record in case I did contract something. So I redressed and went to the Troop Medical Clinic (TMC).

    There I was told they only had female enlisted medics on duty and no doctors. Would I mind a female examining me? I think my being a Major put them on best behavior, because I wonder if a male Private soldier would have been treated with such delicacy.

    So I said OK, let's get this over with, and the ticks removed ASAP. Then I was told a female could not be in the treatment room with me alone, another medic had to be present. Except that meant another female.

    I see: it's wrong for 1 woman to look at my dick & balls, but it's OK if 2 do it together??? That sure aided MY dignity!

    So I pulled my balls to one side to make my groin accessible. And then she took the biggest pair of tweezers I've ever seen, they were like chopsticks, to yank those suckers off me and apply some antiseptic. But at least I got it all recorded on paper, which went into my medical record.

    But I never did contract anything, and that was 24 years ago. And I'm still a fanatic about checking for ticks whenever I've been in the woods or bush.
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    Aug 21, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    musclefetish1 said
    IdkMyBffJill saidYes, there is a vaccine for Lyme disease in dogs.

    It is not considered a "core" vaccine in most areas but is typically given to high risk animals (hunting dogs, dogs living in areas with a high prevalence, etc). It is not a 100% effective vaccine and has some potentially side effects but should be considered.


    You seem to know quite a bit, Are you a DVM?
    Do products like Frontline, which my dog is on, not prevent things like this from occurring? icon_confused.gif

    Thanks,
    Tristan


    Yes, I am. I practice only vet neurology & neurosurgery -- thus why I chimmed in regarding the neurologic aspect of lyme disease.

    Monthly tick products certainly help, however they are not 100%. Most of the products require the tick to actually bite the dog before the tick is killed. During that "bite" the patient may become exposed. You can see, it's not a perfect situation.

    Also, we have been seeing resistance to Frontline -- at least here in the south.
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    Aug 21, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
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